National Day of Truth and Reconciliation

[dvous11]

This thread makes me think about a friend of mine who is pursuing a PhD.
The other day she told me a good one about yet another example of woke driven compelled speech in the academic space:

“I met with my prof on Saturday and was told that I can't use the word: stakeholder
It's racist.
Apparently, the indigenous elders have told educators that the word is racist.
Because it reminds them of white people with stakes, who beat them and hurt them and kept them down.
Residential schools etc.
So now, you don't use stakeholder
You use:
Change participants and change recipients and change leader.”

 

[oil&gas]

If you had any goodwill, kindness or compassion you wouldn't be f_cking hookers.

I don't think goodwill, kindness and compassion are the
elements underpinning Trudeau's endorsement of the
reconciliation day and his other apologies for the wrongdoing
of the nation in the past. It is just good politics. One can
just see the day as a day off for vacationing like our PM did.

Trudeau spends 1st Truth and Reconciliation Day in Tofino on vacation, contradicting itinerary - National | Globalnews.ca

"Yes the PM is spending time in Tofino with family for a few days," Trudeau's spokesperson wrote, adding that "he is speaking today with residential school survivors."

globalnews.ca

 

[JohnLarue]

You do you bud.

odd how you included me when you were signalling your self anointed virtue superiority

We still owe reparations.

I owe nothing other than the liabilities i choose to take on

 

[JohnLarue]

This thread makes me think about a friend of mine who is pursuing a PhD.
The other day she told me a good one about yet another example of woke driven compelled speech in the academic space:

“I met with my prof on Saturday and was told that I can't use the word: stakeholder
It's racist.
Apparently, the indigenous elders have told educators that the word is racist.
Because it reminds them of white people with stakes, who beat them and hurt them and kept them down.
Residential schools etc.
So now, you don't use stakeholder
You use:
Change participants and change recipients and change leader.”

change the professor

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

odd how you included me when you were signalling your self anointed virtue superiority
I owe nothing other than the liabilities i choose to take on

You think what you want to think. You will find support. The majority of Canadians believe that we owe reparations which is why we have the national day of truth and reconciliation among other things.

 

[oil&gas]

You think what you want to think. You will find support. The majority of Canadians believe that we owe reparations which is why we have the national day of truth and reconciliation among other things.

If we owe reparations there is no need for a reconcilation day to remind
us of the payment to be made. Does Germany have a holiday dedicated
to the Holocauset to remind them of the debt they owe to the Jews?

 

[JohnLarue]

You think what you want to think. You will find support. The majority of Canadians believe that we owe reparations which is why we have the national day of truth and reconciliation among other things.

#1 do not include me in your "we"
#2. "The majority of Canadians" ???
talked to over half of our ever growing population (41 MM last I heard)and explained the corruption and mis-management of the "reparations" to each one before polling them and arriving at your predetermined conclusion did you ?

Did the native people get screwed over ?
No doubt

history is filled with peoples who got screwed over in battles over land
how back did you want to go ?
are you going to demand repayment of Dane gold ?
are you going to demand Belgium send all its wealth to the Congo ?
are you going to demand Spain send all its wealth to Mexico and Peru ?
you could drain ever last pound from Britton England and send it to all the people who's ancestors got screwed over by the British Empire and you would still fall short

you can not fix the past
yet you expect me to pay via taxation while you try to fix the past

btw; the "The majority of Canadians" want an election.......

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

#1 do not include me in your "we"
#2. "The majority of Canadians" ???
talked to over half of our ever growing population (41 MM last I heard)and explained the corruption and mis-management of the "reparations" to each one before polling them and arriving at your predetermined conclusion did you ?

Did the native people get screwed over ?
No doubt

history is filled with peoples who got screwed over in battles over land
how back did you want to go ?
are you going to demand repayment of Dane gold ?
are you going to demand Belgium send all its wealth to the Congo ?
are you going to demand Spain send all its wealth to Mexico and Peru ?
you could drain ever last pound from Britton England and send it to all the people who's ancestors got screwed over by the British Empire and you would still fall short

you can not fix the past
yet you expect me to pay via taxation while you try to fix the past

btw; the "The majority of Canadians" want an election.......

Be that as it may, we owe them reparations. It is a commonly held notion. There are always those who disagree.

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

If we owe reparations there is no need for a reconcilation day to remind
us of the payment to be made. Does Germany have a holiday dedicated
to the Holocauset to remind them of the debt they owe to the Jews?

Different countries, different approaches.

 

[oil&gas]

Different countries, different approaches.

So which other state in the world has a day dedicated to remembrance
of its sin in the past? And what is it that makes Canada different from
others that we need a day to highlight the reparations we ought to pay
to the descendants of a people we wronged?

If you owe me money I don't want to have to remind you when payment
is due. I'll just want you to pay me without delay.

 

[danmand]

So which other state in the world has a day dedicated to remembrance
of its sin in the past? And what is it that makes Canada different from
others that we need a day to highlight the reparations we ought to pay
to the descendants of a people we wronged?

If you owe me money I don't want to have to remind you when payment
is due. I'll just want you to pay me without delay.

South Africa has day of Reconciliation December 16.

 

[JohnLarue]

Be that as it may, we owe them reparations. It is a commonly held notion. There are always those who disagree.

a commonly held notion ?
according to who?

the corruption and mis-management of the "reparations" are not commonly know
this is a bottomless money pit

indigenous peoples as a group will never thrive and prosper so long as they remain welfare wards of the state
Canada will not survive as a country if it continues to treat special interest groups (i.e. Quebec and Indigenous Peoples) differently than the rest of the population

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

a commonly held notion ?
according to who?

the corruption and mis-management of the "reparations" are not commonly know
this is a bottomless money pit

indigenous peoples as a group will never thrive and prosper so long as they remain welfare wards of the state
Canada will not survive as a country if it continues to treat special interest groups (i.e. Quebec and Indigenous Peoples) differently than the rest of the population

You do you. Am not debating or reading all that.

 

[dirtydaveiii]

There are about 1.8 million people in Canada saying they are Indigenous. In the last dozen or so years they`ve been paid around 100 Billion dollars. Yet so many live in poverty, no clean water, severe alcoholism and drug use, big crime numbers and on and on. You think just maybe the taxpayers are being played hard? WTF is going on?

Not sure where you get your numbers from but things have improved drastically in the last 10 years on the rez. There is still a very high poverty rate but there are many successful businesses that didn't exist before

 

[Shaquille Oatmeal]

So which other state in the world has a day dedicated to remembrance
of its sin in the past? And what is it that makes Canada different from
others that we need a day to highlight the reparations we ought to pay
to the descendants of a people we wronged?

If you owe me money I don't want to have to remind you when payment
is due. I'll just want you to pay me without delay.

I don't know how you assumed that national reconciliation is a payment reminder day. It is a day to acknowledge the past.

 

[Frankfooter]

South Africa has day of Reconciliation December 16.

Rwanda has an entire month.

 

[oil&gas]

I don't know how you assumed that national reconciliation is a payment reminder day. It is a day to acknowledge the past.

I don't actually assume it is a payment reminder day. I in fact
said in one of my posts it is good politics to have the reconciliation
day. My remark on it being a payment reminder day was made in response to what you said here:

"You think what you want to think. You will find support. The majority of Canadians believe that we owe reparations which is why we have the national day of truth and reconciliation among other things."

So while the reconciliation day is not a payment reminder day it
does seem like payment of reparation is one reason we have the
day to maybe the majority of Canadians according to you.

 

[jimidean2011]

So which other state in the world has a day dedicated to remembrance
of its sin in the past? And what is it that makes Canada different from
others that we need a day to highlight the reparations we ought to pay
to the descendants of a people we wronged?

If you owe me money I don't want to have to remind you when payment
is due. I'll just want you to pay me without delay.

It might be time to do away with Black history month?

 

[Skoob]

You think what you want to think. You will find support. The majority of Canadians believe that we owe reparations which is why we have the national day of truth and reconciliation among other things.

Was there a specific vote? I don't recall being asked.

 

[oil&gas]

It might be time to do away with Black history month?

I am fine with that. We live in a free society. People are
entitled to the freedom to promote Black History in any
month of the year. I will question having a public holiday
to remember the history of slavery though. A public holiday
dedicated to remembrance of racial discrimination in the
past will also be redundant. I am also fine with the Martin
Luther King day being a national holiday.