National Day of Truth and Reconciliation

JohnLarue

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Well said Jimi. We as citizens do carry the burdens of our ancestors whether we like it or not. Thanks for the post.

if you know anything about the violent and conquer or die nature of human history you would reconsider that remark

we each carry the burden for our own individual acts / decisions and nothing more.

do not hold me responsible for acts / decisions made hundreds of years before my time.
 

dirtydaveiii

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if you know anything about the violent and conquer or die nature of human history you would reconsider that remark

we each carry the burden for our own individual acts / decisions and nothing more.

do not hold me responsible for acts / decisions made hundreds of years before my time.
You wouldn't say that if your last name was Hitler, epstein, gacy or Trump
 

Frankfooter

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Hardly ancestors. The natives got completely fucked during wwii and atrocities continued up until the 1980s with the residential schools. I'm sure some of it is exaggerated but still
It was the erasing of culture over a few generations that was the real crime of the residential schools.
 

RZG

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There are about 1.8 million people in Canada saying they are Indigenous. In the last dozen or so years they`ve been paid around 100 Billion dollars. Yet so many live in poverty, no clean water, severe alcoholism and drug use, big crime numbers and on and on. You think just maybe the taxpayers are being played hard? WTF is going on?
 

jimidean2011

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There are about 1.8 million people in Canada saying they are Indigenous. In the last dozen or so years they`ve been paid around 100 Billion dollars. Yet so many live in poverty, no clean water, severe alcoholism and drug use, big crime numbers and on and on. You think just maybe the taxpayers are being played hard? WTF is going on?
How did you come up with this 100 billion dollar figure? :unsure:
 

JohnLarue

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How did you come up with this 100 billion dollar figure? :unsure:




  • Healing and Addressing Past Harms
    to support Indigenous people and communities to pursue new opportunities to rebuild from the harmful legacies of colonialism, since 2015, the federal government has agreed to settlements totaling well over $57 billion.
that is a one time settlement


Spending on Indigenous priorities has increased significantly since 2015 (181 per cent) with spending for 2023-24 estimated to be over $30.5 billion, rising further to a forecast of approximately $32 billion in 2024-25. Notably, Budget 2024 includes $2.3 billion over five years to renew existing programming.Apr 16, 2024
$ 30 - 32 Billion a year

PM Steven Harper put in some controls / regulations which required feedback / reporting / transparency on where the $ was being spent
a reasonable expectation for anyone recieving public funds
because: (this article does not have a date stamp however was in the Harper years)


The federal government spends almost $12-billion annually on aboriginal matters, with much of it transferred to First Nations for governance, education, infrastructure and income assistance. That figure doesnt include spending by other levels of government, but given the amount of just federal tax dollars at stake, Ottawas new legislation to require transparency and accountability on reserves makes eminent sense.

Under the just-tabled Bill C-27, reserves would be required to publish regular audited financial statements. They will also need to make public the salaries and expense account reimbursements paid to reserve politicians.

Earlier this year, when member of Parliament Kelly Block introduced a similar private members bill (upon which the new government bill was based), some First Nations chiefs tried to change the subject.

The best example was Assembly of First Nations Chief Shawn Atleo. In March, Atleo argued that Blocks bill ignored important issues. He cited how the federal government has made only limited progress in carrying out education programs for reserve-based students.

Bringing up education on reserves or water, which is also flagged on occasion doesnt change how those services often suffer precisely because of how some First Nations leaders spend public money: on unreasonable salaries and unjustifiable expenses given the small populations of most reserves.

To use one example, in 2008-09, a Manitoba band councils four positions at the 535 person Ochi-Chak-Ko-Sipi First Nation (Crane River) reserve garnered salaries that ranged from the taxable equivalent of $106,000 to $144,000.

That example, and others that originally spurred Ottawas transparency legislation, came from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. The CTF showed 600 chiefs earned more than $100,000 in 2008-09; many earned more than provincial premiers while 50 chiefs earned the same or more than the prime minister, when the tax-free aspect of reserve salaries was calculated (a smaller tax-free income can easily equal or surpass a much larger income that is taxed by variouos levels of government).

In response, the Assembly of First Nations argued the CTF numbers (obtained through Access to Information) included travel expenses and per diems. The AFN also claimed that only 21 chiefs earned more than premiers and that no one earned more than the prime minister. But in the Crane River example, the average council position incurred $23,210 in travel expenses in addition to the high salaries. The AFN also overlooked honorariums and other remuneration paid to First Nations chiefs, amounts that must also factor into any comparison with the prime minister and premiers.

I recall Trudeau killed the transparency requirement, when he was elected.

gabillions of tax payers $ and there are still boil water issues for first nations

when the cash flows better than the water does there are only two possible root causes:
  1. incompetent government bureaucracy
  2. corruption
 

Skoob

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that is a one time settlement




$ 30 - 32 Billion a year

PM Steven Harper put in some controls / regulations which required feedback / reporting / transparency on where the $ was being spent
a reasonable expectation for anyone recieving public funds
because: (this article does not have a date stamp however was in the Harper years)





I recall Trudeau killed the transparency requirement, when he was elected.

gabillions of tax payers $ and there are still boil water issues for first nations

when the cash flows better than the water does there are only two possible root causes:
  1. incompetent government bureaucracy
  2. corruption
Proof that just providing government handouts in the form of money from taxpayers doesn't help those that don't want to be helped.
And/or
The money isn't getting to the ones who need it.

I've known at least 3 people over the years who lived for some time on reservations. They said it was an alternate reality where a can of soup cost $10 but since people were given money for nothing, the price didn't matter.
Those that managed the money they received made a good life for themselves after leaving the rez and became somewhat independent...those that remained lived hand-to-mouth blowing their money on booze and never having the drive to leave.

You can choose not to believe me, just speaking about my experience and hearing this 2nd hand. I'm sure others hear have heard about similar experiences.
 
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