The Great Debate

Who won the great debate?

  • Harris

    Votes: 71 78.0%
  • Trump

    Votes: 9 9.9%
  • Both were bad with no winner

    Votes: 9 9.9%
  • Both were good with no winner

    Votes: 2 2.2%

  • Total voters
    91

mitchell76

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Top 5 lies that the ABC News moderators refused to fact-check or falsely fact-checked during the debate: 1. Mandatory Firearm Buybacks: Kamala Harris told Trump to "stop lying" about her wanting to confiscate firearms. Harris has previously stated multiple times that she wants to launch a mandatory buyback program. The ABC moderators said nothing. 2. "Fine People" Hoax: Kamala Harris claimed Trump called neo-N*zi's "very fine people." This hoax was debunked by Snopes but the ABC moderators let it slide. The ABC moderators said nothing. 3. Post-Birth Abortion: Trump claimed babies were 'k*lled' outside the womb in failed abortions. Under Tim Walz, babies born alive in botched abortions are allowed to be left to d*e. Eight babies who survived abortions in Minnesota were abandoned and sadly perished under Walz. The ABC moderators simply said Trump was lying and moved on without adding context. 4. Defund the Police: Kamala Harris laughed when Trump said she wanted to defund the police. During a previous interview, Harris said having more cops on the street is "wrong." She also supported taking police officers out of schools. The ABC moderators said nothing. 5. Bl**dbath Hoax: Kamala Harris claimed Trump said there would be a bl**dbath if he is not elected, insinuating that his supporters would start k*lling people. This is completely false. The comment was made during a rally where Trump said there would be a "bl**dbath" for the American auto industry if he is not elected. The ABC moderators said nothing.
 

WyattEarp

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Of course, set aside that idiot. He'd give away the store to make himself look good.

But how exactly do people expect settling with a bully to work out?
Did you see my post on how the Ukraine War and how it compares to the Korean Conflict? Kim Jong Un is a wannabe bully.

I don't know your angle. Social media is littered with people posting that the Ukraine should fight until Russia withdraws entirely including from Crimea. Some of them are certainly of Ukrainian descent.

The Ukrainians fought back and preserved their country. That's enough. Russia is also not a threat to NATO.

I don't think waiting for a complete Russian capitulation is in the cards. It's also a very risky proposition.
 
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silentkisser

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I don't understand why there are so many weak men in the political section of this forum. I guess most are old men who need socialism to protect them in their old age or lazy men.

She didn't kick ass. I don't know what reality you live in. How could someone like Putin ever respect her or take her seriously? Why hasn't their administration done any of the things she's proposing? She's still in the White House. Why didn't she meet with BB? What is her vision other than false optimism? What did I learn from Kamala today that has any substance? This was on her turf with ABC and she most likely even received the questions beforehand.
Also massive bias by the moderators but that was expected.

You're argument for Kamala can't be that you hate Trump. It's not a strong enough argument to elect someone to become President.

Nothing came out of this debate and each side will say they won.
I find it interesting that you take everything Trump says at face value. Like, you believe he could end the war in Ukraine. I mean, sure, but that would be with Putin sitting in Kyiv. So, don't pretend that this master strategist and stable genius could solve any problem. As for Harris....you do realize she'd the vice president. So, she doesn't really call the shots of what Joe Biden does. I mean, Trump should know that.

But, what we saw last night was someone who is willing to lie like a rug, saying bullshit about immigrants eating pets or having to defend the size of his crowds at his rallies. As I said, it comes off as pathetic. The man couldn't barely answer simple questions without vomiting up a word salad of nonsense...
 

benstt

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Did you see my post on how the Ukraine War and how it compares to the Korean Conflict? Kim Jong Un is a wannabe bully.

I don't know your angle. Social media is littered with people posting that the Ukraine should fight until Russia withdraws entirely including from Crimea. Some of them are certainly of Ukrainian descent.
Yes, I responded to your Korean scenario of how this plays out with an Afghan scenario of how it could play out. The Russians, though on paper a much more powerful country, did not succeed in their goals there and withdrew.

I have no angle, I'm not Russian or Ukranian, but I am an observer of history.
 

WyattEarp

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Yes, I responded to your Korean scenario of how this plays out with an Afghan scenario of how it could play out. The Russians, though on paper a much more powerful country, did not succeed in their goals there and withdrew.

I have no angle, I'm not Russian or Ukranian, but I am an observer of history.
The Afghans would have fought the Russians for 100 years and then another 100 if that what it took. Many Ukrainians including young men just left when the war started.
 
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I find it interesting that you take everything Trump says at face value. Like, you believe he could end the war in Ukraine. I mean, sure, but that would be with Putin sitting in Kyiv. So, don't pretend that this master strategist and stable genius could solve any problem. As for Harris....you do realize she'd the vice president. So, she doesn't really call the shots of what Joe Biden does. I mean, Trump should know that.

But, what we saw last night was someone who is willing to lie like a rug, saying bullshit about immigrants eating pets or having to defend the size of his crowds at his rallies. As I said, it comes off as pathetic. The man couldn't barely answer simple questions without vomiting up a word salad of nonsense...
Whatever man, I’m just wasting my time on here. You don’t like the guy, I get it but learn to not have extreme bias. Did he sexually abuse you or something? I can admit Trump did mediocre in the debate but he didn’t lie to the extremes like you said. Kamala lied a lot too and the ABC people had extreme bias on fact checking only Trump. Everyone saw it.

it’s not even worth it in this forum. I give up. Wyatt was right about you guys. It’s an echo chamber in here.
 
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silentkisser

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I can see by the volume of posts from @mitchell76 that the right-wing fever swamp is getting pretty worried about how Trump shit the bed in the debate. Couldn't keep his composure, continuously rambled (incoherently at times) about weird topics, and basically lied about nearly everything. And, apparently, he totally blew off his campaign's advice not to respond to trolling...and of course he fell for it EVERY TIME!!!!

So, now they need to blame the moderators because they pushed back on some of the unhinged bullshit he spewed. What didn't they do it to Kamala? Maybe because she didn't say such astoundingly stupid things....
 

NotADcotor

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apart from Chuckie believing that very small rocks float in water.
Only way a rock floats on water is if someone turns them into a witch. I am wise in the ways of science
 

benstt

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The Afghans would have fought the Russians for 100 years and then another 100 if that what it took. Many Ukrainians including young men just left when the war started.
You think no-one left Afghanistan when the Russians invaded?
 

NotADcotor

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so the city of Springfield, Ohio, got a press release out to confirm no dogs or cats are being eaten.
Wait, Trump and his people lying and his minions believing it. What a surprise.
 
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NotADcotor

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I agree he lies and exaggerates. It's certainly not restricted to him. She lies and exaggerates. That's what politicians do. You just don't hear the lies you like. Many people seem to like that he will take on liars with bigger lies. I don't think it's about them believing everything Trump or any other politician says.

It is not at the same level.

It is a bit like saying Truedope and Bernardo both sexual assault women. Sure, but a pat on the bum is not the same as raping and killing teenage girls. [Even if Matt Damon was forced to apologies for saying there is a difference.]

I am a tubby bitch, John Pinette is a morbidly obese guy. Yes we are both have excess adipose tissue, but again, not equivalent.

Also based on what one sees here, there are many of his cultists who buy into every thing he says.
 
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NotADcotor

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I'm glad you have made that determination.

As was pointed out, some votes were placed before the debate started so you have some frivolous participation.
Of of the big Trumptards said about 11 hours before the election that Harris will lose.
I haven't seen anything since but I am guessing much like Mitchel, he will stay the course on that.

But yeah it's fucked up to vote before the event even started.
 
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