Kamala on Cloud Storage

[silentkisser]

I think we continue to have two bad candidates. Neither of whom should be president. But that this continuing thought that the Flaws of one shouldn't be pointed out because you don't like the other one shows how weak Kamala is.

It's like you are afraid she will be exposed.

I think you should understand a few things: I am not American, so I have no skin in this game. As a Canadian, I worry about the ramifications of both of them for our country. Neither will be great, though I suspect Trump would be much worse.
But, that being said, Harris is smarter, savvier and better equipped to lead the US than Trump ever was. He might be the king of stupid nicknames and mean girl tweets, but he does not have the temperament or intellectual capacity to be an effective leader. He proved that during his first administration. I still say this: if he showed real leadership back in March 2020, he would be president today. GWB was headed to be a one-term president until 9/11, and say what you will, he was able to show leadership and was re-elected.

And seeing Trump try to call her low IQ considering all the stupid shit he's said or done over, hell, just the past few months, that is the epitome of hypocrisy.

I'll also say this: Trump is a threat to US democracy. He already tried to use violence to stay in power for an election HE KNEW HE LOST! He pushed conspiracy theories and lied about virtually all aspects of the election. If he does gain power, he will certainly use Project 2025 (or at least large chunks of it) to subvert the existing checks and balances of the US system to ram his radical conservative agenda down the throats of Americans. You can call that lefty fear mongering, but we all know it's true...

 

[benstt]

It's just how some people talk about the cloud because you decentralize your files. You just work on them, save them, back them up, without having a clue where they are stored. And you don't care.

I believe it comes from old school network diagrams. A company's local network, or your home network would be drawn in detail, but anything past your firewall into the internet was drawn as a big fuzzy cloud. So the internet became a cloud in marketing to dumb it down.

Cloud storage just means the data is stored in the internet somewhere, and you don't need to know where it is at any given time. Boffins at the other end know and take care of that.

I give people a huge break when they try to explain technical matters using physical analogies like file cabinets. Analogies are effective and get the point across, and drive pedantic people crazy, but that's fine.

 

[Valcazar]

Um. Being a decent communicator is in the job description. She isn't really cutting it when she sounds like this.

Leader of the free world and all that......

Anyone can sound like an idiot when edited.
That's the point of putting out edited clips for the rubes to fall for and amplify like good little wind-up toys.

What do you object to in her analogy of the evolution of privacy law?

 

[Butler1000]

Anyone can sound like an idiot when edited.
That's the point of putting out edited clips for the rubes to fall for and amplify like good little wind-up toys.

What do you object to in her analogy of the evolution of privacy law?

Clever editing is not required. Give her a teleprompter she is fine. Make her think on her feet and she loses it. That has been proven in several one on ones.

That's why she is avoiding pressers.

 

[Valcazar]

You mean Francis W. Reichelderfer, the head of the U.S. Weather Bureau 1938-63?

Deep cut.
Well done.

 

[Valcazar]

So far, you got her on vaguely gesturing skyward and making a reference to "the cloud".

Killer stuff!

Come on, Mandrill.
You know how convincing a 20-second edit out of an hour long conversation is to the gullible.

 

[richaceg]

Not to mention the studies on how dim you have to be to think rump is smart.

He's smart enough to beat Hilary Clinton...and become POTUS

 

[mandrill]

Clever editing is not required. Give her a teleprompter she is fine. Make her think on her feet and she loses it. That has been proven in several one on ones.

That's why she is avoiding pressers.

Why would "thinking on her feet" be the optimum skill set for the job she seeks?!

You feel maybe she should "think on her feet" about dropping a nuke on China or North Korea??!!

Or how about "thinking on her feet" about major economic policy decisions??!!

The thinking on your feet stuff is horseshit.

 

[Valcazar]

The way she explained it sounds like she doesn't realize the information is stored in servers. She thinks the Cloud actually means it's somehow stored in the air.

Yes, it was cut specifically to give that impression.

If you only knew the number of times over the years I heard marketing people say the same thing

It's just how some people talk about the cloud because you decentralize your files. You just work on them, save them, back them up, without having a clue where they are stored. And you don't care.

This is over a decade ago and she's speaking to a general audience. Not surprising she is using that metaphor.

Of course, if you listen to the actual talk, you realize the fact it is in "the cloud" is important to what she's talking about, since the whole discussion is about privacy law and how it applies.
The location of the physical server is irrelevant to her point that it is not a single physical file in your home.
(She goes on to talk about theft law and copyright as well.)

The whole point of editing it this way is to bait the rubes and make them say idiotic things like "She thinks the Cloud actually means it's somehow stored in the air."

 

[Valcazar]

I give people a huge break when they try to explain technical matters using physical analogies like file cabinets. Analogies are effective and get the point across, and drive pedantic people crazy, but that's fine.

The whole point she was making is that privacy law is based on the physical and that extending that analogy to what's happening with computers is a problem.

 

[Valcazar]

Clever editing is not required.

And yet you specifically chose an edited clip and have been saying it shows she can't explain cloud computing.

If it is so obvious and been proved, why do something that makes you look so easily fooled?

 

[Valcazar]

Why would "thinking on her feet" be the optimum skill set for the job she seeks?!

You feel maybe she should "think on her feet" about dropping a nuke on China or North Korea??!!

Or how about "thinking on her feet" about major economic policy decisions??!!

The thinking on your feet stuff is horseshit.

It isn't the optimum skill for the job.
It is something people react to on a campaign.

As has been pointed out many times, the skill set for campaigning and the skill set for being a good elected official aren't the same.

You're also forgetting Butler's repeated preference for messaging and narrative over policy and results when it comes to politics.
Skill with that is at least partially represented by "thinking on your feet" so naturally he values that.

But that's all kind of besides the point.

Butler is convinced that if she does a press conference of the kind he wants, there will be a stumble that can be used to propel a "Kamala is dumb" narrative in the press and give a boost to Trump's campaign.
That's why he is demanding she do something where someone can make a gotcha clip out of it.
Right now he is forced to settle for 20-second clips snipped from forum presentations over a decade old.

He needs something new to hang the story on.

 

[mandrill]

It isn't the optimum skill for the job.
It is something people react to on a campaign.

As has been pointed out many times, the skill set for campaigning and the skill set for being a good elected official aren't the same.

You're also forgetting Butler's repeated preference for messaging and narrative over policy and results when it comes to politics.
Skill with that is at least partially represented by "thinking on your feet" so naturally he values that.

But that's all kind of besides the point.

Butler is convinced that if she does a press conference of the kind he wants, there will be a stumble that can be used to propel a "Kamala is dumb" narrative in the press and give a boost to Trump's campaign.
That's why he is demanding she do something where someone can make a gotcha clip out of it.
Right now he is forced to settle for 20-second clips snipped from forum presentations over a decade old.

He needs something new to hang the story on.

There will inevitably be an out of context "Kamala is dumb" 15 second clip from whatever public appearance she makes in any event. So he will be happy - or happily outraged - again.

 

[mandrill]

The way she explained it sounds like she doesn't realize the information is stored in servers. She thinks the Cloud actually means it's somehow stored in the air.

But it's transmitted through the air from the server to your computer....

 

[Valcazar]

There will inevitably be an out of context "Kamala is dumb" 15 second clip from whatever public appearance she makes in any event. So he will be happy - or happily outraged - again.

There are already a bunch from speeches she gave.
Mitch has posted quite a few.
They are just too embarrassing even for Butler to pretend they are convincing.

 

[Butler1000]

Yes, it was cut specifically to give that impression.






This is over a decade ago and she's speaking to a general audience. Not surprising she is using that metaphor.

Of course, if you listen to the actual talk, you realize the fact it is in "the cloud" is important to what she's talking about, since the whole discussion is about privacy law and how it applies.
The location of the physical server is irrelevant to her point that it is not a single physical file in your home.
(She goes on to talk about theft law and copyright as well.)

The whole point of editing it this way is to bait the rubes and make them say idiotic things like "She thinks the Cloud actually means it's somehow stored in the air."

Keep on making excuses.....I'm sure it was just due to a stutter.

 

[Leimonis]

If this is the best compromat that they were able to come up with so far it only proves to me that she must be really smart and really good speaker. And so-called conservatives seem to be desperate as fuck.

 

[Valcazar]

Keep on making excuses.....I'm sure it was just due to a stutter.

You're really afraid to go look at her actual talk, aren't you?

 

[SchlongConery]

Clever editing is not required. Give her a teleprompter she is fine. Make her think on her feet and she loses it. That has been proven in several one on ones.

That's why she is avoiding pressers.

She was a respected and effective practicing criminal prosecutor. Can;t think of a more unforgiving forum not to be able to think and speak on your feet.

Maybe she has the wisdom to know when to keep her mouth shut and stick to the program so as to make bottom dwellers make themselves look like idiots for trying to pick apart semantics of audio clips?

Do you really think that a person who went to law school, became a criminal prosecutor, District Attorney and Attorney General of California doesn't understand digital storage? FFS, it's been a practical evidentiary matter for decades. You really think she thinks documents are evaporated and stored in condensed atmospheric forms? Or that her audience doesn't understand what she is speaking about when it comes to privacy and evidentiary matters when it comes to digital vs physical records? Because that was the subject of the discussion.

Unlike Trump who does NOT and cannot use a computer, least of all understand the basics of computing. Who would actually believe that data is literally stored in a cloud.

 

[Butler1000]

She was a respected and effective practicing criminal prosecutor. Can;t think of a more unforgiving forum not to be able to think and speak on your feet.

Maybe she has the wisdom to know when to keep her mouth shut and stick to the program so as to make bottom dwellers make themselves look like idiots for trying to pick apart semantics of audio clips?

Do you really think that a person who went to law school, became a criminal prosecutor, District Attorney and Attorney General of California doesn't understand digital storage? FFS, it's been a practical evidentiary matter for decades. You really think she thinks documents are evaporated and stored in condensed atmospheric forms? Or that her audience doesn't understand what she is speaking about when it comes to privacy and evidentiary matters when it comes to digital vs physical records? Because that was the subject of the discussion.

Unlike Trump who does NOT and cannot use a computer, least of all understand the basics of computing. Who would actually believe that data is literally stored in a cloud.

Um. So ask any lawyer they never ask a question in court they don't know the answer too. And pretty much the rest is formulaic and scripted in court. It's not L.A Law.

And no, she is quite well known for not being prepped and blaming staff

https://www.politico.com/news/2021/06/30/kamala-harris-office-dissent-497290

And look at her interviews. She sounds like a kid caught trying to talk her way through a book report when she hasn't read the book.

As for cloud storage knowledge, do you know how many CEO's have trouble with E-mail? Her position doesn't impart knowledge.