Must watch: Hamas supporters burn Canadian flags on October 7

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Here's a partial list of Arab atrocities against JEws in the ME.

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And to be fair, Jews sometimes responded to being attacked by launching their own attacks Irgun, Lehi for example).

But yes, the issue is that Arab leaders used Jewish immigration as a wedge issue to build an angry base of power, hoping that the mobs wouldn't realize that many of those same leaders were the ones selling land to Jews.
 
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How do you know this for certain? Israel does not do battle damage assessments. Criticism here is warranted.
Israel absolutely does battle damage assessments.
Obviously they aren't typically on the ground but they do use airborne imaging and their sources in Gaza to find out as much as they can.
 
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It is likely there was as everyone including the US were loud in trying to prevent an operation there.
I'm sure you're providing that data to the ICC. Or are you just speculating like the rest of us?

If I have the right incident in mind, they hit a Hamas compound causing a fuel tank to explode which ignited refugee tents a short distance away.
 
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By you living here in Canada and most likely a citizen, why would you defend these useful idiots in burning the Canadian flag and chanting death to Canada, wtf is wrong with you?
As a Canadian, I absolutely defend someone's right to burn our flag. It's pretty much embedded in our charter rights. I wouldn't do it and I will criticize people who think they are justified but it is absolutely those rights that differentiate us from places like Gaza and Iran.
 

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"Let me quote the rest of that for you

The IHL rules on conduct of hostilities aim to strike a balance between military necessity and humanity, seeking mainly to protect civilians from attacks and the effects of hostilities. Principle of distinction: Parties to an armed conflict must "at all times distinguish between the civilian population and combatants and between civilian objects and military objectives and accordingly shall direct their operations only against military objectives".

IHL prohibits attacks directed against civilians, as well as indiscriminate attacks, namely those that strike military objectives and civilians or civilian objects without distinction. Principle of proportionality: IHL prohibits attacks that may be expected to cause excessive incidental civilian harm in relation to the concrete and direct military advantage anticipated. In the conduct of hostilities, causing incidental harm to civilians and civilian objects is often unavoidable.

However, IHL places a limit on the extent of incidental harm that is permissible by spelling out how military necessity and considerations of humanity must be balanced in such situations. Principle of precaution: In the conduct of military operations, constant care must be taken to spare the civilian population, civilians and civilian objects. All feasible precautions must be taken to avoid, and in any event to minimize, incidental loss of civilian life, injury to civilians and damage to civilian objects.

Given the significant risk of harm to civilians whenever the military is executing an attack, IHL imposes detailed obligations to those planning, deciding on or carrying out attacks. It also requires parties to the conflict to protect civilians and civilian objects under their control against the effects of attacks. "

Which Israel has been doing, they have been very successful in dropping the civilian to combatent death ratio about 1/4 or less than the standard and lower than the US was able to do.

It's war, people die, they have been doing everything they can to prevent it, Hamas has been doing everything they can to get their people killed.
The rules say nothing about how all civilian deaths must be avoided, and unlike what the terb hate crew claims, civilian deaths are not evidence of genocide or ethnic cleansing.
The only way Israel could do more is to refuse to fight anyone who refuses to fight out in the open. They might as well just disband their military. No other signatory of the GC would go that far. When Russia lobs missles into cities, that is considered a dick more. Civilians who die in street fighting... maternal fornicators should have left before the fighting started.

But again none of this applies because Hamas gives no fucks about the Geneva conventions so they don't apply.
What you have quoted here is pretty much what I said. Civilian casualties need to be kept to a minimum, should not be targeted and when incurred should be lower than the military advantage gained.
 

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I'm sure you're providing that data to the ICC. Or are you just speculating like the rest of us?

If I have the right incident in mind, they hit a Hamas compound causing a fuel tank to explode which ignited refugee tents a short distance away.
I said it was likely. They alleged it was a Hamas compound. No evidence was presented to ascertain that.
 

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University protesters, the Terb hate crew, Queers for being killed by Palestine, Queers against having rights in Israel, if Frankfooter is to be believed the UN and some international courts, general protesters downtown. Asshats who put up for terrorism signs on their front lawn. Much of the Moslem world, various asshats in the EU parliament etc.
That is the same accusation on both sides.
 

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Israel absolutely does battle damage assessments.
Obviously they aren't typically on the ground but they do use airborne imaging and their sources in Gaza to find out as much as they can.
The Israeli government spokesperson and the PM's spokesperson said they dont and when pressed could not come up with anything.
 

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how about burning the Quran ?
Our laws probably allow it unless it's explicitly being done to incite violence or hatred. if you have one at home and you throw it on the BBQ, it's your business. if you do it in front of a Mosque, you could likely face charges. Same if you burnt a bible in front of a church or a torah in front of a synagogue.

I have no interest in any religious book but like with the Canadian flag, I have the freedom to criticize people who decide to burn them
 
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I said it was likely. They alleged it was a Hamas compound. No evidence was presented to ascertain that.
As I said, Israel says they had info. Do you think they need to share all their intel with us?

What you have quoted here is pretty much what I said. Civilian casualties need to be kept to a minimum, should not be targeted and when incurred should be lower than the military advantage gained.
As everyone has said, the measure of military advantage isn't a straightforward thing and two analysts may disagree with each other despite having the same info.

The Israeli government spokesperson and the PM's spokesperson said they dont and when pressed could not come up with anything.
Source?

Because from the strike I am thinking of and many others, Israel has even published their imagery and added details they would only know from on the ground sources.
 

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The purpose was to delay/derail an Israeli/Saudi peace deal that would have further entrenched Isreal in the region along with the other peace deals with Jordan, Egypt etc. It was a provocation orchestrated by Iran.

And yes the more casualties the better. The Shias will happily see the Palestinian Sunnis killed in job lots.
Saudis were interested because of the Palestinian gas fields.
Now they see they can't afford to be linked with Israel.

 

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Which Palestinian parties will accept a Two State peace alongside Israel as a permanent resolution to the conflict?

Hell, Hamas and Fatah won't even accept the other party in charge.
The last poll said 59% would accept the two state solution based on the 1967 borders. A deal which gives Palestinians only 20% of Palestine.
Even that is too much for you, you won't back the two state solution ordered by the UN and ICJ.

End the occupation.
End the genocide
End apartheid.

 

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As I said in the other post, Israel claims there were Hamas leaders using it. Hamas officials say it was all civilians. None of us knows what data Israel used in targeting or whether any of the dead were fighters.

At least Hezbollah admits when Israeli strikes wipe out their leaders.
Targeting hospitals, schools, refugee camps and other civilian targets is a war crime.
Whatever you think your justification was you're still committing acts of terrorism.

 
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As I said, Israel says they had info. Do you think they need to share all their intel with us?
They should after the fact that there was an attack on civilians.
As everyone has said, the measure of military advantage isn't a straightforward thing and two analysts may disagree with each other despite having the same info.
That is for the ICC and ICJ to determine and come to a conclusion. But the certainty with which some posters are saying that Israel is completely in the clear at all times is not justified.
Source? Because from the strike I am thinking of and many others, Israel has even published their imagery and added details they would only know from on the ground sources.
The spokespersons were in an interview and I dont have a link for that. But see below.
 
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