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From Rosie DiManno in today's paper. For people who don't want to read the whole thing, she's basically saying that Oct.7 was stupid. But she says it in a much better way.

In June, the terrorist group Jemaah Islamiyah announced it was disbanding, laying down arms, renouncing violence and removing extremist teachings from madrassas.
An operationally independent ally of al-Qaida, JI had for decades fought to establish a radically pure Islamic state inside Indonesia, which is 87 per cent Muslim but constitutionally secular. The group also promised to turn over to the government names of its military wing members. It was a full-bore capitulation.
Leaders claimed the abrupt about-face pivoted on an intention to pursue its moderated goals by co-operating with the government and shifting its interpretation of jihad to peaceful proselytization — “jihad through words.’’

But it was fundamentally a pragmatic decision. Indonesia’s aggressive counterterrorism operations over the past five years had largely wiped out JI leadership via arrests and military targeting, leaving them with no room to manoeuvre, recruit and launch attacks.

If Jemaah Islamiyah doesn’t ring a bell, think Bali. JI was responsible for the 2002 terrorist attack on the tourist hotspot island that killed 202 people of 20 nationalities.
Leaving aside the U.S.-led defeat of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria in 2014, the most dramatic and life-altering vanquishing of a terrorist entity was the crushing of the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka. The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, which had sought to overthrow the Sri Lankan government and create autonomy in Tamil Areas, were formally defeated in 2009 after a brutal 26-year military campaign that ended in ashes and upwards of 80,000 to 100,000 deaths, as estimated by the UN. By then the LTTE’s top military hierarchy had been decapitated, its founder dead with no successor evident, its theatre of combat reduced to a sliver surrounded by army troops. The entire construct collapsed, as the government rejected an offer to surrender.

It is a fallacy that ideas can’t be defeated. Received wisdom has it that unless root causes are addressed, no conflict can be resolved. The same sophistry which asserts that Israel can’t conquer Hamas even if it annihilates the internationally designated terrorist entity militarily. Of course it can, if its ruthless bombardment continues unchecked in the face of global condemnation, arrest warrants from the International Criminal Court and worldwide protests that have done nothing to advance Palestinian aspirations for a sovereign state.

Hezbollah has just come crawling to a ceasefire agreement with Israel. While still a force that outmuscles the Lebanon state, its ballyhooed status as most powerful non-state actor in the world — a formidable militia — has been stripped away in the aftermath of Israel’s targeted campaign against the leadership, deep intelligence infiltration that resulted in exploding pagers and walkie-talkies which left thousands of Hezbollah members maimed, blinded and killed, assassination taking its top-most leaders off the board, and then their replacements, followed by a full-scale invasion of southern Lebanon.
The myth of Hezbollah dominance has been shattered. It has been, at least in its 13-month war with Israel — in solidarity with Hamas following the Oct. 7, 2023 atrocity — defeated. The regional alliance of militias, funded and buttressed by terrorism-exporting Iran, has been proven a chimera. Iran can’t come to the rescue of any of its proxy states because Iran itself has been having a very bad, horrible year — its barrage of 300 missiles and drones against Israel on Oct. 1 ineffective and humbling, undermining the credibility of Iran’s axis of resistance, and upending regional dynamics.

As of Sept. 23, Israel had unleashed 8,000 separate attacks on Hezbollah in the previous three weeks, as tabulated by the American University in Beirut.
All of it together is what brought Hezbollah to the ceasefire.
Some are lauding the ceasefire as a rare win for diplomacy in the Middle East. But it would never have happened if Hezbollah hadn’t been shaken to its combat boots, just as every overwhelmed and fractured warmongering side has only come to the negotiating table when its very existence came face to face with extinction.

All of which leaves Hamas isolated and clinging by its fingernails — 20 of its 24 battalions dismantled, according to the IDF, an estimated 18,000 of its fighters dead, and much of its vast tunnel network destroyed, Gaza reduced to a lawless, chaotic mess, with 44,000 Palestinians dead (Gaza Health Ministry figures, which don’t distinguish between fighters and civilians), hundreds of thousands displaced and Yahya Sinwar burning in hell.

That war grinds on, Hamas’s violent ideology still intact but its sphere of potency shrunken and its raison d’être delegitimized. A negotiated two-state solution has never felt more distant. The horror unfolded exactly as Sinwar had envisioned.

What a catastrophic misreckoning.
 

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From Rosie DiManno in today's paper. For people who don't want to read the whole thing, she's basically saying that Oct.7 was stupid. But she says it in a much better way.

In June, the terrorist group Jemaah Islamiyah announced it was disbanding, laying down arms, renouncing violence and removing extremist teachings from madrassas.
An operationally independent ally of al-Qaida, JI had for decades fought to establish a radically pure Islamic state inside Indonesia, which is 87 per cent Muslim but constitutionally secular. The group also promised to turn over to the government names of its military wing members. It was a full-bore capitulation.
Leaders claimed the abrupt about-face pivoted on an intention to pursue its moderated goals by co-operating with the government and shifting its interpretation of jihad to peaceful proselytization — “jihad through words.’’

But it was fundamentally a pragmatic decision. Indonesia’s aggressive counterterrorism operations over the past five years had largely wiped out JI leadership via arrests and military targeting, leaving them with no room to manoeuvre, recruit and launch attacks.

If Jemaah Islamiyah doesn’t ring a bell, think Bali. JI was responsible for the 2002 terrorist attack on the tourist hotspot island that killed 202 people of 20 nationalities.
Leaving aside the U.S.-led defeat of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria in 2014, the most dramatic and life-altering vanquishing of a terrorist entity was the crushing of the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka. The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, which had sought to overthrow the Sri Lankan government and create autonomy in Tamil Areas, were formally defeated in 2009 after a brutal 26-year military campaign that ended in ashes and upwards of 80,000 to 100,000 deaths, as estimated by the UN. By then the LTTE’s top military hierarchy had been decapitated, its founder dead with no successor evident, its theatre of combat reduced to a sliver surrounded by army troops. The entire construct collapsed, as the government rejected an offer to surrender.

It is a fallacy that ideas can’t be defeated. Received wisdom has it that unless root causes are addressed, no conflict can be resolved. The same sophistry which asserts that Israel can’t conquer Hamas even if it annihilates the internationally designated terrorist entity militarily. Of course it can, if its ruthless bombardment continues unchecked in the face of global condemnation, arrest warrants from the International Criminal Court and worldwide protests that have done nothing to advance Palestinian aspirations for a sovereign state.

Hezbollah has just come crawling to a ceasefire agreement with Israel. While still a force that outmuscles the Lebanon state, its ballyhooed status as most powerful non-state actor in the world — a formidable militia — has been stripped away in the aftermath of Israel’s targeted campaign against the leadership, deep intelligence infiltration that resulted in exploding pagers and walkie-talkies which left thousands of Hezbollah members maimed, blinded and killed, assassination taking its top-most leaders off the board, and then their replacements, followed by a full-scale invasion of southern Lebanon.
The myth of Hezbollah dominance has been shattered. It has been, at least in its 13-month war with Israel — in solidarity with Hamas following the Oct. 7, 2023 atrocity — defeated. The regional alliance of militias, funded and buttressed by terrorism-exporting Iran, has been proven a chimera. Iran can’t come to the rescue of any of its proxy states because Iran itself has been having a very bad, horrible year — its barrage of 300 missiles and drones against Israel on Oct. 1 ineffective and humbling, undermining the credibility of Iran’s axis of resistance, and upending regional dynamics.

As of Sept. 23, Israel had unleashed 8,000 separate attacks on Hezbollah in the previous three weeks, as tabulated by the American University in Beirut.
All of it together is what brought Hezbollah to the ceasefire.
Some are lauding the ceasefire as a rare win for diplomacy in the Middle East. But it would never have happened if Hezbollah hadn’t been shaken to its combat boots, just as every overwhelmed and fractured warmongering side has only come to the negotiating table when its very existence came face to face with extinction.

All of which leaves Hamas isolated and clinging by its fingernails — 20 of its 24 battalions dismantled, according to the IDF, an estimated 18,000 of its fighters dead, and much of its vast tunnel network destroyed, Gaza reduced to a lawless, chaotic mess, with 44,000 Palestinians dead (Gaza Health Ministry figures, which don’t distinguish between fighters and civilians), hundreds of thousands displaced and Yahya Sinwar burning in hell.

That war grinds on, Hamas’s violent ideology still intact but its sphere of potency shrunken and its raison d’être delegitimized. A negotiated two-state solution has never felt more distant. The horror unfolded exactly as Sinwar had envisioned.

What a catastrophic misreckoning.
Good article, I like Rosie she's not afraid of telling the truth. Hamas surely miscalculate and got fucked really good. Hamas will have all their civilians killed before they give up something that hasn't worked for years.
 
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From Rosie DiManno in today's paper. For people who don't want to read the whole thing, she's basically saying that Oct.7 was stupid. But she says it in a much better way.

In June, the terrorist group Jemaah Islamiyah announced it was disbanding, laying down arms, renouncing violence and removing extremist teachings from madrassas.
An operationally independent ally of al-Qaida, JI had for decades fought to establish a radically pure Islamic state inside Indonesia, which is 87 per cent Muslim but constitutionally secular. The group also promised to turn over to the government names of its military wing members. It was a full-bore capitulation.
Leaders claimed the abrupt about-face pivoted on an intention to pursue its moderated goals by co-operating with the government and shifting its interpretation of jihad to peaceful proselytization — “jihad through words.’’

But it was fundamentally a pragmatic decision. Indonesia’s aggressive counterterrorism operations over the past five years had largely wiped out JI leadership via arrests and military targeting, leaving them with no room to manoeuvre, recruit and launch attacks.

If Jemaah Islamiyah doesn’t ring a bell, think Bali. JI was responsible for the 2002 terrorist attack on the tourist hotspot island that killed 202 people of 20 nationalities.
Leaving aside the U.S.-led defeat of the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria in 2014, the most dramatic and life-altering vanquishing of a terrorist entity was the crushing of the Tamil Tigers in Sri Lanka. The Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam, which had sought to overthrow the Sri Lankan government and create autonomy in Tamil Areas, were formally defeated in 2009 after a brutal 26-year military campaign that ended in ashes and upwards of 80,000 to 100,000 deaths, as estimated by the UN. By then the LTTE’s top military hierarchy had been decapitated, its founder dead with no successor evident, its theatre of combat reduced to a sliver surrounded by army troops. The entire construct collapsed, as the government rejected an offer to surrender.

It is a fallacy that ideas can’t be defeated. Received wisdom has it that unless root causes are addressed, no conflict can be resolved. The same sophistry which asserts that Israel can’t conquer Hamas even if it annihilates the internationally designated terrorist entity militarily. Of course it can, if its ruthless bombardment continues unchecked in the face of global condemnation, arrest warrants from the International Criminal Court and worldwide protests that have done nothing to advance Palestinian aspirations for a sovereign state.

Hezbollah has just come crawling to a ceasefire agreement with Israel. While still a force that outmuscles the Lebanon state, its ballyhooed status as most powerful non-state actor in the world — a formidable militia — has been stripped away in the aftermath of Israel’s targeted campaign against the leadership, deep intelligence infiltration that resulted in exploding pagers and walkie-talkies which left thousands of Hezbollah members maimed, blinded and killed, assassination taking its top-most leaders off the board, and then their replacements, followed by a full-scale invasion of southern Lebanon.
The myth of Hezbollah dominance has been shattered. It has been, at least in its 13-month war with Israel — in solidarity with Hamas following the Oct. 7, 2023 atrocity — defeated. The regional alliance of militias, funded and buttressed by terrorism-exporting Iran, has been proven a chimera. Iran can’t come to the rescue of any of its proxy states because Iran itself has been having a very bad, horrible year — its barrage of 300 missiles and drones against Israel on Oct. 1 ineffective and humbling, undermining the credibility of Iran’s axis of resistance, and upending regional dynamics.

As of Sept. 23, Israel had unleashed 8,000 separate attacks on Hezbollah in the previous three weeks, as tabulated by the American University in Beirut.
All of it together is what brought Hezbollah to the ceasefire.
Some are lauding the ceasefire as a rare win for diplomacy in the Middle East. But it would never have happened if Hezbollah hadn’t been shaken to its combat boots, just as every overwhelmed and fractured warmongering side has only come to the negotiating table when its very existence came face to face with extinction.

All of which leaves Hamas isolated and clinging by its fingernails — 20 of its 24 battalions dismantled, according to the IDF, an estimated 18,000 of its fighters dead, and much of its vast tunnel network destroyed, Gaza reduced to a lawless, chaotic mess, with 44,000 Palestinians dead (Gaza Health Ministry figures, which don’t distinguish between fighters and civilians), hundreds of thousands displaced and Yahya Sinwar burning in hell.

That war grinds on, Hamas’s violent ideology still intact but its sphere of potency shrunken and its raison d’être delegitimized. A negotiated two-state solution has never felt more distant. The horror unfolded exactly as Sinwar had envisioned.

What a catastrophic misreckoning.
Israel is being isolated, without US protection they will end up like North Korea.
 

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Good article, I like Rosie she's not afraid of telling the truth. Hamas surely miscalculate and got fucked really good. Hamas will have all their civilians killed before they give up something that hasn't worked for years.
And she covers sports as well. What's not to like about Rosie?
 

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Israel is being isolated, without US protection they will end up like North Korea.
She said the same thing that I've been saying. World condemnation, protests, ICC, ICJ etc. but Israel continues to advance its' campaign to wipe out Hamas, completely unimpeded. You are in denial Geno. I've told you that talk is cheap. She just used different words. But the vitriol and mistruths that accompany your words make them even cheaper. You've accomplished nothing other turn people against your cause and make yourself a TERB laughingstock.

Unlike Hezbollah and Hamas, Israel and the US have been and continue to be true allies. They unwaveringly serve each other's purposes unlike the turncoat Hezbollah did to Hamas by bending their collective knee to a ceasefire which leaves Hamas isolated and surrounded by the IDF. Out of an initial 24 battalions, Hamas has 4 left.
As such, regardless of who is prez and which parties control the Senate and the House the US will continue to support Israel. That is reality, Geno. Call for Hamas to surrender. They have zero chance of winning.

BTW, seeing as you always (insincerely) call for ceasefire, you must be elated with Hezbollah's decision. I don't think we've heard what your position is on Hezbollah's strategy of taking the ceasefire, moving 30 miles further from Israel, letting the Lebanese military police the area and how it isolates Hamas. What is your opinion?
 

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She said the same thing that I've been saying. World condemnation, protests, ICC, ICJ etc. but Israel continues to advance its' campaign to wipe out Hamas, completely unimpeded. You are in denial Geno. I've told you that talk is cheap. She just used different words. But the vitriol and mistruths that accompany your words make them even cheaper. You've accomplished nothing other turn people against your cause and make yourself a TERB laughingstock.

Unlike Hezbollah and Hamas, Israel and the US have been and continue to be true allies. They unwaveringly serve each other's purposes unlike the turncoat Hezbollah did to Hamas by bending their collective knee to a ceasefire which leaves Hamas isolated and surrounded by the IDF. Out of an initial 24 battalions, Hamas has 4 left.
As such, regardless of who is prez and which parties control the Senate and the House the US will continue to support Israel. That is reality, Geno. Call for Hamas to surrender. They have zero chance of winning.

BTW, seeing as you always (insincerely) call for ceasefire, you must be elated with Hezbollah's decision. I don't think we've heard what your position is on Hezbollah's strategy of taking the ceasefire, moving 30 miles further from Israel, letting the Lebanese military police the area and how it isolates Hamas. What is your opinion?
Without the US, Israel would be isolated like North Korea.
Now Israel has bet everything on rump saving them from global pariah status.

 

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Israel is being isolated, without US protection they will end up like North Korea.
 

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This post may prove that you support genocide.
 

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Without the US, Israel would be isolated like North Korea.
Now Israel has bet everything on rump saving them from global pariah status.
Again

You respond to people with stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with what they are saying.

Habs Fan" Sadly Montreal again has no chance of winning the Cup this year
Frankfooter: The Arctic is very cold in winter.

Except your comments are nowhere near as accurate.

Again is it that you can't read/understand or you don't actually care what people post, you just use it as your cue to go on with your nonsense.

Speaking of nonsense

Germany: Chancellor Olaf Scholz said he was deeply shocked by the "terrifying news" of "rocket fire from Gaza and the escalating violence". He also said that Germany condemned Hamas' attack and would stand by Israel."[278][114] Germany suspended €125 million ($131 million) of development aid to Palestine in response to Hamas' attack and said it would review other projects and aid given.[279] Scholz offered military aid to Israel.[280] Scholz later announced his opposition to an "immediate ceasefire" in Gaza, saying "that would mean ultimately that Israel leaves Hamas the possibility of recovering and obtaining new missiles," and called instead for "humanitarian pauses".[281] On 17 December, Minister for Foreign Affairs Annalena Baerbock said she would "support a ceasefire, but only if it is sustainable".[282] President Frank-Walter Steinmeier called on Arabs living in Germany to distance themselves from Hamas

Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis strongly condemned the terrorist attack against Israel, that caused a high number of casualties among civilians. He also expressed his full support for the people of Israel and its right to self-defense.[284][better source needed] Migration minister Dimitris Keridis expressed his concerns of a resurgence in illegal immigrants to southern Europe, saying that the attack would "not ease illegal migration"

Prime Minister Petr Fiala condemned the attack, stating his thoughts were "with the innocent victims of the violence" and wishing "our friends in Israel the swiftest possible handling of the situation and the fulfilment of their ambitions to live in peace and security."[262][263] Fiala participated in pro-Israel demonstrations in Prague and called the country "the voice of Israel in Europe."[264] Czech Defense Minister Jana Černochová, in response to the ceasefire resolution, called for the Czech Republic to withdraw from the UN

Italy: Foreign Minister Antonio Tajani said the government condemned in the strongest terms the attacks on Israel; saying that "people's lives, the security of the region and the resumption of any political process are at risk." He also urged Hamas to "immediately stop this barbaric violence" and said that Italy supports "Israel's right to exist and defend itself".[298][better source needed] The Prime Minister's office released a statement saying that the government was "closely following the brutal attack taking place in Israel" and condemned "in the strongest terms the ongoing terror and violence against innocent civilians" It also said it supported "Israel's right to defend itself

Latvia: President Edgars Rinkēvičs expressed his country's "unwavering support to Israel's legitimate right to defend itself against terrorists".[302] Foreign Minister Krišjānis Kariņš accused Hamas of using Palestinian civilians as human shields.[303]

Lithuania: President Gitanas Nausėda said that the country unequivocally condemned Hamas attacks against civilians in Israel and said the country fully supported "Israel in these terrible hours", and expressed "condolences to the families of the victims". He also said that "Israel has the right to defend itself."[304] The Seimas unanimously adopted a resolution condemning Hamas' attacks

Netherlands: Prime Minister Mark Rutte said he spoke with Prime Minister Netanyahu about the attack by Hamas on Israel and "told him that the Netherlands unequivocally condemns this terrorist violence and fully supports Israel's right to defend itself"
United Kingdom: Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said he was shocked by Hamas attacks against Israeli citizens. He added that "Israel has an absolute right to defend itself" and said UK officials were "in contact with Israeli authorities," and advised British nationals in Israel to "follow travel advice".[353] An illumination of the Israeli flag was projected onto the UK Prime Minister's residence at 10 Downing Street in London on 9 October.[354] A statement issued by Buckingham Palace said that King Charles III was "appalled" and condemned the "barbaric acts of terrorism in Israel" and that the King's "thoughts and prayers are with all of those suffering, particularly those who have lost loved ones, but also those actively involved as we speak".[355] On 11 October, Foreign Secretary James Cleverly arrived in Israel in a show in solidarity, during which he was seen running for cover following an air raid alert while he was visiting the town of Ofakim later in the day.[356] On 17 December, Foreign Secretary David Cameron backed a "sustainable ceasefire" differentiated from a "general and immediate ceasefire", called for more aid to reach Gaza, and called for the Israeli government to "do more to discriminate sufficiently between terrorists and civilians".[357] On 7 April 2024, Foreign Secretary David Cameron stated that U.K. support for Israel was not unconditional.[358]

I don't think pariah means what you think it means. I don't think North Korea means what you think it means.

Also they do have the US support and it will only grow stronger.. if you were correct about Hamas supporters giving the US to Trump [which nobody in the real world seems to agree with] that would ironically be because of the Moslem voters switching away from Harris. Not a good plan.

Even ignoring a partial list above. Lets see Hamas has a bunch of Islamic countries, African Dictatorships and Latin American failed states. Israel as a Hulk.


Let's play Hans Frankfooter bingo

Will he
1: Move the goal posts
2: Respond with something that does not at all address what I said
3: Call everyone Zionist [which even if true again doesn't nothing to address the fact that he is wrong.
4: Post more pictures of dead children who perhaps were in Gaza and murdered by the actions of Hamas thinking it proves anything other than Hamas being brutal cunts.
 

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This post may prove that you support genocide.
Kinda sounding like Oprah he does.
You support genocide. You support genocide. Everybody supports genocide

But dude, you support attack on civilians with the goal of a river to sea extermination of an entire people
Nah brah, that isn't genocide.
 

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Will he
1: Move the goal posts
2: Respond with something that does not at all address what I said
3: Call everyone Zionist [which even if true again doesn't nothing to address the fact that he is wrong.
4: Post more pictures of dead children who perhaps were in Gaza and murdered by the actions of Hamas thinking it proves anything other than Hamas being brutal cunts.
Now this is signature worthy...
 

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Kinda sounding like Oprah he does.
You support genocide. You support genocide. Everybody supports genocide

But dude, you support attack on civilians with the goal of a river to sea extermination of an entire people
Nah brah, that isn't genocide.
From the river to the sea is just an expression of peace and love 💕 it means that hamas and Israelis will live together in peace and happiness
 

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From the river to the sea is just an expression of peace and love 💕 it means that hamas and Israelis will live together in peace and happiness
How could I have missed that?

It's good that Geno is here so that we can lighten the mood by having our own human pinata.
 

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From the river to the sea is just an expression of peace and love 💕 it means that hamas and Israelis will live together in peace and happiness
Yeah I should cut it out with those negative waves man. I should dig how beautiful it is out here and say something righteous. Woof Woof
 

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Again

You respond to people with stuff that has absolutely nothing to do with what they are saying.

Habs Fan" Sadly Montreal again has no chance of winning the Cup this year
Frankfooter: The Arctic is very cold in winter.

Except your comments are nowhere near as accurate.

Again is it that you can't read/understand or you don't actually care what people post, you just use it as your cue to go on with your nonsense.

Speaking of nonsense

Germany: Chancellor Olaf Scholz said he was deeply shocked by the "terrifying news" of "rocket fire from Gaza and the escalating violence". He also said that Germany condemned Hamas' attack and would stand by Israel."[278][114] Germany suspended €125 million ($131 million) of development aid to Palestine in response to Hamas' attack and said it would review other projects and aid given.[279] Scholz offered military aid to Israel.[280] Scholz later announced his opposition to an "immediate ceasefire" in Gaza, saying "that would mean ultimately that Israel leaves Hamas the possibility of recovering and obtaining new missiles," and called instead for "humanitarian pauses".[281] On 17 December, Minister for Foreign Affairs Annalena Baerbock said she would "support a ceasefire, but only if it is sustainable".[282] President Frank-Walter Steinmeier called on Arabs living in Germany to distance themselves from Hamas

Prime Minister Kyriakos Mitsotakis strongly condemned the terrorist attack against Israel, that caused a high number of casualties among civilians. He also expressed his full support for the people of Israel and its right to self-defense.[284][better source needed] Migration minister Dimitris Keridis expressed his concerns of a resurgence in illegal immigrants to southern Europe, saying that the attack would "not ease illegal migration"

Prime Minister Petr Fiala condemned the attack, stating his thoughts were "with the innocent victims of the violence" and wishing "our friends in Israel the swiftest possible handling of the situation and the fulfilment of their ambitions to live in peace and security."[262][263] Fiala participated in pro-Israel demonstrations in Prague and called the country "the voice of Israel in Europe."[264] Czech Defense Minister Jana Černochová, in response to the ceasefire resolution, called for the Czech Republic to withdraw from the UN

Italy: Foreign Minister Antonio Tajani said the government condemned in the strongest terms the attacks on Israel; saying that "people's lives, the security of the region and the resumption of any political process are at risk." He also urged Hamas to "immediately stop this barbaric violence" and said that Italy supports "Israel's right to exist and defend itself".[298][better source needed] The Prime Minister's office released a statement saying that the government was "closely following the brutal attack taking place in Israel" and condemned "in the strongest terms the ongoing terror and violence against innocent civilians" It also said it supported "Israel's right to defend itself

Latvia: President Edgars Rinkēvičs expressed his country's "unwavering support to Israel's legitimate right to defend itself against terrorists".[302] Foreign Minister Krišjānis Kariņš accused Hamas of using Palestinian civilians as human shields.[303]

Lithuania: President Gitanas Nausėda said that the country unequivocally condemned Hamas attacks against civilians in Israel and said the country fully supported "Israel in these terrible hours", and expressed "condolences to the families of the victims". He also said that "Israel has the right to defend itself."[304] The Seimas unanimously adopted a resolution condemning Hamas' attacks

Netherlands: Prime Minister Mark Rutte said he spoke with Prime Minister Netanyahu about the attack by Hamas on Israel and "told him that the Netherlands unequivocally condemns this terrorist violence and fully supports Israel's right to defend itself"
United Kingdom: Prime Minister Rishi Sunak said he was shocked by Hamas attacks against Israeli citizens. He added that "Israel has an absolute right to defend itself" and said UK officials were "in contact with Israeli authorities," and advised British nationals in Israel to "follow travel advice".[353] An illumination of the Israeli flag was projected onto the UK Prime Minister's residence at 10 Downing Street in London on 9 October.[354] A statement issued by Buckingham Palace said that King Charles III was "appalled" and condemned the "barbaric acts of terrorism in Israel" and that the King's "thoughts and prayers are with all of those suffering, particularly those who have lost loved ones, but also those actively involved as we speak".[355] On 11 October, Foreign Secretary James Cleverly arrived in Israel in a show in solidarity, during which he was seen running for cover following an air raid alert while he was visiting the town of Ofakim later in the day.[356] On 17 December, Foreign Secretary David Cameron backed a "sustainable ceasefire" differentiated from a "general and immediate ceasefire", called for more aid to reach Gaza, and called for the Israeli government to "do more to discriminate sufficiently between terrorists and civilians".[357] On 7 April 2024, Foreign Secretary David Cameron stated that U.K. support for Israel was not unconditional.[358]

I don't think pariah means what you think it means. I don't think North Korea means what you think it means.

Also they do have the US support and it will only grow stronger.. if you were correct about Hamas supporters giving the US to Trump [which nobody in the real world seems to agree with] that would ironically be because of the Moslem voters switching away from Harris. Not a good plan.

Even ignoring a partial list above. Lets see Hamas has a bunch of Islamic countries, African Dictatorships and Latin American failed states. Israel as a Hulk.


Let's play Hans Frankfooter bingo

Will he
1: Move the goal posts
2: Respond with something that does not at all address what I said
3: Call everyone Zionist [which even if true again doesn't nothing to address the fact that he is wrong.
4: Post more pictures of dead children who perhaps were in Gaza and murdered by the actions of Hamas thinking it proves anything other than Hamas being brutal cunts.
You do like to live in the past. Its the same with your allegations of Hamas rape, which you ran away from once it was shown that you only post info from March and not the investigations since.

Now you're posting quotes from EU leaders from last year as if they are current.
Those words of support don't apply to war criminals.

 

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Good article, I like Rosie she's not afraid of telling the truth. Hamas surely miscalculate and got fucked really good. Hamas will have all their civilians killed before they give up something that hasn't worked for years.
Hamas will not fall from the hands of Israel, it will be from the hands of Palestinians..whoever is left in Gaza that represents Hamas will get the Gaddafi treatment...
 
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