'War' Comes to the Streets of Toronto -- 100 Shots Fired, 23 Arrested

[Phil C. McNasty]

Police associations call for ‘immediate action’ on bail reform after Toronto gunfight

Police associations call for ‘immediate action’ on bail reform after Toronto gunfight

Three police associations are calling on the federal government to take “immediate action “on bail reform after officers performing a bail compliance check in Toronto’s west end found themselves in the middle of a gun fight between two groups.

www.cp24.com

 

[Skoob]

Gun control failed again? Shocker...[/sarcasm]



It's always been ironic to me, how people who support discriminatory gun control initiatives like, placing gun owners on some federal watch list; also find policies like voter ID, carding, or stop-and-frisk discriminatory.

...because it's easier to pretend statistics don't exist than actually dealing with the problems.

 

[PeteOsborne]

your friend might have a special exemption

in order to buy a handgun before Tudeau introduced a complete handgun "freeze" you needed a "restricted" gun license

you still wouldn't be able to buy 'prohibited" handguns but could buy restricted handguns and some restricted rifles

but now there is a complete "freeze" on selling, buying and transferring of any "restricted"handguns

call "Firearms Outlet Canada" 1-905-428-1118

or

Elwood Epps 1-705-689-5333

you can still get one if you have written permission from provincial CFO (chief firearms officer)

like Olympic shooters, trappers, prospectors

but regular folks with "restricted" license can't get one

https://www.npr.org/2022/10/21/1130608885/justin-trudeau-canada-handgun-sales-freeze

and if you already have one, you can't sell it or transfer it to someone else

He does, exactly like I posted in post #20, you can still buy a handgun with a valid permit.
You said in response:
"No they can't

call any gun store in Canada and ask if you have a gun license, can you buy a handgun "

You don't need written permission from the CFO.
You have to provide the CFO a written statement from a provincial or national sport shooting governing body annually to retain your permit.

So is your original post true?
"but Trudeau made hand guns illegal"

Just a quick FYI.
Legal handguns have had to be registered since 1934. These records identify the owner, the owner's address and the firearm serial number. Registration certificates were issued and records kept by the RCMP or by other provincial police forces.
In 1969 handguns were classed as prohibited weapons requiring those who wanted or had a handgun to get a prohibited gun permit.
Trudeaus freeze of handguns does not ban or outlaw them for legal gun owners.
85% of traceable handguns used in crimes in Ontario were brought in illegally from the US.
This freeze does nothing to stop crimes.

 

[PeteOsborne]

I just thought of an idea, Zelensky can pass a law making it illegal to fire any type of weapon on, over or near Ukrainian soil.
There, that wil end the war immediately.

 

[richaceg]

auditioning to be P. Diddy's successor...

 

[SchlongConery]

In other words, when she campaigned on making Toronto safer and addressing gun violence she actually didn't mean it and has done nothing about it.

Please let us al know what exactly a municipal mayor can do about criminal code violations? The old police board tried the stop and frisk and carding but both were unconstitutional and had to be discontinued.

So, what exactly should she do?

FWIW, I was out walking this morning and had a nice talk with who appeared to be a supervisor who was overseeing dismantling encampments. HE said the mayor gave strong direction to keep on top of these before they get established. I asked what sort or reaction/reception he was getting from the homeless and he said that they were pretty nice and understanding because it was part of his job to help find them whatever city services they might need.

 

[cunning linguist]

He does, exactly like I posted in post #20, you can still buy a handgun with a valid permit.
You said in response:
"No they can't

call any gun store in Canada and ask if you have a gun license, can you buy a handgun "

You don't need written permission from the CFO.
You have to provide the CFO a written statement from a provincial or national sport shooting governing body annually to retain your permit.

So is your original post true?
"but Trudeau made hand guns illegal"

Just a quick FYI.
Legal handguns have had to be registered since 1934. These records identify the owner, the owner's address and the firearm serial number. Registration certificates were issued and records kept by the RCMP or by other provincial police forces.
In 1969 handguns were classed as prohibited weapons requiring those who wanted or had a handgun to get a prohibited gun permit.
Trudeaus freeze of handguns does not ban or outlaw them for legal gun owners.
85% of traceable handguns used in crimes in Ontario were brought in illegally from the US.
This freeze does nothing to stop crimes.

I'd like to know which special permit your friend has, that allowed him to take possession of a Sig P320; it's not used in the Olympics, nor do trappers or geologists carry 9mms into the bush to defend themselves against predators. Must have a side hustle as a trainer for armoured car guards or something.

But you're still playing semantics; the vast majority of RPAL holders are stuck with their collections, essentially waiting for the other shoe (confiscation or "buy back") to drop. That's like saying you can legally carry a pistol in Canada because a select few people, with very specific jobs have ATCs.

That said, I agree it's ineffective, targeting law abiding citizens has clearly done nothing to prevent something like this incident from happening.

 

[PeteOsborne]

I'd like to know which special permit your friend has, that allowed him to take possession of a Sig P320; it's not used in the Olympics, nor do trappers or geologists carry 9mms into the bush to defend themselves against predators. Must have a side hustle as a trainer for armoured car guards or something.

But you're still playing semantics; the vast majority of RPAL holders are stuck with their collections, essentially waiting for the other shoe (confiscation or "buy back") to drop. That's like saying you can legally carry a pistol in Canada because a select few people, with very specific jobs have ATCs.

That said, I agree it's ineffective, targeting law abiding citizens has clearly done nothing to prevent something like this incident from happening.

He is a Quick draw and competition shooter and a member of IPSC Ontario, who gives him his letter for the CFO, and attends competitions Internationally.
He wanted the Sig for a competition in Peterborough in August but didn't get it in time.
IIRC he told me it was in the top 5 guns for competition shooting.

I am not playing semantics, this is all in response to one statement by Juan,"but Trudeau made hand guns illegal" .

 

[cunning linguist]

He is a Quick draw and competition shooter and a member of IPSC Ontario, who gives him his letter for the CFO, and attends competitions Internationally.
He wanted the Sig for a competition in Peterborough in August but didn't get it in time.
IIRC he told me it was in the top 5 guns for competition shooting.

I am not playing semantics, this is all in response to one statement by Juan,"but Trudeau made hand guns illegal" .

I know quite a few IPSC and IDPA competitors in Canada, I've even dabbled in it myself. This is the first I've heard of these permits being granted for these competitions since the freeze.

 

[PeteOsborne]

call any gun store in Canada and tell them that you have a "restricted' firearm license and ask them if you can buy a handgun

if you can I will pay for 1 hr escort session of your choice

do you think Trudeau is lying?

No hand gun sales in Canada

only under special conditions Olympic shutters, Prospectors, trappers!!!

You haven't been able to buy a handgun with a "restricted" licence since 1969.
I always think Trudeau is lying, he is a politician.
No hand gun sales in canada except for those with special exemptions is true.
You still haven't answered if your original post is true."but Trudeau made handguns illegal"

 

[cunning linguist]

You haven't been able to buy a handgun with a "restricted" licence since 1969.

That is simply not true.

 

[roddermac]

100 shots and everyone missed?

Just like in the movies. The bad guys have horrible aim.

 

[southpaw]

Rappers?

100 shots and everyone missed?

You answered each other's questions.

Side grip - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Skoob]

Police associations call for ‘immediate action’ on bail reform after Toronto gunfight

Police associations call for ‘immediate action’ on bail reform after Toronto gunfight

Three police associations are calling on the federal government to take “immediate action “on bail reform after officers performing a bail compliance check in Toronto’s west end found themselves in the middle of a gun fight between two groups.

www.cp24.com

Funny how things work...Poilievre has been pushing for more effective bail reform forever and he always gets push-back by the Libs.
But when Trudeau adopts "Conservative" policies (usually too late) he's praised and not called things like "xenophobe", ie immigration control.

Poilievre's 'jail, not bail' idea may not pass constitutional muster, experts say
https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/polievre-jail-bail-constitutional-experts-1.6847941

 

[PeteOsborne]

@PeteOsborne before you post again just take 1 minute and call a gun store please

I called the one my coworker got his from, I can't ask him what paperwork he has since he is off deer hunting this week.
https://theammosource.com/
I was told if I have the appropriate paperwork confirming I have an exemption attached to an E-mail describing the type of handgun I am looking for they will verify my exemption then try to find a supplier for the handgun.
They will then contact me to come in in person with the originals, once this is verified they will let me know how much and how long it will take to get one.
They require payment in full before they will order.

 

[PeteOsborne]

That is simply not true.

I stand corrected thank you for noticing my error.
I should have posted a prohibited handgun.

(a) a handgun that
(i) has a barrel equal to or less than 105 mm in length, or
(ii) is designed or adapted to discharge a 25 or 32 calibre cartridge,

 

[PeteOsborne]

with all the restrictions he put on buying, selling and transferring handguns

it's same as if they were banned outright

I don't think and gun store in Canada has any handguns for sale on their web site

Found this one and called them as well, the guy who answered said they do not stock any of the guns on site but if I came in and talked to the manager (he wasn't in) he would know more about the aquisition process.
He did say he doesn't believe they have sold any or had any requests for any since he started there 4 months ago.
https://g4cgunstore.com/product-category/firearms/handguns/pistols/

 

[cunning linguist]

I called the one my coworker got his from, I can't ask him since he is off deer hunting this week.
https://theammosource.com/
I was told if I have the appropriate paperwork confirming I have an exemption attached to an E-mail describing the type of handgun I am looking for they will verify my exemption then try to find a supplier for the handgun.
They will then contact me to come in in person with the originals, once this is verified they will let me know how much and how long it will take to get one.
They require payment in full before they will order.

Your friend was very lucky...and still a poor example to defend the position of handguns not "actually being banned".

I remember when it was first announced, we had US style panic buying of restricted firearms; stock flew off the shelves in a matter of hours, if not days and the only thing left are overpriced antiques. Supply, at the retail level, is virtually non-existent.

Last I saw, which admittedly was a while ago, IPSC tried to get recognition from IOC, so that more of these exceptions could exist within the shooting committee here in Canada. Glad to see that some common sense has prevailed, but I can assure you it isn't commonplace.

Despite all that, again, it hasn't done anything to enhance public safety. What a surprise...not really.

 

[kherg007]

I can hit a bloke in the wrist -taking the gun out of his hand - w my browning hi power at 50 feet...
If it is a paper target....
If it is not moving...
If I'm leaning on a stable post lol...
Real life shootouts are shit shows and even trained cops sometimes can't hit the side of a barn when under stress.
A bloke pulled out a gun at NYC coppers about 10 years ago copper fired 9 round from 15 feet and hit the bloke once.

 

[cunning linguist]

Found this one and called them as well, the guy who answered said they do not stock any of the guns on site but if I came in and talked to the manager (he wasn't in) he would know more about the aquisition process.
He did say he doesn't believe they have sold any or had any requests for any since he started there 4 months ago.
https://g4cgunstore.com/product-category/firearms/handguns/pistols/

They seem to essentially act as brokers between competitive shooters these days; which would explain why your buddy paid over double retail for his new-to-him pistol.