Israeli terrorist attack on Lebanon kills 9, injures thousands

Frankfooter

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Fact is you are on the side of Islamist terrorists just as Putin is
I'm on the side of humanity, trying to work towards rules based governance and equal rights.
The flip side of that is this:

You're veering off topic once again. Here's your original statement that I challenged:

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The Israeli/US genocide in Gaza has destroyed any credibility that the US backs rules based government. The US is now morally the same as Putin and China, just another country trying to establish an empire through violence.

You accused the US of genocide in Gaza and expanding their empire. The US is standing by their ally. They have not killed anybody, have no troops on the ground and unless you know something that nobody else does, Gaza/Palestine is not becoming part of the US. Putin has Russian troops in the Ukraine, killing Ukrainians with Russian troops and wants to make it part of Russia.

The situations are very, very different.
The ICJ and ICC are looking at those allegations of genocide, Shazi. The UN and most human rights organizations have already reported its genocide.
This is a thread about Israel attacking Lebanon in preparation for invasion. That's empire building in a nutshell, Shazi, invading other countries despite being ruled that they must end the occupation of Palestine within a year by the UN.

Israel/Palestine is the same as Russia/Ukraine.
You back empire building/colonization by force, I back rules based government and no expansion by war.

 

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Evidence for this statement, please?

Are you sure you read that the only hospital in Lebanon to change its pagers (presumably away from the Israeli-targeted one) is an American hospital?

And what do you mean by an "American" hospital? (Run by the US government? Run by a private American company? Staffed only by Americans for some reason?)
This was posted on the xitter, the hospital in the American University in Beirut were told to replace all their pagers a couple of weeks ago.
Whether it is related is yet to be confirmed. There are also reports out that Israel warned the US they were going to attack.
 
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This was posted on the xitter, the hospital in the American University in Beirut were told to replace all their pagers a couple of weeks ago.
Whether it is related is yet to be confirmed. There are also reports out that Israel warned the US they were going to attack.
Lol...I really wonder how the gears in your head are running... you're also throwing out there "there are also reports out the Israel warned US"....you're hoping that shit would stick...bottom line is Israel was onto Hezbollah...
 

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Lol...I really wonder how the gears in your head are running... you're also throwing out there "there are also reports out the Israel warned US"....you're hoping that shit would stick...bottom line is Israel was onto Hezbollah...
Bottom line is that Israel is prepping to expand the Israeli - Arab war by invading yet another country.
Why?
 

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Yes! Heartless Israelis targeted children of hesbollahs freedom fighters as those children are known to often play video games on their fathers pagers!
I didn't claim they were targeting children.
I said there isn't evidence I've seen that this wasn't indiscriminate.
Schlong said that he read the pagers were all Confirmed and identified though, so when he provides that link, I will be able to know more.
 
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Bottom line is that Israel is prepping to expand the Israeli - Arab war by invading yet another country.
Why?
Maybe because hesballah has been indiscriminately showering israel with rockets so that 60,000 Israeli civilians cannot live in their homes for almost a year and were relocated to the south?
 
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Valcazar

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I guess we'll have to wait until the Mossad releases their technical report. 😉

But since there were reportedly 5,000 pagers that were imported, it seems not all of them went off.
Where are you getting that 5,000 pagers number from?
(Not doubting you, I just haven't seen that number.)

As I said earlier, the Israeli Mossad are no idiots. They are crafty. If they were able to intercept the initial communications, unravel and insert themselves into the deal somehow, intercept and modify the pagers with explosives and new code, do you think they would be so crude and foolish to indiscriminately ALL of the pagers by some simple "BOOM" button?
Yes.
I certainly have no reason to rule it out without evidence.

These are not Iraqi or Afghan rebels wiring up the buzzer power leads to a blasting cap in a anti-tank mine, that gets set off by the buzzer. Otherwise these pagers would have gone off on the first message.
They clearly kept the detonation code to themselves, I agree.
That has nothing to do with whether or not they just blew all the pagers or not.

Also, this would be an intelligence gathering operation as much as a physical explosive attack. As the Hezbollah leader had said, the Israelis had already compromised their cell phone comunications. Enough to learn that they were going to pagers. And pager networks are much easier to intercept. Israel had enough detailed, word by word interception of Hezbollah's communications that they knew a SINGLE person had found the explosives and warned a more senior communications guy in Hezbollah. That's why they detonated when they did, because they knew they'd been discovered and snet the message before the Hezbollah members wearing pagers ditched them..
This has been speculated, yes.
And it may well lead to a conclusion that they were targeted in who they sent the messages to.

Forgive me for wanting actual evidence as opposed to speculation.

This was a very sophisticated operation. And Israel knew they'd catch flak over it going into it. No way they'd not have anticipated the even more severe backlash if they didn't only blow up certain pagers that had been confirmed as being used by Hezbollah. No way.
Why not?
They've repeatedly courted activity that provokes backlash, including bombing refugee camps and hospitals.
I see no reason to casually dismiss it with "no way" given their history.
 
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Valcazar

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This was posted on the xitter, the hospital in the American University in Beirut were told to replace all their pagers a couple of weeks ago.
Whether it is related is yet to be confirmed. There are also reports out that Israel warned the US they were going to attack.
So NO evidence this was the only hospital where pagers were changed.
NO evidence this wasn't scheduled ages ago.

NOT "an American Hospital" but actually a Hospital in a University founded 100 years ago by Americans but which is local, with international accreditation.

So nothing but baseless rumour mongering at this time.

Got it.
 

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Bottom line is that Israel is prepping to expand the Israeli - Arab war by invading yet another country.
Why?
expand the Israel-Arab war?
Hezbollah attacked Israel right after Oct 7 franky...they started the war they have nothing to do with...
On 8 October 2023, Hezbollah started firing guided rockets and artillery shells at Israeli positions in the occupied Shebaa Farms, which it said was in solidarity with Palestinians following the Hamas attack on Israel that took place a day earlier.
 

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Where are you getting that 5,000 pagers number from?
(Not doubting you, I just haven't seen that number.)



Yes.
I certainly have no reason to rule it out without evidence.



They clearly kept the detonation code to themselves, I agree.
That has nothing to do with whether or not they just blew all the pagers or not.



This has been speculated, yes.
And it may well lead to a conclusion that they were targeted in who they sent the messages to.

Forgive me for wanting actual evidence as opposed to speculation.



Why not?
They've repeatedly courted activity that provokes backlash, including bombing refugee camps and hospitals.
I see no reason to casually dismiss it with "no way" given their history.

From Al Jazeera:


A Lebanese security source and another source told the Reuters news agency that the Mossad, Israel’s spy agency, planted explosives in 5,000 pagers that Hezbollah had ordered months before the explosions. The sources said a code was simultaneously sent to 3,000 of the pagers, triggering the explosions.
 
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expand the Israel-Arab war?
Hezbollah attacked Israel right after Oct 7 franky...they started the war they have nothing to do with...
On 8 October 2023, Hezbollah started firing guided rockets and artillery shells at Israeli positions in the occupied Shebaa Farms, which it said was in solidarity with Palestinians following the Hamas attack on Israel that took place a day earlier.
“Occupied Sheba Farms? “ You just confirmed POS Nation was at fault.
 

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So NO evidence this was the only hospital where pagers were changed.
NO evidence this wasn't scheduled ages ago.

NOT "an American Hospital" but actually a Hospital in a University founded 100 years ago by Americans but which is local, with international accreditation.

So nothing but baseless rumour mongering at this time.

Got it.
Which is like most of the information we're getting right now.
The hospital does say the change was ordered in April, so this story wasn't accurate.
There are also conflicting stories about whether it was explosives or batteries, but its likely these pagers just ran off single aaa batteries.
 
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On 8 October 2023, Hezbollah started firing guided rockets and artillery shells at Israeli positions in the occupied Shebaa Farms,
Shebaa farms is Lebanese land currently occupied by Israel.
They also occupy Syrian land as well.

That means that Lebanon is justified in attacking to recover occupied land the way Ukraine is justified in attacking to recover land occupied by Russia.
 

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As am I with your adolescent fantasy explanations. Listening to you fawn over this mass terror attack by POS Nation is like a Taylor Swift fan fawning over her latest album.
I will agree all those explosions were music to the ears of the world. Cripes yer boys failed badly here. Absolutely outplayed and showed what rank amateurs they are.
 
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