Sugar Baby Conversion

[Urbanexplorer]

I am creating a new thread because I think it’s a big enough departure from the sugar dating experience thread.

I have been into sugar dating (and hobbying still) for about 2.5 years. I have met and been intimate with approximately 30 of them. The first was a one night thing and it was pretty thrilling (it’s addictive) and then so were the next probably 5-6. Mostly involved meeting for a coffee or drink to see if we connect, I.e. they are evaluating if you’re a danger and/or a poser. It then proceeded to what you'd expect. Overall good stuff.

I should add that during this timeframe I lived with an ex fiancée. No judgment zone reminder to those who may come at me. I was also hobbying still. I need help, I know.

May 2022 I met someone different. We really did hit it off. She was 20 I was 37. We talked every day. We agreed on $200/week and she was pretty clear on platonic. I never in my life I thought I’d agree to that type of arrangement in my life , but I did. July 2023 one night she calls late and asks if I can pick her and her friend up from the bar and I said sure. Got her crumpled roomate up to her bed (beefy girl, too). The SB and I sat and talked for a couple hours and ended up doing the deed. From there we did another 6 months with the $200/week. A year in, she goes home for a month and we taie a slight slow down and I say that I’m not sending money, it’s fine. She comes home in a month, never start sending money again. We keep seeing each other. And we had still talked every day, multiple FaceTimes a day. 1.5 years in and she moves home to Florida. 2 years in this past may we finally parted ways. Actually heart breaking to be honest but I won’t go into that.

During this relationship I still met other SBs. I was actually engaged, had a mistress, seeing other SBs and hobbying. I’m a degenerate.

Last October I converted a 19 year old for 2 months. Only provided a gift the first time. Last November I converted an 18 year old for 2 months, gift once. I’ve recently converted a 20/21 to a no gift situation.

I guess my question is, have others done this? If so, tell your story and let’s make a playbook.

 

[glamphotographer]

Only $200 a week? What does it include?

 

[Urbanexplorer]

So you were essentially just paying her to be your friend and have phone conversations/facetime calls?

Read it all again.

 

[speakercontrols]

So you were essentially just paying her to be your friend and have phone conversations/facetime calls?

I think he was playing the long game

 

[SchlongConery]

Only $200 a week? What does it include?

Being conned, manipulated, exploited, used and tossed aside by a serial cheapskate for $200 Alex?

 

[shack]

Being conned, manipulated, exploited, used and tossed aside by a serial cheapskate for $200 Alex?

Keep in mind that that price was negotiated for what was, at that time, a platonic arrangement.

 

[Jenesis]

Keep in mind that that price was negotiated for what was, at that time, a platonic arrangement.

Lots of young girls don’t know their worth yet. They will learn. Sadly for some, it is the hard way.

However without sex involved, I can see this as a reasonable amount.

 

[speakercontrols]

Seems more like gambling to me.

So...a real relationship?

 

[DesRicardo]

They call guys like you a Splenda (Stevia) Daddy.

 

[Urbanexplorer]

They call guys like you a Splenda (Stevia) Daddy.

I am aware of this. I have seen about 30 I’d say and not ever lowballed. I do provide what they are looking for in that way.
This entire post was about converting them from SB to not giving a gift and still seeing them.

 

[Urbanexplorer]

The reading comprehension skills of a lot of people here needs some serious work.

 

[Urbanexplorer]

I'm confused, how can they be considered a sugar baby if you agree to not getting any sugar? Wouldn't they just be.....a baby? That eventually becomes a friend with benefits?

Yes that what it got to. The post is about have others done this..

 

[Urbanexplorer]

But you have to admit that you're at risk of giving away large sums of money with no real guarantee to get a return off your investment. Just seems like you could be setting yourself up for a big disappointment.

I have never not gotten what I wanted out of it.

 

[IM469]

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During this relationship I still met other SBs. I was actually engaged, had a mistress, seeing other SBs and hobbying. I’m a degenerate.

Last October I converted a 19 year old for 2 months. Only provided a gift the first time. Last November I converted an 18 year old for 2 months, gift once. I’ve recently converted a 20/21 to a no gift situation.

I guess my question is, have others done this? If so, tell your story and let’s make a playbook.

We get a lot of members who live their sexual fantasies by posting extraordinary sexual escapades to generate male admiration from Terb members since the reality is that they can't carry on a two minute conversation with a hot girl. So in 2 1/2 years you have 30 SDB's, a mistress while engaged to another woman. I'm not commenting on moral ethics - it is the logistics I find puzzling.

So if I swallow hard - my comment is not that you are a degenerate - you are a juggler on a tightrope. I can sit in the peanut gallery and look at the spectacle but there is no way I would want to be in your position.

I don't want to bruise your ego with respect to the last two teen conversions - but those are dates.

 

[Urbanexplorer]

We get a lot of members who live their sexual fantasies by posting extraordinary sexual escapades to generate male admiration from Terb members since the reality is that they can't carry on a two minute conversation with a hot girl. So in 2 1/2 years you have 30 SDB's, a mistress while engaged to another woman. I'm not commenting on moral ethics - it is the logistics I find puzzling.

So if I swallow hard - my comment is not that you are a degenerate - you are a juggler on a tightrope. I can sit in the peanut gallery and look at the spectacle but there is no way I would want to be in your position.

I don't want to bruise your ego with respect to the last two teen conversions - but those are dates.

I appreciate that. I am not looking for validation or praise, truly. It’s true but I’m not really going to defend it. Yes, logistics were very challenging.

Again, I am posting to ask the question if anyone else has converted an SB into just a baby without the sugar. I’m trying to find someone else who’s done it to talk about it.

 

[Urbanexplorer]

We get a lot of members who live their sexual fantasies by posting extraordinary sexual escapades to generate male admiration from Terb members since the reality is that they can't carry on a two minute conversation with a hot girl. So in 2 1/2 years you have 30 SDB's, a mistress while engaged to another woman. I'm not commenting on moral ethics - it is the logistics I find puzzling.

So if I swallow hard - my comment is not that you are a degenerate - you are a juggler on a tightrope. I can sit in the peanut gallery and look at the spectacle but there is no way I would want to be in your position.

I don't want to bruise your ego with respect to the last two teen conversions - but those are dates.

Also, been a member for 11 years and contribute. I’m not here to live a incel fantasy dude.

 

[Patron]

The OP said he wanted stories.

Here are two. I was late (airplane delay) once to a session and she was nice about it but said there would be a 5-10 minute interruption during our time. She did some domme work and she had a texting session with another guy. She apparently put him to bed every night and was paid to do so. I was rather amused by it. Bet he didn’t think she was in the middle of another session while she was texting him.

I saw one lady for years at various places, usually at her little house on a hill in LA. We were close enough that she had me at her place. Once she told me to come to a new address in LA since she had to evacuate due to a potential mudslide. She told me to bring a pizza from a specified restaurant. Turns out a quasi-boyfriend who was traveling let her use his place. It took me forever to figure out the pizza. Then I got it. She didn’t want neighbors telling the quasi-boyfriend that guys came and went. The neighbors would see a guy delivering a pizza. They wouldn’t pay any attention to whether he left right away. Girls are smart.

My point is that technology, particularly texting, has allowed good looking women to manage 10 to 100 to 1,000 guys like a stock portfolio. Some of those stocks pay dividends, with those dividend rates differ from stock to stock, and some of the stocks being held more for long-term appreciation rather than dividends. Those girls the original poster mentioned have hundreds of contacts in her cell phone and she constantly manages them by texting.

As far as a lady maintaining contact once the dividend ceases, she is just deciding not to sell the stock at a loss and see if it ever recovers in price and/or starts paying a dividend again. If not, she finally sells it or just accepts that it becomes worthless.

Women in escorting and Sugaring know the value of the valuable patch of real estate between their legs. They even keep an eye out for something really long-term once that value declines. All women do these activities to an extent, sex workers just happen to do it really well. But even a supposed trad girlfriend or wife has “male friends” in the background as replacements for their current One and Only.

My criticism of Sugaring is that I think it is too easy for a naive guy to get really played and taken to the cleaners to an extent that is less likely in an escort relationship where he buys 1, 2 or 3 hours. And let‘s not kid ourselves. An escort will do the same things a Sugar Baby will do if you buy a long enough time frame. It costs more to do a long time frame with an escort in the short run. In the long run, I am not so sure.

 

[shack]

Also, been a member for 11 years and contribute. I’m not here to live a incel fantasy dude.

You've done it soooo many times why in the world would you need somebody else to talk to about it?

 

[Urbanexplorer]

The OP said he wanted stories.

Here are two. I was late (airplane delay) once to a session and she was nice about it but said there would be a 5-10 minute interruption during our time. She did some domme work and she had a texting session with another guy. She apparently put him to bed every night and was paid to do so. I was rather amused by it. Bet he didn’t think she was in the middle of another session while she was texting him.

I saw one lady for years at various places, usually at her little house on a hill in LA. We were close enough that she had me at her place. Once she told me to come to a new address in LA since she had to evacuate due to a potential mudslide. She told me to bring a pizza from a specified restaurant. Turns out a quasi-boyfriend who was traveling let her use his place. It took me forever to figure out the pizza. Then I got it. She didn’t want neighbors telling the quasi-boyfriend that guys came and went. The neighbors would see a guy delivering a pizza. They wouldn’t pay any attention to whether he left right away. Girls are smart.

My point is that technology, particularly texting, has allowed good looking women to manage 10 to 100 to 1,000 guys like a stock portfolio. Some of those stocks pay dividends, with those dividend rates differ from stock to stock, and some of the stocks being held more for long-term appreciation rather than dividends. Those girls the original poster mentioned have hundreds of contacts in her cell phone and she constantly manages them by texting.

As far as a lady maintaining contact once the dividend ceases, she is just deciding not to sell the stock at a loss and see if it ever recovers in price and/or starts paying a dividend again. If not, she finally sells it or just accepts that it becomes worthless.

Women in escorting and Sugaring know the value of the valuable patch of real estate between their legs. They even keep an eye out for something really long-term once that value declines. All women do these activities to an extent, sex workers just happen to do it really well. But even a supposed trad girlfriend or wife has “male friends” in the background as replacements for their current One and Only.

My criticism of Sugaring is that I think it is too easy for a naive guy to get really played and taken to the cleaners to an extent that is less likely in an escort relationship where he buys 1, 2 or 3 hours. And let‘s not kid ourselves. An escort will do the same things a Sugar Baby will do if you buy a long enough time frame. It costs more to do a long time frame with an escort in the short run. In the long run, I am not so sure.

Thanks. That’s interesting about them not selling hoping it’ll come back up. They did sell eventually.

One other thing about it was once I stopped paying for it, I started to get jealous. I’d login to the site and see they had been online - I’d get jealous on the inside which is completely irrational. That clearly would never happen with an SP.

 

[Patron]

With the rising power of young women, and the almost magical ability of the smartphone, we should make a movie that combines elements of GlenGary Glenross, Orgazmo (the South Park guy’s weakest movie) and Sex and the City.

I would be entertaining, and it would piss off JD Vance.

Four young women move in together in a nice LA apartment. They have classes and civilian jobs that don’t cover a really good life in LA.

The fundamental premise of the show is how they manage their extensive Contacts List on their phones.

The hottest one is a Mormon planning her wedding in Utah. It is a good ways off. She figures it will be in a nice venue in the St. George area, but secretly dreams of having it in the actual Mormon Tabernacle in Salt Lake City. Her fiancé, by the way, is on Mission in Africa and was awarded a medal for helping a village hard hit by Ebola.

One of the ladies is an independent escort with an OnlyFans page who just started Sugaring. She knew one of the other girls before they all moved in together and that other girl has just an OnlyFans page.

Basically they all start Sugaring, but they also have ”civilian” boyfriends, and guys from ‘back home”, and of course the heroic Mormon Mission Man in Africa.

The Mormon girl of course starts out slow and shoots for more platonic encounters while Sugaring. But she soon realizes that she can make so much more by going all the way, perhaps even including the anal sex that she can do with more ease than her roommates, that she could actually make enough to have her wedding in the Mormon Tabernacle. She still has a soft spot for the guys who paid her for platonic relationships and those who aren’t paying her any longer, and she contacts them occasionally and does some uncompensated sex, much to the chagrin of her roommates who keep saying that guy is a deadbeat, get rid of him, like in GlenGary GlenRoss.

They have girl discussions and girl adventures like Sex in the City and even Golden Girls, but with greater focus on how much to get, directly or indirectly, from that valuable patch of real estate between their legs and how connected it is to their smart phones. Discussions and dilemmas about what guys they like best, and how to keep the guys from discovering their bountiful and secret lives.

There are many plot twists, but in the final episode the marriage does occur at the Mormon Tabernacle with the guy just having returned from even another mission in Africa to marry the love of his life, who he thinks is a virgin.