'War' Comes to the Streets of Toronto -- 100 Shots Fired, 23 Arrested

[cunning linguist]

They are not illegal, anyone who has a valid permit can still own or aquire one.
Legal firearms ae rarely used to commit criminal acts.
https://www.dunnandassociates.ca/news/legally-registered-guns-rarely-used-to-commit-criminal-acts/
There are hoops to jump through but you can still buy them.
You are confusing prohibited with illegal.
From the RCMP website.
Handguns
Changes to the Firearms Act impact licensed individuals who own, or who wish to acquire, handguns.

• Aspiring owners: If you want to acquire a handgun from any source in Canada, or through importation, you must meet one of the exemptions specified in the Firearms Act. Specifically, you must either:
  • hold an authorization to carry in respect of a handgun; or
  • meet the prescribed criteria and annually provide a letter to a chief firearms officer from a provincial or national sport shooting governing body indicating
    • that you are training, competing or coaching in a handgun shooting discipline that is on the programme of the International Olympic Committee or the International Paralympic Committee,
    • the disciplines in which you train, compete or coach, and
    • that the handgun in question is necessary for training, competing or coaching in those disciplines.
• Current owners: Individuals who already own registered handguns:
  • may continue to possess and use them.
  • may dispose of them by:
    • transferring them to an individual who meets one of the above exemptions;
    • transferring them to a licenced business or museum;
    • lawfully exporting them (see Exporting firearms to another country);
    • having them permanently and irreversibly deactivated; or,
    • surrendering them to a chief firearms officer, a firearms officer, or a law enforcement officer for destruction without compensation.
• Businesses: Authorized businesses may continue to sell handguns to exempted individuals, law enforcement and the military, or to other authorized businesses, including museums.
• Estates of deceased handgun owners: Handguns registered to a deceased individual may be disposed of by the same methods that are available to current owners. Please see the Transfer of firearms from estates page for further information.

I highly doubt the people involved in this incident were either Olympic athletes, or willed firearms from a deceased handgun owner.

 

[JuanGoodman]

They are not illegal, anyone who has a valid permit can still own or aquire one.
Legal firearms ae rarely used to commit criminal acts.
https://www.dunnandassociates.ca/news/legally-registered-guns-rarely-used-to-commit-criminal-acts/
There are hoops to jump through but you can still buy them.
You are confusing prohibited with illegal.
From the RCMP website.
Handguns
Changes to the Firearms Act impact licensed individuals who own, or who wish to acquire, handguns.

• Aspiring owners: If you want to acquire a handgun from any source in Canada, or through importation, you must meet one of the exemptions specified in the Firearms Act. Specifically, you must either:
  • hold an authorization to carry in respect of a handgun; or
  • meet the prescribed criteria and annually provide a letter to a chief firearms officer from a provincial or national sport shooting governing body indicating
    • that you are training, competing or coaching in a handgun shooting discipline that is on the programme of the International Olympic Committee or the International Paralympic Committee,
    • the disciplines in which you train, compete or coach, and
    • that the handgun in question is necessary for training, competing or coaching in those disciplines.
• Current owners: Individuals who already own registered handguns:
  • may continue to possess and use them.
  • may dispose of them by:
    • transferring them to an individual who meets one of the above exemptions;
    • transferring them to a licenced business or museum;
    • lawfully exporting them (see Exporting firearms to another country);
    • having them permanently and irreversibly deactivated; or,
    • surrendering them to a chief firearms officer, a firearms officer, or a law enforcement officer for destruction without compensation.
• Businesses: Authorized businesses may continue to sell handguns to exempted individuals, law enforcement and the military, or to other authorized businesses, including museums.
• Estates of deceased handgun owners: Handguns registered to a deceased individual may be disposed of by the same methods that are available to current owners. Please see the Transfer of firearms from estates page for further information.

No they can't

call any gun store in Canada and ask if you have a gun license, can you buy a handgun

 

[PeteOsborne]

No they can't

call any gun store in Canada and ask if you have a gun license, can you buy a handgun

Don't have to.
A guy I work with just bought a brand new Sig Sauer P320 legally from the dealer just North of here for $2,300.00, mind you he had to order it in in July and recieved it in September.
He has the appropriate "gun license" as you like to call it.
I have a Posession and Aquisition Licence which allows me to buy, loan, sell and borrow non-restricted firearms but not those which are under a restricted or prohibited licence.

 

[JuanGoodman]

Don't have to.
A guy I work with just bought a brand new Sig Sauer P320 legally from the dealer just North of here for $2,300.00, mind you he had to order it in in July and recieved it in September.
He has the appropriate "gun license" as you like to call it.
I have a Posession and Aquisition Licence which allows me to buy, loan, sell and borrow non-restricted firearms but not those which are under a restricted or prohibited licence.

your friend might have a special exemption

in order to buy a handgun before Tudeau introduced a complete handgun "freeze" you needed a "restricted" gun license

you still wouldn't be able to buy 'prohibited" handguns but could buy restricted handguns and some restricted rifles

but now there is a complete "freeze" on selling, buying and transferring of any "restricted"handguns

call "Firearms Outlet Canada" 1-905-428-1118

or

Elwood Epps 1-705-689-5333

you can still get one if you have written permission from provincial CFO (chief firearms officer)

like Olympic shooters, trappers, prospectors

but regular folks with "restricted" license can't get one

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/21/1130608885/justin-trudeau-canada-handgun-sales-freeze

and if you already have one, you can't sell it or transfer it to someone else

 

[Skoob]

Jeezus b'y are you new?

I seem to recall lots of shooting in the past 25+ years including Jane /Fiinch, Driftwood gang. Tuxedo Court, Galloway Boys etc. In fact I was a direct witness to a 4 man Tamil gang ambush on Eglinton / Golden Mile area in approx 1992.

But yeah... the shootings only started ever since Olivia Chow was elelcted... what.. one or two years ago?

In other words, when she campaigned on making Toronto safer and addressing gun violence she actually didn't mean it and has done nothing about it.

 

[Phil C. McNasty]

Police associations call for ‘immediate action’ on bail reform after Toronto gunfight

Police associations call for ‘immediate action’ on bail reform after Toronto gunfight

Three police associations are calling on the federal government to take “immediate action “on bail reform after officers performing a bail compliance check in Toronto’s west end found themselves in the middle of a gun fight between two groups.

www.cp24.com

 

[Skoob]

Gun control failed again? Shocker...[/sarcasm]



It's always been ironic to me, how people who support discriminatory gun control initiatives like, placing gun owners on some federal watch list; also find policies like voter ID, carding, or stop-and-frisk discriminatory.

...because it's easier to pretend statistics don't exist than actually dealing with the problems.

 

[JuanGoodman]

there is the story on handgun freeze

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/21/1130608885/justin-trudeau-canada-handgun-sales-freeze

 

[PeteOsborne]

your friend might have a special exemption

in order to buy a handgun before Tudeau introduced a complete handgun "freeze" you needed a "restricted" gun license

you still wouldn't be able to buy 'prohibited" handguns but could buy restricted handguns and some restricted rifles

but now there is a complete "freeze" on selling, buying and transferring of any "restricted"handguns

call "Firearms Outlet Canada" 1-905-428-1118

or

Elwood Epps 1-705-689-5333

you can still get one if you have written permission from provincial CFO (chief firearms officer)

like Olympic shooters, trappers, prospectors

but regular folks with "restricted" license can't get one

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/21/1130608885/justin-trudeau-canada-handgun-sales-freeze

and if you already have one, you can't sell it or transfer it to someone else

He does, exactly like I posted in post #20, you can still buy a handgun with a valid permit.
You said in response:
"No they can't

call any gun store in Canada and ask if you have a gun license, can you buy a handgun "

You don't need written permission from the CFO.
You have to provide the CFO a written statement from a provincial or national sport shooting governing body annually to retain your permit.

So is your original post true?
"but Trudeau made hand guns illegal"

Just a quick FYI.
Legal handguns have had to be registered since 1934. These records identify the owner, the owner's address and the firearm serial number. Registration certificates were issued and records kept by the RCMP or by other provincial police forces.
In 1969 handguns were classed as prohibited weapons requiring those who wanted or had a handgun to get a prohibited gun permit.
Trudeaus freeze of handguns does not ban or outlaw them for legal gun owners.
85% of traceable handguns used in crimes in Ontario were brought in illegally from the US.
This freeze does nothing to stop crimes.

 

[PeteOsborne]

I just thought of an idea, Zelensky can pass a law making it illegal to fire any type of weapon on, over or near Ukrainian soil.
There, that wil end the war immediately.

 

[JuanGoodman]

He does, exactly like I posted in post #20, you can still buy a handgun with a valid permit.
You said in response:
"No they can't

call any gun store in Canada and ask if you have a gun license, can you buy a handgun "

You don't need written permission from the CFO.
You have to provide the CFO a written statement from a provincial or national sport shooting governing body annually to retain your permit.

So is your original post true?
"but Trudeau made hand guns illegal"

Just a quick FYI.
Legal handguns have had to be registered since 1934. These records identify the owner, the owner's address and the firearm serial number. Registration certificates were issued and records kept by the RCMP or by other provincial police forces.
In 1969 handguns were classed as prohibited weapons requiring those who wanted or had a handgun to get a prohibited gun permit.
Trudeaus freeze of handguns does not ban or outlaw them for legal gun owners.
85% of traceable handguns used in crimes in Ontario were brought in illegally from the US.
This freeze does nothing to stop crimes.

call any gun store in Canada and tell them that you have a "restricted' firearm license and ask them if you can buy a handgun

if you can I will pay for 1 hr escort session of your choice

do you think Trudeau is lying?

No hand gun sales in Canada

only under special conditions Olympic shutters, Prospectors, trappers!!!

 

[richaceg]

auditioning to be P. Diddy's successor...

 

[SchlongConery]

In other words, when she campaigned on making Toronto safer and addressing gun violence she actually didn't mean it and has done nothing about it.

Please let us al know what exactly a municipal mayor can do about criminal code violations? The old police board tried the stop and frisk and carding but both were unconstitutional and had to be discontinued.

So, what exactly should she do?

FWIW, I was out walking this morning and had a nice talk with who appeared to be a supervisor who was overseeing dismantling encampments. HE said the mayor gave strong direction to keep on top of these before they get established. I asked what sort or reaction/reception he was getting from the homeless and he said that they were pretty nice and understanding because it was part of his job to help find them whatever city services they might need.

 

[cunning linguist]

He does, exactly like I posted in post #20, you can still buy a handgun with a valid permit.
You said in response:
"No they can't

call any gun store in Canada and ask if you have a gun license, can you buy a handgun "

You don't need written permission from the CFO.
You have to provide the CFO a written statement from a provincial or national sport shooting governing body annually to retain your permit.

So is your original post true?
"but Trudeau made hand guns illegal"

Just a quick FYI.
Legal handguns have had to be registered since 1934. These records identify the owner, the owner's address and the firearm serial number. Registration certificates were issued and records kept by the RCMP or by other provincial police forces.
In 1969 handguns were classed as prohibited weapons requiring those who wanted or had a handgun to get a prohibited gun permit.
Trudeaus freeze of handguns does not ban or outlaw them for legal gun owners.
85% of traceable handguns used in crimes in Ontario were brought in illegally from the US.
This freeze does nothing to stop crimes.

I'd like to know which special permit your friend has, that allowed him to take possession of a Sig P320; it's not used in the Olympics, nor do trappers or geologists carry 9mms into the bush to defend themselves against predators. Must have a side hustle as a trainer for armoured car guards or something.

But you're still playing semantics; the vast majority of RPAL holders are stuck with their collections, essentially waiting for the other shoe (confiscation or "buy back") to drop. That's like saying you can legally carry a pistol in Canada because a select few people, with very specific jobs have ATCs.

That said, I agree it's ineffective, targeting law abiding citizens has clearly done nothing to prevent something like this incident from happening.

 

[JuanGoodman]

call any gun store in Canada and tell them that you have a "restricted' firearm license and ask them if you can buy a handgun

if you can I will pay for 1 hr escort session of your choice

I extend that offer to anybody

just find a gun store in Canada that still sells handguns without very special circumstances

Like Olympic shooters, or tapers

 

[PeteOsborne]

I'd like to know which special permit your friend has, that allowed him to take possession of a Sig P320; it's not used in the Olympics, nor do trappers or geologists carry 9mms into the bush to defend themselves against predators. Must have a side hustle as a trainer for armoured car guards or something.

But you're still playing semantics; the vast majority of RPAL holders are stuck with their collections, essentially waiting for the other shoe (confiscation or "buy back") to drop. That's like saying you can legally carry a pistol in Canada because a select few people, with very specific jobs have ATCs.

That said, I agree it's ineffective, targeting law abiding citizens has clearly done nothing to prevent something like this incident from happening.

He is a Quick draw and competition shooter and a member of IPSC Ontario, who gives him his letter for the CFO, and attends competitions Internationally.
He wanted the Sig for a competition in Peterborough in August but didn't get it in time.
IIRC he told me it was in the top 5 guns for competition shooting.

I am not playing semantics, this is all in response to one statement by Juan,"but Trudeau made hand guns illegal" .

 

[cunning linguist]

He is a Quick draw and competition shooter and a member of IPSC Ontario, who gives him his letter for the CFO, and attends competitions Internationally.
He wanted the Sig for a competition in Peterborough in August but didn't get it in time.
IIRC he told me it was in the top 5 guns for competition shooting.

I am not playing semantics, this is all in response to one statement by Juan,"but Trudeau made hand guns illegal" .

I know quite a few IPSC and IDPA competitors in Canada, I've even dabbled in it myself. This is the first I've heard of these permits being granted for these competitions since the freeze.

 

[JuanGoodman]

He is a Quick draw and competition shooter and a member of IPSC Ontario, who gives him his letter for the CFO, and attends competitions Internationally.
He wanted the Sig for a competition in Peterborough in August but didn't get it in time.
IIRC he told me it was in the top 5 guns for competition shooting.

I am not playing semantics, this is all in response to one statement by Juan,"but Trudeau made hand guns illegal" .

"Bill C-21 does not outright ban Handgun ownership but the result for I.P.S.C. Canada as a sport will be a slow demise as Athletes age and no new athletes are introduced and as existing competitors' equipment wears out and they will be unable to source replacements. I.P.S.C."

 

[JuanGoodman]

He is a Quick draw and competition shooter and a member of IPSC Ontario, who gives him his letter for the CFO, and attends competitions Internationally.
He wanted the Sig for a competition in Peterborough in August but didn't get it in time.
IIRC he told me it was in the top 5 guns for competition shooting.

I am not playing semantics, this is all in response to one statement by Juan,"but Trudeau made hand guns illegal" .

dude what's 5 minutes of your time for 1 hr session with your favorite SP

just call any gun store in Canada and see if they still sell handguns if you have RPAL

 

[PeteOsborne]

call any gun store in Canada and tell them that you have a "restricted' firearm license and ask them if you can buy a handgun

if you can I will pay for 1 hr escort session of your choice

do you think Trudeau is lying?

No hand gun sales in Canada

only under special conditions Olympic shutters, Prospectors, trappers!!!

You haven't been able to buy a handgun with a "restricted" licence since 1969.
I always think Trudeau is lying, he is a politician.
No hand gun sales in canada except for those with special exemptions is true.
You still haven't answered if your original post is true."but Trudeau made handguns illegal"