Ruined for Toronto MPs by going to a German FKK Saunaclub

[leshdrec]

Do you feel handicapped if you don’t speak German?
Also, how is the transportation? How to get from hotel to these clubs? Taxi, Uber? Etc?

1. Most people in major German cities learn passable English. You would have the best chance 'connecting' with the FKK girls if you spoke Romanian, as for most of them German/English are second and third languages. Generally the girls who have been there longer speak better German & English.

2. As I said in my post above, you can get to them by the train/bus system Hauptbanoff (HBF) or drive to them if you have a car rental. Just FYI the Frankfurt HBF is in the bad parts of the city, so be alert if you're traveling late at night. You can also taxi but it's expensive. There is no Uber in Frankfurt but they have similar apps (but there are few non-taxi drivers late at night, and it's more awkward to be dropped off at a FKK by a "normal person" than cabbie).

3. Just to reiterate, at Sharks, the current standard base rate is 100 Euros for 30 min... CIM/COF if offered are 50 Euro upcharges. The standard is usually a single shot, which is why most men opt for 100 Euros for 30 min (keep in mind that you go into a room already showered and gameplan laid out partially before getting into a room, so 30 min goes a longer way in a FKK than a standard incall). For 1 hr usually the girls will ask for 200 Euros, but most men will haggle to 150 Euros for 1 hr.

If you are asked to pay more than 100Eu/30min (base rate), most of the time it's because they know you are a tourist and are trying to upcharge you.

Do some research before going on what standard rates are, as this may change in the future, or you can literally ask one of the other guys there discreetly.

 

[tdot.playboy]

FKK Sharks is the largest facility (there is an entrance fee in the range of 60-80 Euros). You can also go to FKK Oase or FKK Palace, which are smaller facilities, and so have less choice (i.e. not recommended unless you've read reviews and know who you want to see). You can get to them by the train/bus system Hauptbanoff (HBF) or drive to them. You can also taxi but it's expensive. Just FYI the Frankfurt HBF is in the bad parts of the city, so be alert if you're traveling late at night.
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thank for sharing this - will try and share review later here.

 

[chaychay]

I had a very lacklustre MP experience last month that soured me a bit on the Toronto MP scene. Then I went to a German FKK saunaclub during a layover in Frankfurt. Fuck, I wish we had those here!

So, believe it or not - there is a place like this coming to Toronto. Well, Markham to be specific. Near Steeles and Warden.
I went on Friday. It's got a long way to go with renovations, but their plans are very much in line with these saunaclubs. Granted, no sex - they only have a body rub license, and I got the strong impression the plan is to keep it legit. Their hope is to get a liquor license too, I wonder if any establishment in the country has both a liquor license and a body rub license?

Anyways, if you want to know more - I just wrote a review here: https://terb.cc/xenforo/threads/excellent-health-spa-first-impressions.846868/

 

[clyphon]

I visited a few FKKs over the holidays. I have to disagree with the OP a little bit. FKKs have their pros and cons.

I visited 3 FKKs, Artemis, Oase, and Sharks. Out of the 3, Sharks was my favorite. It has a very nice Eastern/Turkish theme, with a massive main area lounge that spans two floors. The lighting fixtures were perfect and gave a true “club” feel. They also had greater varieties of ladies and it was packed. A bit pricey these days (quoted 100 for FS), but it was still an enjoyable experience.

FKKs clubs are basically a hybrid between traditional spas and strip clubs here in Canada. They’re a cool concept, but I found the “Strip Club” mentality to be too prevalent there. Unless you’re on ISG forums all day or you’re a regular, expect to be ripped off and upcharged. Especially if they smell that you’re a newbie or not from around. The flip side is that I saw lots of guys hanging out with their buddies together in these places - there was a much better social vibe to FKKs than Spas. Some of them have gyms and whole dining areas.

What caught me off guard was that the majority of ladies working at these clubs are foreigners, mostly Romanian, which isn’t my type. Reviewers already mentioned this but I was surprised at how many of them there are. I think something like 60 percent were Romanian. There were a few girls that try to make themselves German but they’re obviously faking it.

If you want to have a good time there, read the forum reviews on all the attendants there before visiting so you know which to avoid. In my experience, most of the ladies will try to hustle you if they know you’re a foreigner.

Big thank you to @Patron and many others for their helpful insights to FKKs. Helped a lot.

 

[leshdrec]

FKKs clubs are basically a hybrid between traditional spas and strip clubs here in Canada. They’re a cool concept, but I found the “Strip Club” mentality to be too prevalent there. Unless you’re on ISG forums all day or you’re a regular, expect to be ripped off and upcharged. Especially if they smell that you’re a newbie or not from around. The flip side is that I saw lots of guys hanging out with their buddies together in these places - there was a much better social vibe to FKKs than Spas. Some of them have gyms and whole dining areas.

What caught me off guard was that the majority of ladies working at these clubs are foreigners, mostly Romanian, which isn’t my type. Reviewers already mentioned this but I was surprised at how many of them there are. I think something like 60 percent were Romanian. There were a few girls that try to make themselves German but they’re obviously faking it.

If you want to have a good time there, read the forum reviews on all the attendants there before visiting so you know which to avoid. In my experience, most of the ladies will try to hustle you if they know you’re a foreigner.

Big thank you to @Patron and many others for their helpful insights to FKKs. Helped a lot.

If you're new there, yes some will try to hustle you. I wouldn't say it's most of them, but unfortunately the most aggressive ones are the ones who will seek you out... they can sense newbies. You can lie and say you're not new, but I don't recommend that because they can tell right away you're new just based on how you act. That said, they'll eventually let up if you keep on saying no politely and in various ways.

Many of us are polite(ish) Canadians, so it's easy to get taken advantage of.

You need to keep in mind negotiating (before you get into a room) is commonplace there, and unless it's a top popularity working girl who truly has a higher than normal rate, for the most part they'll agree to the standard rate for standard service. Again, that is 100EU/30 min for BBBJ/CFS (it is standard there to have an upcharge of 50EU CIM, COF). For 60 min it's more variable but most will agree to 150EU/1HR.

 

[ExoticSpirit]

If you're new there, yes some will try to hustle you. I wouldn't say it's most of them, but unfortunately the most aggressive ones are the ones who will seek you out... they can sense newbies. You can lie and say you're not new, but I don't recommend that because they can tell right away you're new just based on how you act. That said, they'll eventually let up if you keep on saying no politely and in various ways.

Many of us are polite(ish) Canadians, so it's easy to get taken advantage of.

You need to keep in mind negotiating (before you get into a room) is commonplace there, and unless it's a top popularity working girl who truly has a higher than normal rate, for the most part they'll agree to the standard rate for standard service. Again, that is 100EU/30 min for BBBJ/CFS (it is standard there to have an upcharge of 50EU CIM, COF). For 60 min it's more variable but most will agree to 150EU/1HR.

When I went to Artemis some years ago, the girls charged set rates so there was no way they could cheat a newbie or non-local

 

[Joeboyd]

I had a very lacklustre MP experience last month that soured me a bit on the Toronto MP scene. Then I went to a German FKK saunaclub during a layover in Frankfurt. Fuck, I wish we had those here!

Imagine a strip club where 100s of beautiful (generally all 8s and 9s - mostly Romanian, but some variety) naked women are lounging around, trolling for guys to fuck them, while you enjoy drinks, food, sauna amenities, and all the eye candy you want. If some hot young bimbo catches your eye and you chat with her a bit, you can opt to take her to a room and fuck her. Pricing seems to start at 100 Euros for 30 mins. That's pretty much CAD $150 for FS with a smoke show of a woman, with no surprises since you've seen her naked and talked with her to see if you click.

Entrance priced at CAD $100 during peak hours, but you can stay as long as you like and fuck as many times and as many women as your body and Viagra will let you. Booze is an extra charge.

It's honestly such a better experience than the strip club or MP or escort experience here! I'm very jealous of the Europeans!

I went to one of these years ago…yes it was a fantasy come true. Great buffet too.

 

[chrispalen]

I went to one of these years ago…yes it was a fantasy come true. Great buffet too.

Buffet from the buffet counter or from DATO/DATY?
Hope she ate a juicy dinner the night before.

CP

 

[SamanthaJones69]

I imagine this is what it could be like in Canada if things became fully legal here... #theegarbeaver

 

[Ramster555]

Can you share which club was this? I was planning a trip via Frankfurt - might just go to same club as yours.

I have been to the FKK clubs in Germany. There are a few in Frankfurt. Manhattan is one there's another in Frankfurt I think Oasis you can search the best one is sharks. It's about a 30, 40 minute train ride from Frankfurt. I go Sharks all the time when I stay in Frankfurt it's the best.

 

[ExoticSpirit]

Have any of you guys ever been to FKKs in Switzerland or Austria? I might be skiing there next winter and would be great to drop in on FKKs there. I realize they might not be as good and/or might be more costly than those in Germany but at least it's something better than what we have here.

 

[Omdu2ub]

The guys on ISG bitch about nothing being available at the FKKs but a bunch of look-a-like Romanian women, but guess what guys? You created the problem with low prices and efficiencies from lots of sex acts in a large facility. Yes, Spain, Portugal, the Czech Republic and the United Kingdom are more expensive than Germany, but there is great variety in terms of the ladies and the delivery mechanisms.

Personally, I will take the Toronto system of escorting over the German FKK system any day. I think the freedom and lifestyle choices of the sex workers is important, and the variety is useful for the customers.

You're a great source of information, but I have to disagree with Toronto being better than German FKKs. Most of the Toronto agencies run an incentive based system where the bookers try to get as many customers in and out to maximize their commission. With the FKK, the girls can come and go as they want. They can also much easily decline a potential customer. On the other hand, Romanians dominate the labor force in the FKKs. But that's only an issue if someone wants to make it an issue. I haven't visited Toronto in a while, but SFT had 2 popular Romanians on their roster. I've seen them both and I wouldn't choose them over the ones I see in Sharks. They were charging 300cad/hr, whereas I was getting really attractive Romanians for 100eur/30min. In terms of variety, I'm seeing more Spanish girls that have migrated over to Germany and Switzerland to work.

 

[Omdu2ub]

Kind of agree.

The guys definitely know the names of the girls who provide good service. You can get to know the girls if you speak their language (usually Romanian)... not being able to get to know them isn't a fault of FKK, it's the fault of a language barrier. Honestly the average FKK working girl has a better command of English than the Asian Agency SPs.

Go to the FKK Sharks sub on Reddit. We throw out names on there who provide good service and are really attractive.

Have any of you guys ever been to FKKs in Switzerland or Austria? I might be skiing there next winter and would be great to drop in on FKKs there. I realize they might not be as good and/or might be more costly than those in Germany but at least it's something better than what we have here.

Globe in Zurich and Golden Time in Vienna are worth visiting. I definitely prefer Sharks over both though. Wellcum is highly regarded by some, though I have never been. Don't bother with Geneva, which is very lackluster.

 

[xix]

They were charging 300cad/hr, whereas I was getting really attractive Romanians for 100eur/30min. In terms of variety, I'm seeing more Spanish girls that have migrated over to Germany and Switzerland to work.

That is
294.66695 Canadian Dollars
1 EUR = 1.47333 CAD
an hour at this moment exchange rate at xe.com

Quality wise I agree you get better mileage.

 

[Omdu2ub]

Here's some info for those that want to visit Sharks. I don't login here much nowadays, so any questions may not get answered in a reasonable time. If you have the means, I would stay in the hotels in Frankfurt Messe rather than the dingy hotels in Darmstadt. Germany has a 49eur ticket, which covers all local transport. Download the RMV app and buy it on there so you don't have to buy a separate ticket everytime you take a train/bus.

Transportation - Easy access to the club during daylight hours with 3 regional trains per hour from Frankfurt Hbf. RE60 and RB67/68 go to Darmstadt Hbf, and RB82 goes to Darmstadt Nord, which is about a 10-15 walk. There's also an S-Bahn that runs through Frankfurt to Darmstadt. You can take a taxi from the Darmstadt train station, which will cost you about 13-15eur going there. Otherwise, I recommend taking the R bus. Go out the front door of the station and cross the street. The R bus stop is the one on the left and you can confirm by looking at the electronic schedule board. Doing this will save money for an extra 5-10 minutes. The bus is fast and takes a more direct route because one of the roads if for bus only, whereas the taxi needs to take a longer route. There's also the possibility that the taxi driver might decide to take you on an even longer route if they know you're a tourist and can make an extra euro or two from you. Do NOT tip the taxi drivers; they get a 10eur commission from the club for taking you there.

 

[Meister]

Saunaclubs are great, but are overrun with Romanians and Bulgarians. Once in a while I find a 9 at Oase, Fkk World or Sharks.

Lately, I have started to go to smaller brothels in smaller towns. Often they show the actual girls on their website with schedules.
They may only have 3 or 4 girls at a time, but sometimes you can find a natural, tall blonde 8 or a 9 from Poland, Belarus or Latvia there.
It takes a bit more research, but worth it.
Apparently, this girl is verified in the forums:

Eva - xxx auf You-Ladies

You-Ladies.de - Eva - xxx

sexy-eva.you-ladies.de

In the smaller brothels or private you usually don't have to pay admission, so you can get away with 60 to 120 euros for 30 minutes

 

[coolmanfever]

This thread bring back good old memory. For my friend bachelor party trip. We flew together in group of guys to Frankfurt and rented a bmw M car to drive on autobahn without speed limit and visited Oase, palace, shark, and Artemis in Berlin and some other smaller club in cologne. It is a awesome concept and wish we have it in canada. But I find if you go to fkk by yourself and spend a full day by yourself things can get bored between waiting to recharge for next time. It will be more fun if you go in group of dude. Maybe we should have a terb fkk trip group?

 

[Patron]

It is going to get really interesting in Germany.

Of course no one ever wins a German election. You “win“ by losing by the least, and you then build a coalition with others “less than 50 percent” groups to build a majority.

German far right gains as governing parties decline, but conservatives lead in European election

Projections show that Germany’s unpopular governing parties sank to feeble results and the far-right Alternative for Germany made gains in Sunday’s vote for the European Parliament, while the mainstream conservative opposition was the country’s strongest political force by a distance.

apnews.com

Debate over prostitution re-erupts in 'Europe's brothel' Germany

Two decades after Germany legalised prostitution, a new debate over whether to ban sex work again has erupted, with the opposition conservatives leading a fresh

tribune.net.ph

German chancellor says sex work is unacceptable – DW – 11/15/2023

German chancellor Olaf Scholz has said that the sale of sex is not acceptable and called for a clampdown on sex work.

www.dw.com

Some of the parties that “lost by the least” in the election a few days ago don’t have the anti-prostitution platform that Olaf’s group has, so it will be interesting to see what happens as a coalition forms. Olaf’s group declined, but the far right in general has never been a friend to sex work and the far right gained in the elections.

I still think you are asking for nothing but trouble by putting commercial sex out in the open the way Germany does, and I suspect it will eventually crumble, especially since their scene has so much imported labor.

Canada and Portugal do it right, although the lack of a party/club scene is boring to many. The more you keep it out of the public eye, the better, in my opinion.

 

[squeezer]

It is going to get really interesting in Germany.

Of course no one ever wins a German election. You “win“ by losing by the least, and you then build a coalition with others “less than 50 percent” groups to build a majority.

German far right gains as governing parties decline, but conservatives lead in European election

Projections show that Germany’s unpopular governing parties sank to feeble results and the far-right Alternative for Germany made gains in Sunday’s vote for the European Parliament, while the mainstream conservative opposition was the country’s strongest political force by a distance.

apnews.com

Debate over prostitution re-erupts in 'Europe's brothel' Germany

Two decades after Germany legalised prostitution, a new debate over whether to ban sex work again has erupted, with the opposition conservatives leading a fresh

tribune.net.ph

German chancellor says sex work is unacceptable – DW – 11/15/2023

German chancellor Olaf Scholz has said that the sale of sex is not acceptable and called for a clampdown on sex work.

www.dw.com

Some of the parties that “lost by the least” in the election a few days ago don’t have the anti-prostitution platform that Olaf’s group has, so it will be interesting to see what happens as a coalition forms. Olaf’s group declined, but the far right in general has never been a friend to sex work and the far right gained in the elections.

I still think you are asking for nothing but trouble by putting commercial sex out in the open the way Germany does, and I suspect it will eventually crumble, especially since their scene has so much imported labor.

Canada and Portugal do it right, although the lack of a party/club scene is boring to many. The more you keep it out of the public eye, the better, in my opinion.

"The conservatives want parliament to change tack by banning brothels as well as penalising people who buy sex. "

That is was the Conservatives do! It will happen here with tightening laws on prostitution once the Conservates take over federally.

 

[Omdu2ub]

This thread bring back good old memory. For my friend bachelor party trip. We flew together in group of guys to Frankfurt and rented a bmw M car to drive on autobahn without speed limit and visited Oase, palace, shark, and Artemis in Berlin and some other smaller club in cologne. It is a awesome concept and wish we have it in canada. But I find if you go to fkk by yourself and spend a full day by yourself things can get bored between waiting to recharge for next time. It will be more fun if you go in group of dude. Maybe we should have a terb fkk trip group?

I always go solo and have found plenty of like-minded tourists, especially at Sharks.