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dirtydaveiii

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Well at least you are honest in your willful ignorance.
Do you really believe that Trump was wrongly found to have committed crimes in 3 different courts with 3 different judges, 2 different juries, the juries who voted that there was enough evidence to bring the charges in the first place ? Wow he must have incredibly bad luck, the odds would be in the trillions to one.
 

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Do you really believe that Trump was wrongly found to have committed crimes in 3 different courts with 3 different judges, 2 different juries, the juries who voted that there was enough evidence to bring the charges in the first place ? Wow he must have incredibly bad luck, the odds would be in the trillions to one.
I think the New York real estate charges were a witch hunt because the DA campaigned on it and no charges against a single other individual Real Estate investor have been brought in NY.

I also thing any charges where the Statute of Limitations law were repealed for and no other persons were charged as well also show a clear bias in the system.

So basically my stance isn't whether or not he should have faced charges, but that they are actually applying charges only to him and giving others a pass, solely based on politics.

Either use the justice system equally, or not.

Or, be prepared for the same rules to apply when/there the Dems are not in power.

Are you prepared to accept that?
 

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Here's some real journalism from a pulitzer prize winning author:
 

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I think the New York real estate charges were a witch hunt because the DA campaigned on it and no charges against a single other individual Real Estate investor have been brought in NY.

I also thing any charges where the Statute of Limitations law were repealed for and no other persons were charged as well also show a clear bias in the system.

So basically my stance isn't whether or not he should have faced charges, but that they are actually applying charges only to him and giving others a pass, solely based on politics.

Either use the justice system equally, or not.

Or, be prepared for the same rules to apply when/there the Dems are not in power.

Are you prepared to accept that?
So is he guilty of the crimes he was found in court to have committed or not ?

Furthermore you must be outraged over the charges to hunter Biden for the same reasons and the relentless investigations into Joe Biden which turned up absolutely nothing. And this while the democrats were in power.
 
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Butler1000

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So is he guilty of the crimes he was found in court to have committed or not ?

Furthermore you must be outraged over the charges to hunter Biden for the same reasons and the relentless investigations into Joe Biden which turned up absolutely nothing. And this while the democrats were in power.
Why would I be outraged over legit charges like tax fraud? Lots of people have been charged with not paying taxes and spending it on lavish lifestyles.

Same with USA drug charges. And federal firearm offenses. Lots have faced those charges.

As for the rest? Tell you what, if NY goes on a tear and starts charging numerous real estate developers with the same crimes, then sure, the law is bring applied more equally. But if Trump is the only person to ever face those charges, then they are unfairly applied.

Why so worried about poor ol' Hunter? Daddy will bail him out one last time with a pardon. Continuing a long standing tradition of helping out nepo babies. And you can be glad for him.

As for Joe his own laywers argued he is too old and infirm to stand trial. I agree, which is why he should also resign as president.
 

Butler1000

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Here's some real journalism from a pulitzer prize winning author:
I'm sure it was worth the money to pad your confirmation bias......
 
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I'm sure it was worth the money to pad your confirmation bias......
It's based on evidence. First hand accounts of what Trump tried to do. And, it follows proper journalistic standards, such as to get independent confirmation of information. Eg, trump did fire comey, and did brag to the Russians how it helped him shut down the Russia investigation.

This is in contrast to speculating what something means (eg, if it involved Hunter Biden, it must involve his father).

I base my opinions on evidence. I change them if the evidence is methodologically flawed, or if the evidence changes. I don't draw conclusions based upon speculation.
This is not derangement. It's the exact opposite. It was the basis for the explosion of science and innovation that catapulted Europe to the top of science and technology.
At some point in your life you must have taken a course on research methods. Review the old notes.
 

Butler1000

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It's based on evidence. First hand accounts of what Trump tried to do. And, it follows proper journalistic standards, such as to get independent confirmation of information. Eg, trump did fire comey, and did brag to the Russians how it helped him shut down the Russia investigation.

This is in contrast to speculating what something means (eg, if it involved Hunter Biden, it must involve his father).

I base my opinions on evidence. I change them if the evidence is methodologically flawed, or if the evidence changes. I don't draw conclusions based upon speculation.
This is not derangement. It's the exact opposite. It was the basis for the explosion of science and innovation that catapulted Europe to the top of science and technology.
At some point in your life you must have taken a course on research methods. Review the old notes.
So based on people. Who have opinions and biases. Are there actual recordings of conversations? Emails? Other correspondence?

Look I'm sure Trump has done lots of shit, skirted the law, probably broken it. But the problem is they aren't going after him for these things really. They are making up things based on what they think will hurt him the most politically, not what he has actually done.

Why not bust him on what is real? The problem you have, is the rest of the politicians have set up the corruption laws to prevent themselves from ever facing charges. With the intent of it being a nice little club they controlled access to via the two party system and the primary system, as well as control of the mainstream media and donor money allocation.

Only now the internet and social media has changed the rules. Anyone can get in. At least short term. That's how the tea party got in, and the Squad. And that is absolutely how Trump got in. The gates are open now, although as seen the last three Dem primaries they are closing it up again.

They can't have a China shop bull like Trump, who is crass in his bad dealings, or any reformers in to upset the big con going on. And they can't even use the law because they rigged it. So they are making shit up as they go along.

One year suspension of statute of limitations? And then only charge him? No problem, we got it. New real estate fraud charges only brought against him? Sure, we can do that.

I speak to Americans every week. If you don't think they noticed, even partisans who admit that they are willing to see false charges just to keep him out, you aren't really looking. They know what's happening.
 

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I didn't have to dig. It's a New York legacy media outlet. Reporting on legitimate concerns. Would you prefer the media not ever report on government corruption?
No, but be fair and balanced in what you choose to post from the mediA.. All you do is attack the Dems. The Repugs are way more corrupt, but largely get a pass from you.
 

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No, but be fair and balanced in what you choose to post from the mediA.. All you do is attack the Dems. The Repugs are way more corrupt, but largely get a pass from you.
They are about equal. I know you don't think so but if actually looked at the bipartisan legislation and money allocation in Congress you would realize the most corruption passes that way. Military appropriation, healthcare, banking legislation, infrastructure legislation(don't doubt it will go to the biggest established donors like Haliburton).

This is why I enjoy trashing the Dems. The GOP are indeed quite corrupt. But then you come along and try to say the Dems aren't, or you are willing to give theirs a pass, because of those oh so dastardly Republicans. Meanwhile they live in the same neighborhoods, are members of the same clubs, they and kids attend the same schools, vacation in the same exclusive places, and share about 80% of the same donors.

And you fall for it.
 
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They are about equal. I know you don't think so but if actually looked at the bipartisan legislation and money allocation in Congress you would realize the most corruption passes that way. Military appropriation, healthcare, banking legislation, infrastructure legislation(don't doubt it will go to the biggest established donors like Haliburton).

This is why I enjoy trashing the Dems. The GOP are indeed quite corrupt. But then you come along and try to say the Dems aren't, or you are willing to give theirs a pass, because of those oh so dastardly Republicans. Meanwhile they live in the same neighborhoods, are members of the same clubs, they and kids attend the same schools, vacation in the same exclusive places, and share about 80% of the same donors.

And you fall for it.
You just obsessively post about the Dems and ignore the Reepugs.

Because that makes you feel superior to everyone else in the forum.

BTW, are you still supporting Brain Worm Guy, RFK JR?
 
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You just obsessively post about the Dems and ignore the Reepugs.

Because that makes you feel superior to everyone else in the forum.

BTW, are you still supporting Brain Worm Guy, RFK JR?
What has the repugs done so far? They haven't kicked a sitting president who's also the nominee to the curb because he turns out to be obsolete...exposed...they were ready to bet on Biden until the public found out.. now as if nothing r3ally happened...democrats doing undemocratic things is such an irony..m
 

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Why would I be outraged over legit charges like tax fraud? Lots of people have been charged with not paying taxes and spending it on lavish lifestyles.

Same with USA drug charges. And federal firearm offenses. Lots have faced those charges.

As for the rest? Tell you what, if NY goes on a tear and starts charging numerous real estate developers with the same crimes, then sure, the law is bring applied more equally. But if Trump is the only person to ever face those charges, then they are unfairly applied.

Why so worried about poor ol' Hunter? Daddy will bail him out one last time with a pardon. Continuing a long standing tradition of helping out nepo babies. And you can be glad for him.

As for Joe his own laywers argued he is too old and infirm to stand trial. I agree, which is why he should also resign as president.
You must be confused with Donnies fraud convictions. Nobody was ever charged with only the charge of lying on a form to buy a gun without having other charges. Donnies election fraud was.within the statute of limitations and Republicans had john Edward's charged for EXACTLY the same thing. Sp what's your excuse for the 34 felonies.?
 

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You must be confused with Donnies fraud convictions. Nobody was ever charged with only the charge of lying on a form to buy a gun without having other charges. Donnies election fraud was.within the statute of limitations and Republicans had john Edward's charged for EXACTLY the same thing. Sp what's your excuse for the 34 felonies.?
You are all over the place. Are you discussing Hunter? State charges, federal charges? Ypu need to be more specific and not scattershot.
 
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dirtydaveiii

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You are all over the place. Are you discussing Hunter? State charges, federal charges? Ypu need to be more specific and not scattershot.
I'm talking now about donnies 34 felony convictions. Are those real or is it somehow another ploy to get Donnie? If you deny the e Jean carrol sexual assault and the civil court fraud, how do you explain the 34 felony convictions ?
 

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I'm talking now about donnies 34 felony convictions. Are those real or is it somehow another ploy to get Donnie? If you deny the e Jean carrol sexual assault and the civil court fraud, how do you explain the 34 felony convictions ?
Was that all of the NY state charges? Look above, I discussed that.
 
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ohmerhghad, Harris Derangement Syndrome. ;)

If you support Trump then you don't have the moral authority to point out anything.

It's her or Trump, so pretty much yeah, Trump really is that bad, she gets a pass for just about anything she might or considering the track record of Trump and his cultists might not have done]
That is sadly the choice there is.

I am no fan of Harris, the opposite of a fan, but the alternative is so much worse that even if whatever the OP claims is true... meh. I can't vote, I don't vote, but if I could and must, give me something meaty to work with.


I have no ideas what the claims are, probably a huge nothing burger like the claims about her VP which MItchel keeps ranting about even though they have been debunked, so I don't care much to look into it. But no matter how bad it is, she still ain't trump. I am a bit sick and tired of people who support literal treason, lies and bullshittery freaking out over every little thing they "think" Harris and pal has done.

Better love story than Twilight.
I might get a sore butthole from having drinks with Bill Cosby, but it's nothing compared to spending even 1 second with history's greatest monster Justin Beiber <shudder>
BTS might be pure misery, but if the other option is listening to Butt Metal, a small price to pay.
You’re not a smart guy.
 
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He is indicted for fomenting an insurrection (sedition). Dozens of people who listened to him are in gaol. We heard it all with our own eyes.the Jan 6 committee had first hand accounts.
He was indicted for stealing government documents. Then lying about it. Then lying about it again. We see this with our own eyes. People who stole fewer such docs in the past got 5- 10 years in prison.
He bullied for votes in Georgia which is not legal. We have a recording.
So to say this is about innuendo or whatever is patently false.
He was convicted of election interference. He is awaiting sentencing. His lawyer was already convicted 3 years ago and served 2+ years gaol time. Trump should have been indicted for obstruction of justice, as the case was clearly layed out by Mueller.
He seems to have taken bribes (from egypt), lied about not taking a salary, charged the us government top dollar when insisting on staying in his own properties, etc.
He has been found to have committed fraud on numerous occasions (including his charity), has been ruled to have committed sexual assault.
Again, facts. Not innuendo. If you think anyone can get a conviction anytime, ask how Bill Barr's handpicked guy John Durham did. Mueller got dozens of indictments and convictions. Durham got more time to investigate than Mueller and could only get 2 indictments and only one minor conviction that got tossed later.
 

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