The Ontario Science Centre is closing. What does that mean for the community?

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The sudden closure of the Ontario Science Centre on Friday has thrown a wrench in the plans of its workers, members, and the Toronto area families with children enrolled in summer camp programs.

On Friday, the Ford government announced it would close the Ontario Science Centre to the public “effective immediately” due to “serious structural issues” identified in a recent engineering report.

The North York tourist attraction, located at 770 Don Mills Road, will close its doors end of day on Friday. In a statement issued Friday afternoon, Mayor Olivia Chow called the closure a loss for all Torontonians, “especially [...] for the Flemingdon Park and Thorncliffe Park communities.”


The facility sees about a million visitors annually, according to its website. Over 150,000 of those are Ontario students. This summer, the facility was set to offer 12 summer camps(opens in a new tab) to children aged four to 14.

Refunds and reimbursements
The province said in a release issued Friday that it will reimburse all members and registrants of Ontario Science Centre summer camps within 30 days. Registration costs for camps range between $220 and $410 a week.

It has also identified a nearby school that will house “similar programming” as an alternative location for summer camps, free of charge for previously registered campers, it said in the release.

Will there be job losses?
Government officials said during a briefing on Friday that there will be “no immediate job losses on site.” The officials, however, were tight-lipped about whether there could be cuts in the future.

In a statement released Friday afternoon, Ontario Federation of Labour (OFL) President Laura Walton said the jobs of over 300 workers have been jeopardized.

“This move is yet another example of Premier Doug Ford’s misguided priorities,” Walton said. “By allowing the building to fall into disrepair, the future of over 300 jobs are now in limbo, including contracted food service and cleaning workers who are primarily racialized women.”

A temporary facility?
With the opening of the new Ontario Place not slated until 2028, the province has said it will soon accept proposals for a “temporary location” until the new permanent facility is ready.

Additional programming
In the meantime, the province said it's continuing to explore opportunities for additional programming, including virtual offerings and pop-up experiences.

Planned events
The province says that while it will close the Ontario Science Centre at the end of the day on Friday, previously booked events will be permitted to continue this weekend. Any other future events planned for the facility will be cancelled.

Why can’t the building stay open for goodbyes?
Officials said Friday that the facility is currently still safe, and should remain so until the first significant snowfall,

but that crews will need the summer months to decant the facility, which is similar in size to Toronto’s Dufferin Mall, ahead of the repairs.

Ontario Science Centre members, summer camp registrants: What to know | CTV News
 

xix

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Bullshit.

They want to move everything to Ontario Place.

I hope he loses the next elections and I have a feeling it will be rigged.
 

mrk_2

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Bullshit.

They want to move everything to Ontario Place.

I hope he loses the next elections and I have a feeling it will be rigged.
Very right on, xix. Declare it unfit and dodofo comes to the rescue with Ontario Place.
 

mrk_2

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Watch another condo project appear there, run by one of dofo’s developer friends.
I had a quick overview of reports and at first glance they are advocating to build a science centre that will be about 1/3 the size it is now ie. 200,000 sq ft compared to 567,000 sq ft.

Let's not compare apples to apples, instead let's compare apples to oranges. But don't worry, you can get a beer at the corner store :mad:
 

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The sudden closure of the Ontario Science Centre on Friday has thrown a wrench in the plans of its workers, members, and the Toronto area families with children enrolled in summer camp programs.

On Friday, the Ford government announced it would close the Ontario Science Centre to the public “effective immediately” due to “serious structural issues” identified in a recent engineering report.

The North York tourist attraction, located at 770 Don Mills Road, will close its doors end of day on Friday. In a statement issued Friday afternoon, Mayor Olivia Chow called the closure a loss for all Torontonians, “especially [...] for the Flemingdon Park and Thorncliffe Park communities.”


The facility sees about a million visitors annually, according to its website. Over 150,000 of those are Ontario students. This summer, the facility was set to offer 12 summer camps(opens in a new tab) to children aged four to 14.

Refunds and reimbursements
The province said in a release issued Friday that it will reimburse all members and registrants of Ontario Science Centre summer camps within 30 days. Registration costs for camps range between $220 and $410 a week.

It has also identified a nearby school that will house “similar programming” as an alternative location for summer camps, free of charge for previously registered campers, it said in the release.

Will there be job losses?
Government officials said during a briefing on Friday that there will be “no immediate job losses on site.” The officials, however, were tight-lipped about whether there could be cuts in the future.

In a statement released Friday afternoon, Ontario Federation of Labour (OFL) President Laura Walton said the jobs of over 300 workers have been jeopardized.

“This move is yet another example of Premier Doug Ford’s misguided priorities,” Walton said. “By allowing the building to fall into disrepair, the future of over 300 jobs are now in limbo, including contracted food service and cleaning workers who are primarily racialized women.”

A temporary facility?
With the opening of the new Ontario Place not slated until 2028, the province has said it will soon accept proposals for a “temporary location” until the new permanent facility is ready.

Additional programming
In the meantime, the province said it's continuing to explore opportunities for additional programming, including virtual offerings and pop-up experiences.

Planned events
The province says that while it will close the Ontario Science Centre at the end of the day on Friday, previously booked events will be permitted to continue this weekend. Any other future events planned for the facility will be cancelled.

Why can’t the building stay open for goodbyes?
Officials said Friday that the facility is currently still safe, and should remain so until the first significant snowfall,

but that crews will need the summer months to decant the facility, which is similar in size to Toronto’s Dufferin Mall, ahead of the repairs.

Ontario Science Centre members, summer camp registrants: What to know | CTV News
Here's another example of the corrupt Ford government starving a public facility so that it can justify closing it down and replacing it with a private company (no doubt run by one of his crony capitalists). No doubt the Ontario Science Centre that will be reborn at Ontario Place will be private just like the stupid Spa they plan to build there.

Ontario Science Centre is a true tragedy but the bigger crime is that Ford if doing the same thing to our health care system and universities so that he can create an American style private system. First he starves them of revenue and gypes the workers. And then once these systems umderperform he uses that justification to privatize arguing that private run facilities and more efficient. Does anyone truly believe that a company where CEO are taking home hundred of million in bonuses is truly efficient. It's a myth. It just looting. Plain and simple. Ford and his buddies are thieves and Ontario is their victim.
 

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Yet, the giant brainiac's planned Ontario Line stop at the now gone forever Ontario Science Center property is gonna be named, get this:

ONTARIO SCIENCE CENTER STATION
 

Anbarandy

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This is all what it appears to be.

A gift to his puppet masters, property developers.

He is, who we thought he was.
 

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Here's another example of the corrupt Ford government starving a public facility so that it can justify closing it down and replacing it with a private company (no doubt run by one of his crony capitalists). No doubt the Ontario Science Centre that will be reborn at Ontario Place will be private just like the stupid Spa they plan to build there.

Ontario Science Centre is a true tragedy but the bigger crime is that Ford if doing the same thing to our health care system and universities so that he can create an American style private system. First he starves them of revenue and gypes the workers. And then once these systems umderperform he uses that justification to privatize arguing that private run facilities and more efficient. Does anyone truly believe that a company where CEO are taking home hundred of million in bonuses is truly efficient. It's a myth. It just looting. Plain and simple. Ford and his buddies are thieves and Ontario is their victim.
You do realize that free health care is guaranteed under the Canadian Health Act right?

https://www.canada.ca/en/health-can...h-care-system-medicare/canada-health-act.html
 
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Outside of Toronto I don't think anybody cares.
But would you rather have it kept open and collapse and kill a bunch of kids. Then you all will cry "they knew it was in bad shape why didn't they close it?"
The science centre sees 3 million visitors a year, Ontario Place saw 1 million a year before it was fenced off for a foreign spa.
DoFo ignored and refused to fund reports that the Science Centre needed repairs for years, then spend $1 million on a business plan to close it.
Repairing it and keeping it running would only cost $5 million a year.



 
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Was there once when in grade school. Wish I could remember more about it.

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I had a quick overview of reports and at first glance they are advocating to build a science centre that will be about 1/3 the size it is now ie. 200,000 sq ft compared to 567,000 sq ft.

Let's not compare apples to apples, instead let's compare apples to oranges. But don't worry, you can get a beer at the corner store :mad:
Mmmmm, the new museum is supposed to be 275 thousand square feet, not 200,000. So you're fibbing a bit with your numbers.

Do you have any idea how big that is? An acre of land is 43,560 ft^2. 275,000 ft2 /43,560 = 6.3 acres. That's fucking huge.

Royal Ontario Museum = 214,000 ft2

Metro Toronto Convention Centre = 442,000 ft2

BMO Field = 160,000 ft2

How much do you figure you need?

Build housing on the land currently occupied by the big box and build a new state of the art science centre down at Ontario Place. I don't see this as anything but a logical win win situation, sorry.
 
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james t kirk

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The Engineers report has condemned the building.

Unless some of the loud mouth anti-Ford pitchfork crowd who oppose Ford at every turn no matter what want to submit an affidavit and a surety assuming all responsibility for the condition of the building and all financial liability for those who are injured or killed should it collapse, then shut the fuck up. (And we all know that not one of them will do that.)

The building has been condemned and closed. It's going to be torn down and hopefully soon because frankly I'm sick of listening to all the bullshit from the anti-Ford crowd who know fuck all about anything other than they hate Ford. And when you ask them why they hate Ford, they always parrot away about "cuts". Except Ford hasn't cut shit and in fact his government spends more than any previous government in Ontario and when you prove thar to them, they just accuse you of lying. And this province is drowning in debt, most of which was brought to you by the previous liberal regimes. (And I'm disappointed that the Ford PCs haven't had the guts to cut spending by a measley 9 billion dollars.)

The PCs have a majority in the legislature. Why they have waited this long makes no fucking sense to me whatsoever. Take a godamn vote and tear the fucking thing down. It's a piece of shit building anyway. Just a big ugly out dated box and now condemned building.

Tear the fucking thing down already.
 
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Mmmmm, the new museum is supposed to be 275 thousand square feet, not 200,000. So you're fibbing a bit with your numbers.

Do you have any idea how big that is? An acre of land is 43,560 ft^2. 275,000 ft2 /43,560 = 6.3 acres. That's fucking huge.

Royal Ontario Museum = 214,000 ft2

Metro Toronto Convention Centre = 442,000 ft2

BMO Field = 160,000 ft2

How much do you figure you need?

Build housing on the land currently occupied by the big box and build a new state of the art science centre down at Ontario Place. I don't see this as anything but a logical win win situation, sorry.
Sorry James t, I do not fib. I may make a mistake but no fibbing. From their business case study:

"EXECUTIVE SUMMARY

The two options under consideration for modernizing the OSC include:

1. Option 1: Remain on Site - address all capital repairs/deferred maintenance issues and undertake
refresh of public areas and exhibits at the current 770 Don Mills site. No consolidation or
rationalization of space / programming is contemplated under this option.

2. Option 2: Relocate OSC to Ontario Place - construct a new, smaller OSC facility as cultural anchor
on provincially-owned land with new exhibits and modernized program. The smaller sized facility must
be of a scale to allow OSC to successfully deliver its current mandate.

Option 1 results in a restored building and exhibits (as per the existing 568,000 square feet asset; no
alternative configuration of the OSC at Don Mills were considered beyond current size and layout due to
nature of facility and site-specific constraints identified in Section 3).

Option 2 results in a hybrid structure which includes a (approximately
200,000 square feet) plus the repurposing of the existing pod and Cinesphere structures at Ontario Place
(approximately 77,700 square feet). All new exhibits and program are contemplated."

So when I said 'about' 1/3 the size I was referring 200/568 about 1/3 for easy discussion. The 200 is a "new purpose-built Science Pavilion". The 77k is repurposing other, maybe older buildings. I am making no statement that more or less is needed. I am simply wondering how one puts 568,000 sq ft into a 200,000 sq ft new OSC ................. or even adding on the 77,000 sq ft.

Under Option 2 there has to be "consolidation or rationalization of space / programming". What happens if there is a need for expansion? I personally believe that we should leave it where it is. If they are closing now because there is actually a danger of collapse and not because the engineer's report concludes what dofo wants, then just tear it down (which they will do) and build 200 or 277,000 sq ft on the same site. Room to expand, easier to get to rather than driving downtown and the reports conclusions would all still be the same. A win win for the people/tourists and kids.
 

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The Engineers report has condemned the building.

Unless some of the loud mouth anti-Ford pitchfork crowd who oppose Ford at every turn no matter what want to submit an affidavit and a surety assuming all responsibility for the condition of the building and all financial liability for those who are injured or killed should it collapse, then shut the fuck up. (And we all know that not one of them will do that.)

The building has been condemned and closed. It's going to be torn down and hopefully soon because frankly I'm sick of listening to all the bullshit from the anti-Ford crowd who know fuck all about anything other than they hate Ford. And when you ask them why they hate Ford, they always parrot away about "cuts". Except Ford hasn't cut shit and in fact his government spends more than any previous government in Ontario and when you prove thar to them, they just accuse you of lying. And this province is drowning in debt, most of which was brought to you by the previous liberal regimes. (And I'm disappointed that the Ford PCs haven't had the guts to cut spending by a measley 9 billion dollars.)

The PCs have a majority in the legislature. Why they have waited this long makes no fucking sense to me whatsoever. Take a godamn vote and tear the fucking thing down. It's a piece of shit building anyway. Just a big ugly out dated box and now condemned building.

Tear the fucking thing down already.
The report said some repairs had to be done by Oct, DoFo shut it down today.
DoFo had and ignored multiple reports that the Science Centre needed repairs, even now it could be fixed with $4 million a year in repairs which is far cheaper than rebuilding a heritage site serving a deprived neighbourhood.

This is totally the conservative playbook, cut all maintenance funding then act surprised when it falls apart.
All so he can tear it down and give the land near a new subway station to his developer donors.
 
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