Project 2025

[basketcase]

Don't know if anyone has looked at the details in this semiofficial GOP policy doc but it's scary as fuck how happily the crowd that lauds the constitution is happy to vote for people who want to abandon it for personal benefit.

Along with all their typical 'war on woke' bullshit, it is meant to essentially collect power in the executive branch, essentially abandoning the balance of powers the Founders saw as necessary to prevent tyranny (which they would be dead-set against under a Democratic POTUS).

Plenty of commentary out there but anyone with the time should at least skim through the actual doc.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes, project 2025 will be a disaster if rump manages to implement it.
Yet another disaster to be added on to Biden killing his reelection over supporting genocide.

 

[y2kmark]

It's been around a while. The Nat C's plan for an enduring Reich. Sort of a cross between Idiocracy and Mad Max...

 

[mjg1]

Don't know if anyone has looked at the details in this semiofficial GOP policy doc but it's scary as fuck how happily the crowd that lauds the constitution is happy to vote for people who want to abandon it for personal benefit.

Along with all their typical 'war on woke' bullshit, it is meant to essentially collect power in the executive branch, essentially abandoning the balance of powers the Founders saw as necessary to prevent tyranny (which they would be dead-set against under a Democratic POTUS).

Plenty of commentary out there but anyone with the time should at least skim through the actual doc.

So true, it's the right-wing's fever dream of establishing a one party rule, basically destroying American democracy. Setting up a modern day type of Confederacy, that allows a white-Christian Nationalist country to rise and seize all power.

If you notice this plan doesn't come from Trump himself, he's too dumb, lazy and devoid of ideology to come up with this. Just as long as it gives more power to do whatever he wants, he would gladly go along with it. Any pathological liar, malignant narcissist would love Project 2025, that lying buffoon would essential be a king. America's democracy is on a knife's edge, staring at the abyss.

 

[kherg007]

It is evil. It is the form of government found only in the most oppressive regimes in the world. The USA implemented the Civil service act in the late 1880s because this sort of government was thoroughly corrupt and incompetent. This idea plans to go back to corrupt incompetence (and no you morons arguing the USA government is incompetent- it has its flaws but is actually quite excellent and just compare it to the majority of the world). Moreover, pledging loyalty to a party or man means no loyalty to law. Thus...let the proud boys push a few critics out the windows, and have the incompetent new project 2025 govt drag their feet, fail to investigate, and if it is too obvious, let judge Cannon decide to throw it out due to some misperceived technicality.
That's what awaits the USA.

 

[Frankfooter]

It is evil. It is the form of government found only in the most oppressive regimes in the world. The USA implemented the Civil service act in the late 1880s because this sort of government was thoroughly corrupt and incompetent. This idea plans to go back to corrupt incompetence (and no you morons arguing the USA government is incompetent- it has its flaws but is actually quite excellent and just compare it to the majority of the world). Moreover, pledging loyalty to a party or man means no loyalty to law. Thus...let the proud boys push a few critics out the windows, and have the incompetent new project 2025 govt drag their feet, fail to investigate, and if it is too obvious, let judge Cannon decide to throw it out due to some misperceived technicality.
That's what awaits the USA.

Are the right wingers here pretending its not going to happen or quietly dancing with glee?

 

[Frankfooter]

That incompetent fool couldn't build a wall with four years in office.

He'll probably spend most of his next term on the golf course complaining about Hillary.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1803555145311285517

 

[mjg1]

That incompetent fool couldn't build a wall with four years in office.

That's true, Trump is dumb and lazy, but the people that he will surround himself with won't be.

 

[basketcase]

Yes, project 2025 will be a disaster if rump manages to implement it.
Yet another disaster to be added on to Biden killing his reelection over supporting genocide.

As usual you need to bring your obsession into this.

Fact is that you and your fellow travelers are so obsessed about Israel that you're willing to throw away democracy and enable a totalitarian party. Though a desire for authoritarianism could explain why you are so willing to defend leaders like in Iran or Hamas.

 

[Frankfooter]

As usual you need to bring your obsession into this.

Fact is that you and your fellow travelers are so obsessed about Israel that you're willing to throw away democracy and enable a totalitarian party. Though a desire for authoritarianism could explain why you are so willing to defend leaders like in Iran or Hamas.

Me?
Its the zionist crowd that's driving Biden to lose the election while I've been calling for the dems to stop him and stop the genocide.
Instead you'll get rump and his white supremacist 'fine people on both sides' crowd.

2025 is just zionism imported to the US, police state tactics, racial segregation and anti minority crap.
Isn't that what you want and love?

 

[kherg007]

He will surround himself with nepotists and sycophants, just like the last time. Everyone else didn't last long.

He had a few decent knowledgeable people - the generals, tillerson, cohn for example - but he chased them all out. The only people left will be your true believers, your goebbels, himmlers, etc.it will be ugly. Imagine the worst barroom blowhard who knows nothing but thinks he knows everything and watch his unique combination of ignorance, malevolence, and incompetence work it's magic.

 

[Valcazar]

Don't know if anyone has looked at the details in this semiofficial GOP policy doc but it's scary as fuck how happily the crowd that lauds the constitution is happy to vote for people who want to abandon it for personal benefit.

Along with all their typical 'war on woke' bullshit, it is meant to essentially collect power in the executive branch, essentially abandoning the balance of powers the Founders saw as necessary to prevent tyranny (which they would be dead-set against under a Democratic POTUS).

Plenty of commentary out there but anyone with the time should at least skim through the actual doc.

It's ok, we've been reassured repeatedly that Trump is too incompetent to accomplish any of it, so no one needs to worry about it.

 

[basketcase]

It's ok, we've been reassured repeatedly that Trump is too incompetent to accomplish any of it, so no one needs to worry about it.

Trump is a clown. The people who worry me are the ones who know how easily some flattery convinces trump to do their bidding.

 

[basketcase]

Me?
...

Yes, you brough it up and you are happy to see Trump in power just to spite moderate democrats, even though trump will be far worse for the US, for Canada, and for Palestinians.

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes, you brough it up and you are not happy to see Trump in power just to spite moderate democrats, even though trump will be as bad for the US, for Canada, and for Palestinians.

Fixed your post for more accurate representation of my views.
Its amazing how often you get them wrong.
Intentionally.

I don't want rump in power, Biden is better generally but can no longer be supported because of his aiding of the genocide.

 

[Valcazar]

I don't want rump in power, Biden is better generally but can no longer be supported because of his aiding of the genocide.

Therefore you want Trump in power, since there are only two choices.

 

[Frankfooter]

Therefore you want Trump in power, since there are only two choices.

No, I want Jill Stein in power.
If I could vote in the US, I'd vote for her.

 

[Valcazar]

No, I want Jill Stein in power.
If I could vote in the US, I'd vote for her.

She can't win, though, so it is a wasted vote.

At best, in an entirely safe state, you can cast a "message" vote with her.

A lot of people did that in 2016.
That got them Trump, so they rejected wasting their vote in 2020 and her numbers crashed down to the normal Green party <1%

 

[Frankfooter]

She can't win, though, so it is a wasted vote.

At best, in an entirely safe state, you can cast a "message" vote with her.

A lot of people did that in 2016.
That got them Trump, so they rejected wasting their vote in 2020 and her numbers crashed down to the normal Green party <1%

She has a path to the EC, though she's as likely to win as butler is.
She might become a Ross Perot or a Ralph Nader, who knows.

But if you support democracy you have to support people choosing to vote for whoever they want and its up to the dems to convince them otherwise.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1799461484046750037

 

[Valcazar]

She has a path to the EC, though she's as likely to win as butler is.

It will be a miracle if she gets close to her 2016 result. ( 1.07% )
She is more likely to end up somewhere in the normal 0.3% range the Greens get.

She might become a Ross Perot or a Ralph Nader, who knows.

With a massive push of everyone trying to make her the anti-Israel candidate she might coordinate everyone who wants to cast a vote that way and who knows, maybe she gets results like Perot did - Zero electoral college delegates.
But that would absolutely make people realize the Anti-Israel vote was significant and might even cause the policy shift you say you want to see.

Being like Ralph Nader though, why would you pitch that since he is remembered as "the guy that made Bush president even though people wanted Al Gore, thus being a massive reason for the Afghanistan and Iraq wars"?
I thought you completely rejected this characterization of what you were doing?

But if you support democracy you have to support people choosing to vote for whoever they want and its up to the dems to convince them otherwise.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1799461484046750037

Yes.
And part of convincing them otherwise is pointing out that casting a vote that makes things you want to see happen less likely is counter productive.

I do like how dishonest that tweet is, though, acting as if "Did not vote" would all vote Green.
It's a clever piece of bullshit.