Right-wing terrorism vs. Islamic terrorism - which one is the greater global threat??
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OK...how about:But thats because muslims only make up 1.34% of the population: https://www.google.ca/search?q=what...a_upv=1&sxsrf=ADLYWIIdpFxBZstGX9hLcCxaINtztDa
Imagine if muslims made up 20-30% of the population
Just some examples:
September 11 attacks - Wikipedia
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Omar Mateen - Wikipedia
Boston Marathon bombing - Wikipedia
Oklahoma City bombing - Wikipedia
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Centennial Olympic Park bombing - Wikipedia
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2019 El Paso Walmart shooting - Wikipedia
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2022 Buffalo shooting - Wikipedia
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These are just a small sampling of higher profile attacks. There are multiple mass shootings by right-wing terrorists. And these are white (frequently Christian nationalists) men....
Do you have the exact numbers of civilians and Hamas fighters? These 41,000 are mainly civilians though there are some that maybe the Hamas fighters.
Obviously, you have tuned out of the actual tv ground coverage of the civilians that have been killed as well as including the injured ones that have lost their limbs, been badly injured and now with limited resources to treat them as the hospitals have been destroyed. The fact is that this bombing has now escalated to the West Bank territories. However, even if the actual civilian numbers are half that amount it is a tragedy that even the thousands of Israeli demonstrators are concerned with it!!
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So Hamas reports 41000 total casualties and you are inferring that most of them are civilians and “some are maybe hamas fighters”? Some maybe? Listen to yourself.
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I dont deny there's a problem with extreme right-wing and terror, but it doesnt change the point I made in my previous post, which is muslims only comprise 1.34% of US population, and per capita they commit far more terror than any other group.OK...how about:
Oklahoma City bombing - Wikipedia
Centennial Olympic Park bombing - Wikipedia
2019 El Paso Walmart shooting - Wikipedia
2022 Buffalo shooting - Wikipedia
These are just a small sampling of higher profile attacks. There are multiple mass shootings by right-wing terrorists. And these are white (frequently Christian nationalists) men....
If you look at Western Europe muslims make up between 3-5% and thats when they start to become dangerous.
Case in point: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_terrorism_in_Europe
Past Islamic terrorism attacks were bought on themselves by the
U.S. and Europe. More well-thought out immigration and refugee policy,
restraint from meddling into Middle East conflicts plus cessation to
be Israel's lackey would have spared the west from the pain of and the
need to counter terrorism.
U.S. and Europe. More well-thought out immigration and refugee policy,
restraint from meddling into Middle East conflicts plus cessation to
be Israel's lackey would have spared the west from the pain of and the
need to counter terrorism.
Of course there are different discussions about how people feel about civilian deaths and the international law on it. The laws say it is not a war crime to kill civilians. It says it is illegal to explicitly target non-civilians but strikes on military targets that kill civilians are legal as long as the military value is reasonable in comparison to the civilian deaths. It would take someone far more versed in international law, informed on the military intent of the strikes and an accurate count of the status of the victims than me to determine the legality of it all. The CLAIM that Israel's strikes are indiscriminate feel right when seeing the images but that does not mean they are according to international law.
As for numbers, of course we don't know the exact breakdown of combatants and non-combatants. Hamas never mentions fighters being included among the dead while Israel says 43% of them were combatants. Even if we split the difference, the ratio of civilian deaths to combatant would still be very low compared to past urban conflicts. That doesn't make make civilians deaths easier or right but could be a piece of evidence on whether the strikes are war crimes or not.
Am I the only one who sees how incoherent your argument is? You quote the US proportion of Muslims which makes it seem your focus is on the US but in the US, Muslim terror is far less common than right-wing terror.
Ah, the elitist western racism that refuses to hold non-whites accountable for their actions. Whatever justification you want to make for terrorists (colonialism, the West, Israel, differing religions, not getting dates...) the choice to explicitly target civilians was made by the terrorist and even if we want to academically analyze the roots of the justification, the blame for committing a terror attack sits primarily with the people who chose to commit the attack.
So then quote the numbers from the letter the Lancet published, that used standard battlefield formula to say that Israel has likely killed at least 186,000.
That's likely way more accurate.
Conversely, you could get Israel to agree to let in the WHO, MSF, Unicef and the UN to count the dead.
But that would get in the way of your genocide.
That's the same elite racism that has you argue that zionists aren't responsible for the genocide on Palestinians, that you blame on Hamas.
But we both know its Israel that has chosen to commit apartheid and genocide.
Amnesty is one of the most trusted human rights organizations in the world.
The problem is with Israeli genocide, not Amnesty.
Hamas was only supposed to be 20,000 strong.
Israel has likely killed 186,000 already and Hamas is still around.
Israel is mostly killing women and children.
A reminder.
The ICC is in the process of issuing warrants for genocide.
The ICJ has ruled the occupation of Palestine is illegal and Israel must return all of Palestine, including Gaza and the West Bank, and pay restitution.
Just obey the law and respect human rights.
End the occupation.
End apartheid.
End the genocide.
The ICC is in the process of issuing warrants for genocide.
The ICJ has ruled the occupation of Palestine is illegal and Israel must return all of Palestine, including Gaza and the West Bank, and pay restitution.
Just obey the law and respect human rights.
End the occupation.
End apartheid.
End the genocide.
Of course you do not have the exact numbers!!
With the bodies of families including children etc pulled out of the rubble, I will take that to mean that most are civilians!!
Reasonable assessment. However, if thousands of Hamas fighters had initially invaded an Israeli Village and taken the civilians as hostages in a stadium plus hospital, then would Israel have retaliated in the same manner as they did in Gaza? Highly unlikely, as they would have tried to free them through negotiations, or more likely in a ground offensive so that the civilians lives would not be compromised. They would not raze these venues to the ground like they did in Gaza.
Anyway, this whole conflict that is escalating to the West Bank is really sad. If the majority of the Governments around the Globe want a ceasefire, then it is time for all the sides involved in the conflict to find a resolution.
so you saw some children pulled out of the rubble and you extrapolated that data on 40,000 people and came to conclusion that most are civilians? Am I getting this right?
Israel has seen they can get away with genocide in Gaza and are now expanding to the West Bank.
To basketcase's claims: The fact that Israel has destroyed 80% of the buildings in Gaza, including hospitals, schools and universities, destroyed farms and water sources and withheld food and water to starvation levels are being used as evidence at the ICJ and ICC in the upcoming genocide charges.
You can't claim to be targeting just civilians when you are blocking food to 2 million people, 1/2 of whom are children. Aside from the casualties by bombings and snipers, which have been consistently reported as 70% women and children, using starvation as a tool of war is clear evidence of genocidal intent.
And you think that destruction like this was targeting only Hamas?
Of course you'll declare Oxfam antisemitic.
