Get ready Kamala fans...this is just the beginning

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It's not a scandal of course.

People like the French just laugh at us all. I think Americans on all sides are tired of hearing about the sexual lives of politicians and in this case their spouses.
I guess Trump normalized rape, fraud, extra marital affairs. It is ok now and even cool.
 

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I guess Trump normalized rape, fraud, extra marital affairs. It is ok now and even cool.
Please respond to my posts in context. Your cooperation is greatly appreciated.
 

Valcazar

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Something doesn't seem substantive. It seems more like her favorability benefited from a snapback from throwing Biden off the ticket.

While obviously a big favorable move is better than not, I get the vibe that moderate and independent voters are holding their nose to some degree to vote for whoever Biden, Harris or Trump. Look at it this way, I don't think Harris' favorability would have gone up if she had started in a Democratic primary and had to compete against other prominent Democrats. She wouldn't even be the nominee.

Does that make sense? She's benefiting from conditional favorables that aren't deep. It could certainly win her the election though.
It's plausible.

I think it is more likely that her previous favorable/unfavorable numbers weren't really based on anything solid.
Just sort of "vibes about the concept of Kamala Harris".

So this sort of a general whiplash mix of a bunch of things.

They may well fall to what they were before the announcement, but it won't be the same sort of one week move.

I just can't remember the last time I saw favorable/unfavorable move like that in either direction that fast.
 

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is that a radical proposition? That has been a law in Canada for a long time and it seems to work well
I think that's the law in a number of states as well, at least for the most serious felony sex crimes.
(Most states still have limitations on some felony sex crimes. It's a bit of a patchwork.)
 

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1. I dont believe he's a racist
2. I dont believe he's a rapist
3. I dont believe he wants to overthrow the US government
Incorrect three out of three!
Impressive.
Ehh, racist seems to be a much stronger concept for progressives. As in, if you don't go along with our progressive ideas on racial justice you are a racist. In twenty years, I suddenly became a racist I think in the past Kamala has supported reparations. Can a white male disagree without the label of racist being applied?

Rapist? Do you really think people are digging the idea of going back to 1995 to uncover alleged rapists? Sounds too much like a cultural war gone horribly bad.

Overthrow the U.S. govt? Amazingly, those who decry against State's Rights happily defend Democratic State leaders intervening into State election processes. I'm afraid electoral gamesmanship will be apart of our system for a great while. Hillary Clinton was screwed over. Trump was screwed over.......and on and on. You know the voting processes in many Red States is racist. How can any elections ever be fair? Perhaps the Blue States should to try to counterbalance the inherent fairness. Comprendez-vous?
 

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It's plausible.

I think it is more likely that her previous favorable/unfavorable numbers weren't really based on anything solid.
Just sort of "vibes about the concept of Kamala Harris".

So this sort of a general whiplash mix of a bunch of things.

They may well fall to what they were before the announcement, but it won't be the same sort of one week move.

I just can't remember the last time I saw favorable/unfavorable move like that in either direction that fast.
Okay, perhaps Kamala was not as substantively unpopular as polls were reading. If you ever caught my opinion, I always thought Kamala dumping was way overdone.

I noticed Trump's favorability also improved this year and he is still the same asshole as he always was. Favorability/unfavorability is always influenced by the choices before those being polled. It's kind of like polling incumbents versus an undetermined opponent. Once you have to make a clear choice the decision becomes more real.

From what I have seen Kamala has rizz as the younger folk say. From her 2020 miscues, I still don't know if she is a great politician. The 100 day campaign is built for a candidate with rizz who can just start with a reset. In other words, lots of Kamala energy and charisma, lots of Trump the bad, bad guy and little of wait, what does she stand for.

Friday's jobs number presents a headwind. Hopefully, future economic data won't hit hard and doesn't interfere with the Kamala coronation.
 
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The entire problem with the NYDA's case is misclassification itself happens all the time. The penalty is a minor fine. I don't think anyone here would bet against it getting thrown out by an appeals court. The tell will be when the Judge rules on sentencing. He doesn't want to bring any more attention to the circus he helped create in his court. I'm guessing the big, bad felon gets a fine and probation.
A fine and probation of some kind is probably the expected penalty, isn't it?

Maybe minor jail time that is done as house arrest or on weekends or something.

Even bumped up to a felony, this is a first time offender, a white-collar crime, and each felony isn't counted separately for sentencing.
I'd be very shocked if this was some kind of huge prison sentence. I'd be slightly shocked if there is one at all, actually.

And I'm good with that, since I think prison sentences are too long in the US overall, anyway.
 

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I expect both parties to get more votes than they got in 2020.
Turnout will still probably be high and the population has grown.
We won't try to explain population growth over time on voting totals.

Franklin Roosevelt was elected for the first time with just under 23 million votes.
 

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I thought it makes an interesting argument in a visual manner. I don't know much about Walz, but I heard he was a good politician although I could say that about others in the diagram. I'm sure the prog squad here will find this objectionable, but Democrats can't be progressive 24/7 without turning off voters in the center.

"Moderate white guy vibes" cracked me up. As appealing as Whitmer is as a candidate, running her on the ticket with Kamala doesn't really make a lot of sense. My opinion is that Whitmer realized this and she also wants a fresh start when she runs for the Presidency.
I think Whitmer bowed out for the kind of reasons you put here.
She was an unlikely pick for VP and wasn't ready to make a run now so didn't step up.

As for the Venn diagram, you can always nit pick, but I think it got the basic vibe of how Walz supporters view the situation.

I keep hearing Shapiro is the front runner but am at a bit of a loss as to why.
The idea he would help win Pennsylvania doesn't seem very well supported by evidence and he seems to have the strongest bloc of people who don't want him.

At this point, I don't think any of them hurt her much (which is all you really need here). There are probably marginal advantages and disadvantages to each, so I suspect it is going to come down to who she vibes with best as a partner.
 

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Maybe minor jail time that is done as house arrest or on weekends or something.
No, I don't think so. I think sentencing will be kind of frivolous.

Just being able to label Trump as a "felon" accomplished what the prosecutor wanted. It doesn't matter if the decision is overturned or remanded after the election.
 

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I think Whitmer bowed out for the kind of reasons you put here.
She was an unlikely pick for VP and wasn't ready to make a run now so didn't step up.

As for the Venn diagram, you can always nit pick, but I think it got the basic vibe of how Walz supporters view the situation.

I keep hearing Shapiro is the front runner but am at a bit of a loss as to why.
The idea he would help win Pennsylvania doesn't seem very well supported by evidence and he seems to have the strongest bloc of people who don't want him.

At this point, I don't think any of them hurt her much (which is all you really need here). There are probably marginal advantages and disadvantages to each, so I suspect it is going to come down to who she vibes with best as a partner.
I agree.
 
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It's not a scandal of course.

People like the French just laugh at us all. I think Americans on all sides are tired of hearing about the sexual lives of politicians and in this case their spouses.
Hopefully that's true.
I find it ridiculous this even got brought up.
But look at some of the "politicized" issues that have had major play in the last year.
That something is stupid and unimportant doesn't really mean it won't become the latest thing.
 

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Ehh, racist seems to be a much stronger concept for progressives. As in, if you don't go along with our progressive ideas on racial justice you are a racist. In twenty years, I suddenly became a racist I think in the past Kamala has supported reparations. Can a white male disagree without the label of racist being applied?
Yes, obviously so.
Trump's racism is pretty clean cut, though, even by old school standards.

Rapist? Do you really think people are digging the idea of going back to 1995 to uncover alleged rapists? Sounds too much like a cultural war gone horribly bad.
I think someone who sexually assaults people is a rapist, yes.
I am not alone in this perception.
I am not alone in the perception that Trump has done this, even to the point of it being adjudicated in a court of law.

So legally, I am perfectly correct to call him a rapist.
Of course, I don't believe that's the only standard, but it is nice to be backed up by the courts.

Overthrow the U.S. govt?
I will give this one back.
Since he would just be overthrowing democracy and making it an illiberal state/autocracy but not overthrowing the government itself (since he would be the government) then this one can be a no.
Going forward, I do not think he wants to overthrow the US government.

Amazingly, those who decry against State's Rights happily defend Democratic State leaders intervening into State election processes. I'm afraid electoral gamesmanship will be apart of our system for a great while.
Hillary Clinton was screwed over. Trump was screwed over.......and on and on. You know the voting processes in many Red States is racist. How can any elections ever be fair? Perhaps the Blue States should to try to counterbalance the inherent fairness. Comprendez-vous?
No.
You just seem to be spouting random bullshit, actually. :)

Unless your point is "Democracy as practiced in the US is flawed, so why pretend we have it? Best to get rid of the pretense," which I would like to think you don't actually believe.
 

Valcazar

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Okay, perhaps Kamala was not as substantively unpopular as polls were reading. If you ever caught my opinion, I always thought Kamala dumping was way overdone.
I remember you not being impressed with it much.
I always thought her numbers weren't based on much that was real, but I still didn't expect them to shift that fast.

I noticed Trump's favorability also improved this year and he is still the same asshole as he always was. Favorability/unfavorability is always influenced by the choices before those being polled. It's kind of like polling incumbents versus an undetermined opponent. Once you have to make a clear choice the decision becomes more real.
It does tend to move and does move some in response to particular events - it just doesn't tend to move sharply. These drifts tend to be more gradual over time.
Maybe I am wrong and there are more dramatic examples I am completely forgetting.

Anyway, it's already stopped that sharp movement, which is what I would expect.
That wasn't going to last.
Moves will be more typically gradual from now on, I would guess.


From what I have seen Kamala has rizz as the younger folk say. From her 2020 miscues, I still don't know if she is a great politician. The 100 day campaign is built for a candidate with rizz who can just start with a reset. In other words, lots of Kamala energy and charisma, lots of Trump the bad, bad guy and little of wait, what does she stand for.
Hard to say if her 2019 experience was indicative of her being a bad campaigner in general or just a learning experience that she drew lessons from.
No idea and this 100 day sprint is a different beast altogether so I am not sure how much we can draw from it.

Friday's jobs number presents a headwind. Hopefully, future economic data won't hit hard and doesn't interfere with the Kamala coronation.
Outside factors are always going to play a role.
Job numbers, tensions getting worse or better in the middle east, China doing something dramatic, etc.
Not much to be done about that except roll with them as they come.
 
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It's not a scandal of course.

People like the French just laugh at us all. I think Americans on all sides are tired of hearing about the sexual lives of politicians and in this case their spouses.
It’s almost like it wasn’t worth committing felonies to hide an infidelity 😂
 
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NEW: The Second Gentleman of the United States, Doug Emhoff, husband of Kamala Harris, admits to an affair during his previous marriage. “During my first marriage, Kerstin and I went through some tough times on account of my actions,” Emhoff said. “I took responsibility, and in the years since, we worked through things as a family and have come out stronger on the other side.” This follows a Daily Mail report alleging Emhoff may have fathered a child with his nanny around 2009. Although Naylor did not keep the child, a "mysterious" baby girl appeared in her social media posts from 2009 about the same time of the confessed affair. In an MSNBC interview, Emhoff once accused Americans of having too much "toxic masculinity."
 
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