Trump Says U.S. Will Impose Massive Tariffs On Mexico, Canada And China From Day 1

[Leimonis]

And here is a little more. I though you Liberals were educated and smart. You can't even do a little google search to avoid looking dumb.

Jamie Sarkonak: Trump is right that Trudeau needs to clean up the border

Fair or not, Canada faces a Trump government willing to economically waterboard us into a recession come January. We need to act accordingly

nationalpost.com

I am not a liberal although I like that you imply that conservatives are not educated and smart. And by the way here is what the NP article you referred to says:

When you zoom out, none of these harsh words from Trump are fair. Canada’s problems are real and growing, but at the scale of a sprouting dandelion. Mexico, on the other hand, is an oak tree. Whatever our faults, we certainly don’t deserve tariffs. And it’s not like the U.S. border has treated us well over the years, either: migrants, guns and drugs find their way northward as well, and you don’t see us threatening our neighbours for it.

 

[basketcase]

I wouldn't be surprised if people can change Trump's mind simply by just reminding him how "amazing" a free trade deal he negotiated with the USMCA.


p.s. Can't understand how anyone can think that massive tariffs will somehow help the US economy or think it won't cause massive inflation.

 

[the general]

I am not a liberal although I like that you imply that conservatives are not educated and smart. And by the way here is what the NP article you referred to says:

When you zoom out, none of these harsh words from Trump are fair. Canada’s problems are real and growing, but at the scale of a sprouting dandelion. Mexico, on the other hand, is an oak tree. Whatever our faults, we certainly don’t deserve tariffs. And it’s not like the U.S. border has treated us well over the years, either: migrants, guns and drugs find their way northward as well, and you don’t see us threatening our neighbours for it.

Certainly Trump is exaggerated the problem, but one exists, just not significant compared to the US/Mexico border. As to implying that conservatives are not educated and smart, there is nothing in what I said to imply that, other than Liberals aren't all that smart period, they just think they are.

 

[bver_hunter]

It is clearly a negotiating position, and has garnered Trudeau's attention, who already has gone groveling to his master. I suspect 25% won't be the final position, but it may not be 0 either.

Who is Trudeau's "Master"?

It is not just Canada, but also The EU and other G20 Nations that are just perplexed with these tariff threats!!
In the end, if fully implemented, then expect inflation to move into the wrong direction.
But remember that when the USMCA was being negotiated, Congress would not pass that Bill unless Canada was included.
Chrystia Freeland stood her ground!!
But I am expecting that not all Canadian goods will be subject to the tariffs if they are implemented.
No doubt that even if the tariffs are shrunk to small percentages, then expect Trump to boast about it to his usual base!!

 

[mandrill]

And Trump declares "victory" and folds his cards.....

 

[NotADcotor]

A thought just came up. Instead of trying to stop people from entering the country [which he knows he can't do short of East German or Best Korea methods] he wants Canada and Mexico to stop people from leaving their countries... like East Germany or Best Korea.

Not a good look.

 

[Leimonis]

And Trump declares "victory" and folds his cards.....

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I wonder what Claudia offered to stop US consumption. Maybe lacing all the coke with lethal doses of fentanyl?

 

[squeezer]

I wonder what Claudia offered to stop US consumption. Maybe lacing all the coke with lethal doses of fentanyl?

She should spike the Big Macs on his plane.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

And Trump declares "victory" and folds his cards.....

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Clown show! lmao.

 

[NotADcotor]

And Trump declares "victory" and folds his cards.....

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Wow if he believes she has the ability to make good on that promise he is a bigger mook than his followers.
If he doesn't believe it, grifter is gonna grift his cult.

 

[SchlongConery]

a reasonable counter
however if they left because of high energy cost, they will evaluate returning if energy costs are lowered. and sustainable
Trump wont crater the US economy and would spin an about face if his plan goes off the rails
Buying hat spin would be difficult for the electorate and his ego would be punished

IF energy costs go down? HOW do you think Trump or anyone is going to lower the price of electricity? Seriously.

Has the cost of engineering gone down? Has the cost of heavy construction gone down? Has the cost of labour to build new electrical plants gone down? Has anyone found a new river to build a new hydroelectric dam in the United States? Have the dotard 'muricans changed their attitude towards nuclear power being safe or clean? Do any States want to host nuclear power plants or host the storage of nuclear waste? Have ANY of the dozens of small, local modular factory-built nuclear micro plant startups done anything except raise and burn investor cash?

Will the cost of natural gas go down to fuel gas electrical generation plants?

Have actual, real world costs of generating electricity by wind turbines and solar even come close to that of existing, PAID FOR power plants? Whaddabout the materials science dead end we are at with lithium and other energy storage options like gravity water pumping etc?

None of this even includes the massive infrastructure upgrades that would have to be planned for, including expropriating land and creating easements for new transmission lines etc. FFS, Floribama, Loseranya, Texas still can't manage to have transmission systems durable enough to withstand the yearly hurricanes.

Are you hoping that the 'Stable Genius' Trump will discover some new physics or what exactly, or generally, do you think Trump or anyone will or can do to lower the cost of electricity in the United States? Not to mention to even think of catching up with CHYNAH who have been busy as beavers slapping up the biggest hydro dam on the planet, building coal powered plants faster than Toronto condo builders for the past decade.

And here you are saying "IF" Trump can lower energy costs then all will be peachy! I thought all you Trumpers mocked that Hopey attitude of Obamas? <wink>

Not so simple as he makes you beleive is it?

 

[SchlongConery]

Wow if he believes she has the ability to make good on that promise he is a bigger mook than his followers.
If he doesn't believe it, grifter is gonna grift his cult.

Yooooooooooo said it you little rascal!

 

[NotADcotor]

IF energy costs go down? HOW do you think Trump or anyone is going to lower the price of electricity? Seriously.
...

Trump fans are a bit like Chuck Norris fans or Bruce Lee fans

Only Chuck Norris fans know not to take his "facts" seriously.

 

[SchlongConery]

If Trump can not honor the USMCA he signed, what is the point of negotiating?

I am pretty sure the USMCA has a five year review process built in. That is coming up during his tenure.

 

[SchlongConery]

Trump fans are a bit like Chuck Norris fans or Bruce Lee fans

Only Chuck Norris fans know not to take his "facts" seriously.

 

[JohnLarue]

IF energy costs go down? HOW do you think Trump or anyone is going to lower the price of electricity? Seriously.

de-regulation
stop the green energy insanity

will he succeed ?
there are a lot of piggies with their snout in the green energy trough , so it will be an uphill battle

 

[JohnLarue]

I am pretty sure the USMCA has a five year review process built in. That is coming up during his tenure.

2026

we need to remove Trudeau from office well before then and give Pierre P some time to make tangible improvements on the boarder issue
it is time for Jagmeet Singh to pull the plug on Mr. Dress up

 

[SchlongConery]

a reasonable counter
however if they left because of high energy cost, they will evaluate returning if energy costs are lowered. and sustainable
Trump wont crater the US economy and would spin an about face if his plan goes off the rails
Buying hat spin would be difficult for the electorate and his ego would be punished

And the primary reason that the manufacturing was offshored was because China and Mexico pay 1/8th of the wages of a western employee. Never mind the additional employment overhead costs of US employers like the most expensive health care costs on the planet.

It wasn't because Mexico has cheap electricity that the automakers moved their operations there. Electricity costs are a factor in any manufacturing but not as much in the heavy industries like primary resource refining of say iron/steel, copper, aluminium etc.

As for Trump doing an about face if he craters the economy...by the time, and if, his bullshit bravado ever gets organized enough to put into action... he'll be out of office. You can't build a simple natural gas elelctrical generating station in less than five years even if you are shovel ready an have the approved engineered drawings, permits and contracts in place. And Trump, having been a builder before, knows how long it takes to build a simple skyscraper or hotel. He's full of shit and knows it. But he knows you guys will believe whatever he says.

 

[SchlongConery]

de-regulation
stop the green energy insanity

will he succeed ?
there are a lot of piggies with their snout in the green energy trough , so it will be an uphill battle

I agree with you that this solar and wind energy is stupid expensive and a long way to being cost effective, never mind actually green! And it is a quantum leap in materials science away from becoming cost effective or green.

The "green energy insanity" hasn't actually hit our electrical bills yet. Yes, it is stupid and costs way too much but it is all being absorbed and hidden in gov't subsidies and grants.

Here in Ontario we pay under ten cents a kw/h. The Ontario gov't previous FIT programme that paid private solar and wind farms to provide electricity was paying EIGHTY THREE CENTS PER KW/H!!! So if you have a $100 monthly electric bill, it would be $800 a month!

As for "de-regulation", I'm not sure exactly what you mean by that. The de-regulation of building energy plants? de-regulating the property rights of landowners for transmission corridors? De-regulating private (publicly traded) companies pricing?

I know "deregulation" is a catchy phrase..like "green energy", but most of the problem with the regulatory process is simply time delays. Which is not as big of a factor in the price of delivered electricty as the actual cost of construction and the natural gas etc.

 

[JohnLarue]

And the primary reason that the manufacturing was offshored was because China and Mexico pay 1/8th of the wages of a western employee. Never mind the additional employment overhead costs of US employers like the most expensive health care costs on the planet.

It wasn't because Mexico has cheap electricity that the automakers moved their operations there. Electricity costs are a factor in any manufacturing but not as much in the heavy industries like primary resource refining of say iron/steel, copper, aluminium etc.

As for Trump doing an about face if he craters the economy...by the time, and if, his bullshit bravado ever gets organized enough to put into action... he'll be out of office. You can't build a simple natural gas elelctrical generating station in less than five years even if you are shovel ready an have the approved engineered drawings, permits and contracts in place. And Trump, having been a builder before, knows how long it takes to build a simple skyscraper or hotel. He's full of shit and knows it. But he knows you guys will believe whatever he says.

time will tell
My guess is the board of John Deere is re-evaluating its current CEO's strategy.
Can he bully all of Corporate America ,? No he can not
That said a lot of corporate America supported him vs Harris and they knew tariffs were on the table with him
the stock market certainly prefers Trump so far and it is a good measure of corporate sentiment ..... long term

Trumps goals are pretty lofty and there are a lot of constraints (some of your points are valid ) and powerful interests who oppose hm.
That said there will be changes, deregulation of energy and there will be reshoring
how much?
time will tell