The Israel Lobby

southpaw

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First, yes, all those groups lobby. US law allows them to.
Foreign groups also have a huge role in university educations which they use to promote their agendas.
First, lobbying. Please share where they've spent money on US elections. Not on lobbying sitting reps, but influencing who becomes a rep to begin with.

Second, universities. If foreign governments are funding them (aside from tuition for international students) get rid of it. All of it.

And third, you said it yourself. Foreign groups. Make AIPAC register as foreign lobbyists.
 

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First, lobbying. Please share where they've spent money on US elections. Not on lobbying sitting reps, but influencing who becomes a rep to begin with.
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Are you really claiming that anti-Israel people don't donate to political campaigns?

And the biggest idiocy is you demanding Jews be the only group of Americans who are considered foreigners.
 

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You're against it when Russians or Chinese do it but support it when its done for Israel.
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Where have I said it is illegal for Americans to lobby on behalf of better relations with China or Russia? I would be upset if the government listened but I am not going to go racist like you and pretend that Americans of Chinese descent are all Chinese agents.
 

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Arguing that its antisemitic to criticize zionism is an antisemitic trope.
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Arguing that your obsessive condemnation of Israel, your clear double standards, your demonizing claims about Canadian and American Jews subjugating their governments, claiming that a few million Palestinians have self determination but a few million jews don't are a part of your virulent antisemitsm.
 

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Are you really claiming that anti-Israel people don't donate to political campaigns?
No, I'm claiming that you're full of shit because you have not provided any evidence.

I'll ask again: Please share where foreign lobbies spent money on US elections.
 
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Where have I said it is illegal for Americans to lobby on behalf of better relations with China or Russia? I would be upset if the government listened but I am not going to go racist like you and pretend that Americans of Chinese descent are all Chinese agents.
How many of them are dual citizens?
Blinken is a dual citizen who volunteered to fight for a foreign army.

 

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You're just uncritically reposting tweets from avowed white supremacist neo-Nazis now?
My bad, I was curious about how many AIPAC members and members of government are dual citizens so grabbed the first post without checking the author. Fixed now.

It does tread into that area of 'loyalty' but its an interesting question. Though I expect that US representatives are just more loyal to AIPAC cash directly.
 

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How many of them are dual citizens?
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You obviously don't care if any are because in the racist dogma you adhere to believes that all jews are part of a conspiracy and only loyal to each other. You've been clear that you refuse to believe Jews are just people with a diversity of opinions because your conspiracy pushing mindset is too ingrained with hatred.


And the fact that you are parroting white supremacist talking points would cause most people to reflect on their biases.
 

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You obviously don't care if any are because in the racist dogma you adhere to believes that all jews are part of a conspiracy and only loyal to each other. You've been clear that you refuse to believe Jews are just people with a diversity of opinions because your conspiracy pushing mindset is too ingrained with hatred.


And the fact that you are parroting white supremacist talking points would cause most people to reflect on their biases.
Stop pushing that trope, basketcase.
Its zionists that are the problem, dual citizen zionists.

Only 40% of US Jews are zionists.
You're a minority within a minority pushing for racial supremacy on a smaller minority.

 
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Please share where foreign lobbies spent money on US elections.
Your whole opposition to groups like AIPAC is that they pay off American politicians to be Israel's lapdog. Now you are openly questioning it.

You are finally admitting that that is nothing more than an anti-Semitic trope. You realize that American support comes from nothing more than the fact that Israel is the US' greatest ally in the ME.
 

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Your whole opposition to groups like AIPAC is that they pay off American politicians to be Israel's lapdog. Now you are openly questioning it.
What kind of non-sequitur is that? How am I questioning it?

I'm questioning if there are any lobbies for other foreign countries that buy US politicians, besides Israel.
 
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Your whole opposition to groups like AIPAC is that they pay off American politicians to be Israel's lapdog. Now you are openly questioning it.

You are finally admitting that that is nothing more than an anti-Semitic trope. You realize that American support comes from nothing more than the fact that Israel is the US' greatest ally in the ME.
What other country would spend $25 million to keep one US politician from office?
 

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What other country would spend $25 million to keep one US politician from office?
It wasn't a foreign country. It was US citizens who care more for that foreign country than their own. The America Second crowd.
 

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What kind of non-sequitur is that? How am I questioning it?

I'm questioning if there are any lobbies for other foreign countries that buy US politicians, besides Israel.
Israel does not buy politicians. Israel simply supports American interests in the area by providing intelligence and deterring the Iranian nuclear program.. No other country does that. There is no price that can be put on that.
 
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