Looks like there is Graft in the Harris Family too.....

Valcazar

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So is he guilty of the crimes he was found in court to have committed or not ?
That appears to be irrelevant to Butler.

Furthermore you must be outraged over the charges to hunter Biden for the same reasons and the relentless investigations into Joe Biden which turned up absolutely nothing. And this while the democrats were in power.
No.
Butler's warning seems to be that weaponization of the justice system is perfectly fine if it targets Democrats. (Since "they started it".)
 

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This is in contrast to speculating what something means (eg, if it involved Hunter Biden, it must involve his father).
You can't just refute Butler's entire method of epistemology like that, kherg!

One year suspension of statute of limitations? And then only charge him?
Once again - what is this referring to?

No problem, we got it. New real estate fraud charges only brought against him? Sure, we can do that.
Again - evidence fraud charges have never been brought against someone in real estate before?
 

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Well at least you are honest in your willful ignorance.
I guess the point here is that these allegations are about Harris' brother-in-law. Did Harris help him with this thing? Does she have any legal liability for whatever happens? The answer, and this might shock you or be controversial...is NO. So, in the real world (re: outside the right-wing fever swamp), this is a nothing burger. There are no ties to Harris, besides a familial relationship.

Now...when you look at all the shady shit for Trump -- He's either right in the middle of it, or its his kids. Now, should we blame Trump for shit that Don Jr., Eric or Ivanka do? Well, maybe. I mean, you can look at how Ivanka (and Jared) enriched herself during the Trump presidency. Did Kamala get money from ther BIL?

I'd call this another attempt by the right-wing Murdoch owned media to throw something at Harris and hope it sticks. But, it's just more right-wing bullshit.
 

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I think the New York real estate charges were a witch hunt because the DA campaigned on it and no charges against a single other individual Real Estate investor have been brought in NY.

I also thing any charges where the Statute of Limitations law were repealed for and no other persons were charged as well also show a clear bias in the system.

So basically my stance isn't whether or not he should have faced charges, but that they are actually applying charges only to him and giving others a pass, solely based on politics.

Either use the justice system equally, or not.

Or, be prepared for the same rules to apply when/there the Dems are not in power.

Are you prepared to accept that?
Did he campaign specifically on charging Trump with those offenses?

No.

What he basically said was that he would hold Trump accountable. It is important to remember that the previous DA had evidence and allegations from other trials (hello Michael Cohn) and testimony before the senate.

If you want to talk about the rule of law being equal, you are right, Trump was not treated as another defendant. He was given preferential treatment. He was able to travel and talk shit about the judge like no other defendant would ever try. He was figuratively handled with kid gloves.

And while the right wants to paint what happened to Trump as unprecedented or a witch hunt, its more like the US has never had a president who blatantly broke the law before, in and out of office. If you can find that Biden, Obama or Clinton did similar things, I'd say throw the book at them. And I'm sure the FBI or DOJ would have done so. But...alas, there just isn't any credible evidence of wrong doing.
 

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Why would I be outraged over legit charges like tax fraud? Lots of people have been charged with not paying taxes and spending it on lavish lifestyles.

Same with USA drug charges. And federal firearm offenses. Lots have faced those charges.

As for the rest? Tell you what, if NY goes on a tear and starts charging numerous real estate developers with the same crimes, then sure, the law is bring applied more equally. But if Trump is the only person to ever face those charges, then they are unfairly applied.

Why so worried about poor ol' Hunter? Daddy will bail him out one last time with a pardon. Continuing a long standing tradition of helping out nepo babies. And you can be glad for him.

As for Joe his own laywers argued he is too old and infirm to stand trial. I agree, which is why he should also resign as president.
Actually, Hunter's gun charges are rarely ever prosecuted. They tend to be grouped into a larger bundle of charges and negotiated away during the plea deal period.

As for Trump: Why do you think this is a rare event, that someone is charged and convicted for fraud? Overstating the value of properties to secure a loan is illegal. And what Trump did is NOT something most developers do, no matter how much the talking heads on Fox tell you. Now, I would say that the banks are culpable to an extent here, they did not do their own due diligence into this, considering Trump's reputation. But, the reality is that Trump got better terms and money that might have gone to other more worthy businesses.

And...where did Biden's lawyers say he couldn't stand a trial? It didn't happen. Thanks for playing.
 
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I guess the point here is that these allegations are about Harris' brother-in-law. Did Harris help him with this thing? Does she have any legal liability for whatever happens? The answer, and this might shock you or be controversial...is NO. So, in the real world (re: outside the right-wing fever swamp), this is a nothing burger. There are no ties to Harris, besides a familial relationship.
That's easy to fix.
When her BIL was doing this, Harris was AG in California.
At least some of these cases involved people in California, therefore she was involved.

That's all you need to set the horses off and running.

Remember the basic strategy that Trump happily laid out a couple of times.
  • He asked Zelensky to announce an investigation into Biden.
  • He asked the DOJ to just say that the election was corrupt and leave the rest to him and the Republican Congressmen.
The point is to get the ball rolling, you don't have to actually prove anything.

I'd call this another attempt by the right-wing Murdoch owned media to throw something at Harris and hope it sticks. But, it's just more right-wing bullshit.
And you would be correct.
Of course, there might actually be something. That's always a possibility.
It just isn't the point.
 
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Are Kamala Harris and Maya Harris full sisters? According to this immigration form, after Maya was born, Kamala Harris’s mother said she only had 1 Child on official immigration forms even though Kamala was born 2.5 years earlier. Something isn’t adding up here about Kamala Harris’s story about her mother and her sister
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Gotta love mitch under-cutting Butler here with irrelevant nonsense.
 
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Actually, Hunter's gun charges are rarely ever prosecuted. They tend to be grouped into a larger bundle of charges and negotiated away during the plea deal period.

As for Trump: Why do you think this is a rare event, that someone is charged and convicted for fraud? Overstating the value of properties to secure a loan is illegal. And what Trump did is NOT something most developers do, no matter how much the talking heads on Fox tell you. Now, I would say that the banks are culpable to an extent here, they did not do their own due diligence into this, considering Trump's reputation. But, the reality is that Trump got better terms and money that might have gone to other more worthy businesses.

And...where did Biden's lawyers say he couldn't stand a trial? It didn't happen. Thanks for playing.
It wasn't the talking heads in fox. It was real estate developers and market watchers on various business media that did.

Who else has been charged like this? Name them please.
 
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Val, you really are having problems following the conversation again. I wish you the best as you try to navigate this.
 
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Did he campaign specifically on charging Trump with those offenses?

No.

What he basically said was that he would hold Trump accountable. It is important to remember that the previous DA had evidence and allegations from other trials (hello Michael Cohn) and testimony before the senate.

If you want to talk about the rule of law being equal, you are right, Trump was not treated as another defendant. He was given preferential treatment. He was able to travel and talk shit about the judge like no other defendant would ever try. He was figuratively handled with kid gloves.

And while the right wants to paint what happened to Trump as unprecedented or a witch hunt, its more like the US has never had a president who blatantly broke the law before, in and out of office. If you can find that Biden, Obama or Clinton did similar things, I'd say throw the book at them. And I'm sure the FBI or DOJ would have done so. But...alas, there just isn't any credible evidence of wrong doing.
The DA did.


She has clearly stated her motives are political numerous times.
 
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It wasn't the talking heads in fox. It was real estate developers and market watchers on various business media that did.

Who else has been charged like this? Name them please.
Name who was charged for lying on a gun application who has committed no other crimes - I dare you to. The Supreme Court said that those laws are unconstitutional and Florida doesn't even have a penalty for Hunters 'crime'. Furthermore red states never prosecute this 'crime'
 

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Val, you really are having problems following the conversation again. I wish you the best as you try to navigate this.
Asking you for proof is "problems following the conversation"?
I like that one - just a shameless ink cloud of avoidance by you.
 

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