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The TERB political thread is littered with Liberal members proclaiming Americans should feel great about the economy and the immigration problem was never that bad.

You wouldn't post such ideas.
The immigration pressure on the Southern border goes up and down depending on conditions in Latin America. We've talked about this. It was also bad in the early 2000's.

And who is the jackass motherfucker who blocked border reform proposed by Biden last spring?

Inflation is now under 2%. Biden did that.

But since we're on the topic, what are Trump's solutions to the above problems?

Trump is a senile fuckwit. He has no solutions to problems. What he has is a cheat sheet listing gripes and whines that he can recite on those better nights that he doesn't just jig around onstage and stare into space.
 

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The immigration pressure on the Southern border goes up and down depending on conditions in Latin America. We've talked about this. It was also bad in the early 2000's.

And who is the jackass motherfucker who blocked border reform proposed by Biden last spring?
You probably know the House would not have passed the legislation Trump or no Trump. The number of migrants it would have allowed was too high for many voters. I'm not exactly sure why we would legitimize a large number of border crossings with an unpopular political arrangement.

I do think everyone remembers you saying for two plus years that there was no problem at the southern border. The U.S. simply had to live by a U.N. convention. Then I think after the problem became a major political liability you were saying the Biden Administration was doing everything Trump did. When the Biden Administration couldn't get their 2023/24 deal, they finally started dealing with the border this year.

Am I really being unfair with my recollection? The great thing about democracy is that voters now get to weigh in.

Inflation is now under 2%. Biden did that.
The Fed did that with raising rates and dramatically reducing the money supply. There is nothing the Biden Administration contributed to lowering inflation.

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PS- Let's start with a general proposition that all politicians are generally insular and often tone-deaf about much of what is happening in the world. So with that I would advise Harris to immediately announce she would fire Mayorkas and take a different path with the border. She confronts her weakness on the border issue. She also shows that her Presidency won't be a continuation of the Biden Presidency. She deals with two problems for her with one stroke.

Now tell me how that's not a good idea. She (and you as well) shouldn't drown yourself over your idealism. It's not our job to save both of you.
 
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You probably know the House would not have passed the legislation Trump or no Trump. The number of migrants it would have allowed was too high for many voters. I'm not exactly sure why we would legitimize a large number of border crossings with an unpopular political arrangement.

I do think everyone remembers you saying for two plus years that there was no problem at the southern border. The U.S. simply had to live by a U.N. convention. Then I think after the problem became a major political liability you were saying the Biden Administration was doing everything Trump did. When the Biden Administration couldn't get their 2023/24 deal, they finally started dealing with the border this year.

Am I really being unfair with my recollection? The great thing about democracy is that voters now get to weigh in.



The Fed did that with raising rates and dramatically reducing the money supply. There is nothing the Biden Administration contributed to lowering inflation.

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PS- Let's start with a general proposition that all politicians are generally insular and often tone-deaf about much of what is happening in the world. So with that I would advise Harris to immediately announce she would fire Mayorkas and take a different path with the border. She confronts her weakness on the border issue. She also shows that her Presidency won't be a continuation of the Biden Presidency. She deals with two problems for her with one stroke.

Now tell me how that's not a good idea. She (and you as well) shouldn't drown yourself over your idealism. It's not our job to save both of you.

Nonsense, they were on board to pass the bill til Trump stopped it. Mitch was pissed and other Repugs were also pissed off. The border guards were all in favor of it as well.
 

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Nonsense, they were on board to pass the bill til Trump stopped it. Mitch was pissed and other Repugs were also pissed off. The border guards were all in favor of it as well.
I believe initially there were enough votes in the Senate, but I don't there was no guarantee that the House Republicans would rally around it. It was a Senate compromise.

Given how the general electorate is responding to the Democrat's handling of the border in election polling, I think it's safe to say they are not impressed with their efforts.

What's great is the border is now far less chaotic. Nothing like an election to trigger a dose of political reality.

PS- I don't think the head of the border patrol gave the deal an enthusiastic thumbs up. It was more ambivalent. Do you know if the union voted on their support? We are finding that unions are not always lockstep with their union heads on political matters.
 
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I believe initially there were enough votes in the Senate, but I don't there was no guarantee that the House Republicans would rally around it. It was a Senate compromise.

Given how the general electorate is responding to the Democrat's handling of the border in election polling, I think it's safe to say they are not impressed with their efforts.

What's great is the border is now far less chaotic. Nothing like an election to trigger a dose of political reality.
The only ones jumping up and down about immigration are decided looney maga voters. Abortion is a huge issue as well, do you believe Trump is doing well at calming down the voters who are against his killing of Roe V. Wade?
 

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The only ones jumping up and down about immigration are decided looney maga voters. Abortion is a huge issue as well, do you believe Trump is doing well at calming down the voters who are against his killing of Roe V. Wade?
I'm afraid you're either ignoring signals from American voters on the immigration issue or you are too laser-focused on U.S. media that is gaslighting their audience.

If Harris loses, I would say immigration was the issue that lost the election. The economy is shaky for many Americans, but in itself she could survive the discontent and win the election. Combine the two issues and you can see the Biden Administration left her with a bad hand.

As far as Abortion, it is a serious Republican liability but it has different electoral features. While I support abortion with limits, it has never been a big issue for me personally because I wear condoms and can drive my partner to a state with legalized abortion if an accident happened. I have had no accidents.
 

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You probably know the House would not have passed the legislation Trump or no Trump. The number of migrants it would have allowed was too high for many voters. I'm not exactly sure why we would legitimize a large number of border crossings with an unpopular political arrangement.
So what you're saying is that the House should never pass compromise legislation??..... Hmmmm. Interesting.
I do think everyone remembers you saying for two plus years that there was no problem at the southern border. The U.S. simply had to live by a U.N. convention. Then I think after the problem became a major political liability you were saying the Biden Administration was doing everything Trump did. When the Biden Administration couldn't get their 2023/24 deal, they finally started dealing with the border this year.

Am I really being unfair with my recollection? The great thing about democracy is that voters now get to weigh in.
What I said was that the US could resile from the UN Convention, but never would because most Republican voters would have no idea what it was or how it affected immigration and that the GOP is so incompetent and corrupt that it would rather keep the problem alive and campaign on it.

The Fed did that with raising rates and dramatically reducing the money supply. There is nothing the Biden Administration contributed to lowering inflation.
So how would Trump have solved the issue?.... Basically by having the Fed raise rates?..... Yup. Except Trump is so dumb and senile that he would have watched Fox News in bed and let some lackey aide make the necessary arrangements with the Fed and then fake Trump's signature.
PS- Let's start with a general proposition that all politicians are generally insular and often tone-deaf about much of what is happening in the world. So with that I would advise Harris to immediately announce she would fire Mayorkas and take a different path with the border. She confronts her weakness on the border issue. She also shows that her Presidency won't be a continuation of the Biden Presidency. She deals with two problems for her with one stroke.

Now tell me how that's not a good idea. She (and you as well) shouldn't drown yourself over your idealism. It's not our job to save both of you.
Because it's a bullshit idea. No matter what Harris does, the GOP will complain that the Dems created the border problem and couldn't resolve it and that firing Mayorkas was just a face-saver.

The GOP will never admit that the border was as bad under Dubya and he never "did anything" either - just waited for conditions in Latin America to calm down.

It's not "idealism". I suggested resiling from the UNCHR more than a year ago. We both know that the GOP will keep the border issue alive to scare the shit out of those nice people in Idaho and Indiana. The border issue is a gold mine to the GOP. They'll stoke it up out of control all they can and Fox News will play it up and milk it for Trump campaign donations.
 
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I believe initially there were enough votes in the Senate, but I don't there was no guarantee that the House Republicans would rally around it. It was a Senate compromise.

Given how the general electorate is responding to the Democrat's handling of the border in election polling, I think it's safe to say they are not impressed with their efforts.

What's great is the border is now far less chaotic. Nothing like an election to trigger a dose of political reality.
Can we get details of this, Earp??
 
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As far as Abortion, it is a serious Republican liability but it has different electoral features. While I support abortion with limits, it has never been a big issue for me personally because I wear condoms and can drive my partner to a state with legalized abortion if an accident happened.....
Don't count on that remaining so, Earp.
 

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I believe initially there were enough votes in the Senate, but I don't there was no guarantee that the House Republicans would rally around it. It was a Senate compromise.

Given how the general electorate is responding to the Democrat's handling of the border in election polling, I think it's safe to say they are not impressed with their efforts.

What's great is the border is now far less chaotic. Nothing like an election to trigger a dose of political reality.

PS- I don't think the head of the border patrol gave the deal an enthusiastic thumbs up. It was more ambivalent. Do you know if the union voted on their support? We are finding that unions are not always lockstep with their union heads on political matters.
Earp, what about Trump's senility as a campaign issue?

I've raised it in this thread and you fear to discuss it. Which is odd. I mean..... you love to talk about Biden's senility so much. You just go on and on and on about it.....
 

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Earp, what about Trump's senility as a campaign issue?

I've raised it in this thread and you fear to discuss it. Which is odd. I mean..... you love to talk about Biden's senility so much. You just go on and on and on about it.....
I don't respond over and over because you are redundant.

I have basically admitted no one is the same at 78 as they were when they were 70. However even though Trump is not as sharp as he was in 2016, I don't think he is materially different in his demeanor and approach. He takes big swings and says outrageous things to make his point like he always did.

In comparison if Trump wins, he would be the same age as Biden was when Biden was sworn in to be President. I don't think anyone would disagree that Biden was able to run a limited appearance campaign in 2020.

I don't know where you were on the Biden age thing before July, but we have several members who are disingenuous about the age issue. I have repeatedly said we need a constitutional limit on the age of the President (and Vice President). However, these are the rules we currently live with.
 
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I don't respond over and over because you are redundant.
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That's never stopped you going on about Biden, Earp.
I have basically admitted no one is the same at 78 as they were when they were 70. However even though Trump is not as sharp as he was in 2016, I don't think he is materially different in his demeanor and approach. He takes big swings and says outrageous things to make his point like he always did.
He never used to jig around and stare and gabble like this.

I don't know where you were on the Biden age thing before July, but we have several members who are disingenuous about the age issue. I have repeatedly said we need a constitutional limit on the age of the President (and Vice President). However, these are the rules we currently live with.
Before July, Biden was carefully protected and he wasn't exposed until the debate disaster.
 
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That's never stopped you going on about Biden, Earp.
Anyone here can quote my posts if they choose. I was never harsh just pointing out my experience with aging family members when the subject arose. I was actually never badgering Biden on the age issue.

He never used to jig around and stare and gabble like this.
Certainly, you've been to family weddings.


Before July, Biden was carefully protected and he wasn't exposed until the debate disaster.
I think that was the point. Trump is an open book WYSIWYG candidate. Americans don't like what they hear, they don't vote for him.
 
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You probably know the House would not have passed the legislation Trump or no Trump.
Your evidence for this statement?

PS- Let's start with a general proposition that all politicians are generally insular and often tone-deaf about much of what is happening in the world. So with that I would advise Harris to immediately announce she would fire Mayorkas and take a different path with the border. She confronts her weakness on the border issue. She also shows that her Presidency won't be a continuation of the Biden Presidency. She deals with two problems for her with one stroke.

Now tell me how that's not a good idea. She (and you as well) shouldn't drown yourself over your idealism. It's not our job to save both of you.
It's a purely political move to control messaging and I doubt it would have much impact in that.

If she is elected but the Dems lose the Senate (quite likely) then she is going to change very few Cabinet positions. In the current environment you simply can't assume the Senate will confirm anyone.
Given how much that position has become a lightning rod, I could see her refusing to drop him just because the confirmation process would be a political circus.
 

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Because it's a bullshit idea. No matter what Harris does, the GOP will complain that the Dems created the border problem and couldn't resolve it and that firing Mayorkas was just a face-saver.
Yes, obviously.

The GOP will never admit that the border was as bad under Dubya and he never "did anything" either - just waited for conditions in Latin America to calm down.

It's not "idealism". I suggested resiling from the UNCHR more than a year ago. We both know that the GOP will keep the border issue alive to scare the shit out of those nice people in Idaho and Indiana. The border issue is a gold mine to the GOP. They'll stoke it up out of control all they can and Fox News will play it up and milk it for Trump campaign donations.
There is no point at which the GOP will stop propagandizing the border as long as a Democrat is President.
 
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Your evidence for this statement?
Sure, I've sent polling emails to all 435 House members.

Politics isn't an exact science. There just has been speculation that some House Republicans were prepared to fight it. I know the generally more congenial Senate was leaning to vote for the legislation, but I believe it was a Senate initiative.

I could turn your question around and ask you to provide evidence that the legislation would've made it to the House floor and have passed.
 

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It's a purely political move to control messaging and I doubt it would have much impact in that.
Perhaps dropping Mayorkas wouldn't help, but it really can't hurt.

Kamala is struggling to tell voters how she would be different than Biden. Polls show immigration is her biggest problem with voters. For whatever reason, voters resoundingly don't trust her on immigration.

I think she needs to be more pragmatic to win this election.
 

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I think that was the point. Trump is an open book WYSIWYG candidate. Americans don't like what they hear, they don't vote for him.
Subject to the never-ending anal tongue bath that Fox gives him endlessly....
 
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