The Israel Lobby

[southpaw]

Looks like Harris chose to support genocide over winning the election.

In the last fifty years, when has there been a Democrat or Republican nominee for President who was openly critical of Israel?

On this issue, it makes no difference if Trump or Harris wins. Abortion, guns, drugs, immigration, climate change, taxes, race, gender, they're all up for debate. Israel is not.

Jill Stein is not going to win, just like Ralph Nader or Ross Perot.

 

[Frankfooter]

In the last fifty years, when has there been a Democrat or Republican nominee for President who was openly critical of Israel?

On this issue, it makes no difference if Trump or Harris wins. Abortion, guns, drugs, immigration, climate change, taxes, race, gender, they're all up for debate. Israel is not.

Jill Stein is not going to win, just like Ralph Nader or Ross Perot.

This election will be lost over support of Israel against the wishes of dem voters.
That's a powerful message.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4917055-harris-arab-american-muslim-voters-concerns/

 

[basketcase]

Doesn't surprise me at all. That's why I've always referred to it as the Israel lobby, not the Jewish lobby.

Since you brought them up: Ask the Christian Zionists what happens to Jews who don't accept Jesus when he returns.

Don't have to ask because they are clear that they need Israel for the rapture to occur.

 

[basketcase]

Surprise me?
No, I've posted that most zionists in north america are Christians repeatedly.
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Yet you still push it as a Jewish conspiracy and post repeatedly from a UN clown who says Jews "subjugated" America.

If you saw it as a political issue and not a religious one, you wouldn't obsessively post conspiracies about Jews and claiming American Jews aren't loyal to their country. I haven't seen you post about evangelicals 'disloyalty'.

 

[basketcase]

Fiction brought to you by the ADL

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1843094580121768072

Your proof is a tweet with zero backing information? What a surprise. Also a surprise is you tried to post content instead of just throwing out one liners.

 

[basketcase]

Lebanon is way more multicultural and democratic than apartheid Israel.
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Okay then. Have you ever actually looked at the workings of the Lebanese government such as the amount of time in the last two decades where they didn't have a government?


And funny that your use of the term apartheid doesn't include Lebanon requiring people to vote based on their religion, excluding all people who don't fit in to their religious definition. Also, Lebanon is a country that denies basic rights to people based on the geographic region of their ancestors.

 

[basketcase]

This election will be lost over support of Israel against the wishes of dem voters.
That's a powerful message.
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Putting Trump in power because a fringe of the Democratic voters considers Palestinians to be more important than any other American issue...

BTW. Isn't that what you keep condemning the Israel lobby for?

 

[Frankfooter]

Yet you still push it as a Jewish conspiracy and post repeatedly from a UN clown who says Jews "subjugated" America.

If you saw it as a political issue and not a religious one, you wouldn't obsessively post conspiracies about Jews and claiming American Jews aren't loyal to their country. I haven't seen you post about evangelicals 'disloyalty'.

AIPAC is not part of the Christian zionism movement, nice try.
AIPAC pushes Israeli control on US politicians while christian zionists ride along in hopes of armeggedon.

Israel may make it happen.

 

[Frankfooter]

Putting Trump in power because a fringe of the Democratic voters considers Palestinians to be more important than any other American issue...

BTW. Isn't that what you keep condemning the Israel lobby for?

I criticize AIPAC for putting Israeli wants above american needs
You just like it that way

 

[southpaw]

$17.9 Billion in free weapons. In a single year.

 

[southpaw]

U.S. spending on Israel’s military operations and related U.S operations in the region: at least $22.76 billion and counting. | Figures | Costs of War

The Costs of War Project is a team of 35 scholars, legal experts, human rights practitioners, and physicians, which began its work in 2011. We use research and a public website to facilitate debate about the costs of the post-9/11 wars in Iraq, Afghanistan, and Pakistan.

watson.brown.edu

 

[Frankfooter]

$18 billion for this

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844060255572869214

 

[shack]

My post, #737.

Coming from the guy who supports martyring as many Gazan pawns as possible.

And how you altered it.

shack said:
Coming from the guy who supports ceasefire and the end of killings by both side.

Why my post is not a mischaracterization is because every day that you call for a ceasefire that is not going to happen anytime soon, you know with 100% certainty that more and more Palis die and you don't give a shit. If you sincerely did care about them, you'd call for Hamas to immediately surrender. That would immediately save lives.

Instead, you want more of the pawns to be martyred. Your gaslighting does not work.

 

[shack]

In the last fifty years, when has there been a Democrat or Republican nominee for President who was openly critical of Israel?

You're correct. It doesn't happen.

True allies, so far away, are difficult to come by. Iran is a US enemy and Iran is afraid of Israel. Most criticisms, and I'm sure there are many, are levelled behind closed doors. Solidarity must be shown for public display.

 

[Klatuu]

Criticizing an ally as valuable as Israel is to the US in the region, is not to be done on a whim. True allies, so far away, are difficult to come by. Iran is a US enemy and Iran is afraid of Israel. Most criticisms, and I'm sure there are many, are levelled behind closed doors. Solidarity must be shown for public display.

Mewling

 

[shack]

This election will be lost over support of Israel against the wishes of dem voters.

It's the economy, stupid.

The Palis are small potatoes to the American voters. And most Americans support their Israeli allies. Michigan is not reflective of the country.

 

[Frankfooter]

My post, #737.

And how you altered it.

shack said:
Coming from the guy who supports ceasefire and the end of killings by both side.

Why my post is not a mischaracterization is because every day that you call for a ceasefire that is not going to happen anytime soon, you know with 100% certainty that more and more Palis die and you don't give a shit. If you sincerely did care about them, you'd call for Hamas to immediately surrender. That would immediately save lives.

Instead, you want more of the pawns to be martyred. Your gaslighting does not work.

You just admitted that I call for a ceasefire every day and you still intentionally lie about my views.
Who is the dishonest one here?

 

[Frankfooter]

You're correct. It doesn't happen.

True allies, so far away, are difficult to come by. Iran is a US enemy and Iran is afraid of Israel. Most criticisms, and I'm sure there are many, are levelled behind closed doors. Solidarity must be shown for public display.

The US calls for a two state solution immediately.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1844336482540192233

 

[shack]

You just admitted that I call for a ceasefire every day and you still intentionally lie about my views.
Who is the dishonest one here?

You. You refuse to admit that your calls for ceasefire are nothing more than a sham.

It proves that in reality, you are an Islamophobe. The longer you call for a ceasefire that is not coming anytime time, you are calling for more Palestinians to die. How many Gazans have died this year waiting for a ceasefire while a Hamas surrender and return of hostages would have put a halt to the violence immediately. You want more gazans to die, exactly the same as Hamas.

You want more Gazans to be pawns and martyrs so you can demonize Israel. You are using their deaths to your benefit. Now that is cold.

Stop with your dishonesty. Call for Hamas to surrender because it is the fastest way to stop the violence. You've seen the bullshit results of waiting for a ceasefire.

 

[shack]

The US calls for a two state solution immediately.

While they continue to support Israel militarily, politically and financially.

That's a classic case of their actions talking louder than their words. The protesters in the street and online do the opposite. So much hot air.