Ruined for Toronto MPs by going to a German FKK Saunaclub

[dchoye]

Does public sex happen on non-public sex days?

Yes
There are open areas for public sex and there are secluded area in the club for more privacy
At the Globe I observed couples going into private areas for sex and having sex in lounge areas open to any one walking by. I didn’t notice anyone going on stage
The public sex days are performed on stage and attracts the clients that might like to watch and wank

 

[foru2discover]

Yes
There are open areas for public sex and there are secluded area in the club for more privacy
At the Globe I observed couples going into private areas for sex and having sex in lounge areas open to any one walking by. I didn’t notice anyone going on stage
The public sex days are performed on stage and attracts the clients that might like to watch and wank

what di the girls in this place really look like? Is it like one 1 or 2 beauties and the rest so so?

 

[dchoye]

what di the girls in this place really look like? Is it like one 1 or 2 beauties and the rest so so?

I was not disappointed. Many young girls to choose from with great looking bodies. What I would rate as 7-9 There lots selection if you like tan/pale short/ tall, slim/curvy. The place was dimly light like if you were in a night club. Only complaint was could not see their faces clearly until you start chatting them up.
The bigger clubs hire-many girls from poor east European countries. Expect many Romanian girl but can see black girls and other countries represented. I had sex with girls from Romanian, Hungary and Germany.
I would visit the larger well known FKK clubs where there are 40+girls walking around to choose from.
I heard the smaller FKKs where there are only few girls it’s hit or miss

 

[ironlung]

what di the girls in this place really look like? Is it like one 1 or 2 beauties and the rest so so?

I have not been to Globe personally but the top clubs in Switzerland, Austria and Germany will have plenty of 8s and 9s. The big 3 are Globe, Wellcum and Sharks.

 

[ExoticSpirit]

Funny thing when I originally went to the Berlin FKK is that I wanted to pull a German girl since I was in that country. But as others have reported, most of the girls working there were from Eastern European countries. I did manage to bag a German girl but it was no in the FKK club but in a brothel also in Berlin.

 

[gzfzvz]

Funny thing when I originally went to the Berlin FKK is that I wanted to pull a German girl since I was in that country. But as others have reported, most of the girls working there were from Eastern European countries. I did manage to bag a German girl but it was no in the FKK club but in a brothel also in Berlin.

is there an opportunity to meet them in person and see the goods to some extent in these berlin brothels?

 

[ExoticSpirit]

Yes in the Berlin brothel, the madam basically brought each available girl out one at a time so I got to choose from a small selection.

 

[Giantslayer]

What’s the difference between this & Hong Kong in Tijuana ? It has enterance and you have to pay per girl. I thought it was unlimited for the day

 

[jdeck]

Terb members booking their flights to Berlin after reading this thread...

 

[ironlung]

What’s the difference between this & Hong Kong in Tijuana ? It has enterance and you have to pay per girl. I thought it was unlimited for the day

You don't have to be in Tijuana lol

Also, Eastern Europeans vs. Mexicans

 

[ExoticSpirit]

What’s the difference between this & Hong Kong in Tijuana ? It has enterance and you have to pay per girl. I thought it was unlimited for the day

HUGE differences - if you look at the websites of major FKK clubs in Germany you will see the differences. Tijuana has just strip clubs where girls are also hookers you can take to rooms. FKKs are more than that. The entrance fees get you inside where you can enjoy free buffet meals, health spa facilities like pool, sauna, jacuzzi, bar etc. They are not cheap though.

 

[Patron]

Just to put some balance to this thread, and to defend Canada’s scene, here are some of the problems with these German Fuck Factories.

1. The labor is largely imported. Germany has an advantage, or disadvantage depending on how you look at it, over other countries in that it is close to very poor countries and allows under the E.U. system for transient workers to do sex work at the FKKs. The women, mostly from Romania, work for weeks or months, and return to their villages with a nice wad of cash. During the c-36 debate, one of the Canadian politicians who opposed decriminalization, mentioned the German system with distaste and said Canada should never become like Germany. It is doubtful that could happen, given that most low-cost sex work labor would fly in from Venezuela and Cuba, which is a lot more expensive than being driven to Germany from Romania. But the ammunition the FKK system gives to abolitionists is stunning. When the fucking Swedes try to get their Nordic Model enacted in Europe, they harp on the FKKs and the women essentially working where they live (the living quarters are separate, but within the acreage of the facility). Can you imagine a conservative Canadian paper interviewing Venezuelan women who are happy to go back and see their children and pets after fucking hundreds of Canadian guys and American tourists for a month. Jesus Christ, the abolitionists would storm the Canadian FKK with bayonets. They are a public relations nightmare.

2. It is actually delightful to see our many Canadian and American escorts, even though they are a little more expensive than the sex workers in a Fuck Factory. Our escorts get to have a life, aspects of which they share with us During sessions. They go home every night, most often get an education, and have relationships and a satisfying life. Isn’t that worth paying a little bit more as a customer? FKKs suck the oxygen out of a system. Germany has an inferior escort / small incall system than most every country with a good sex work system, including Portugal, Spain, United Kingdom, or the Czech Republic. Want some variety, especially fetish offerings? Forget about it with FKKs. It is a lot like WalMart. They destroy the local, small business community. Plenty of guys on ISG declare they are bored with FKKs after posting wonderful things about them for years.

3. And not unlike WalMart in a community, you put all of your eggs in one basket once the once-thriving local businesses are destroyed. Guess what closed during Covid, and stayed closed for a hell of a long time? The German FKKs. They are allowed but regulated by the government. Trust me, we don’t want that. Yes, they are more expensive, but guess what didn’t close during Covid? Independent escorts worldwide. When Los Angeles was trying to limit travel during Covid to essential travel to places such as grocery stores, the L.A. escorts on Twitter said they carried a little bag of groceries with them just in case. They could say they needed to help Uncle Harry cook a meal, when they were actually heading over to fuck Harry, the John.

 

[chrispalen]

Like it or not, FKK SaunaClub with tons of naked babes walking around is a sight to behold. Where in Canada can you watch so many naked babes walking around, not even in naked beaches. And once you become horny enough watching naked babes, you can satisfy your quench by picking a hot one and unload all your proteins.

CP

 

[JaceNorton]

Just to put some balance to this thread, and to defend Canada’s scene, here are some of the problems with these German Fuck Factories.

1. The labor is largely imported. Germany has an advantage, or disadvantage depending on how you look at it, over other countries in that it is close to very poor countries and allows under the E.U. system for transient workers to do sex work at the FKKs. The women, mostly from Romania, work for weeks or months, and return to their villages with a nice wad of cash. During the c-36 debate, one of the Canadian politicians who opposed decriminalization, mentioned the German system with distaste and said Canada should never become like Germany. It is doubtful that could happen, given that most low-cost sex work labor would fly in from Venezuela and Cuba, which is a lot more expensive than being driven to Germany from Romania. But the ammunition the FKK system gives to abolitionists is stunning. When the fucking Swedes try to get their Nordic Model enacted in Europe, they harp on the FKKs and the women essentially working where they live (the living quarters are separate, but within the acreage of the facility). Can you imagine a conservative Canadian paper interviewing Venezuelan women who are happy to go back and see their children and pets after fucking hundreds of Canadian guys and American tourists for a month. Jesus Christ, the abolitionists would storm the Canadian FKK with bayonets. They are a public relations nightmare.

2. It is actually delightful to see our many Canadian and American escorts, even though they are a little more expensive than the sex workers in a Fuck Factory. Our escorts get to have a life, aspects of which they share with us During sessions. They go home every night, most often get an education, and have relationships and a satisfying life. Isn’t that worth paying a little bit more as a customer? FKKs suck the oxygen out of a system. Germany has an inferior escort / small incall system than most every country with a good sex work system, including Portugal, Spain, United Kingdom, or the Czech Republic. Want some variety, especially fetish offerings? Forget about it with FKKs. It is a lot like WalMart. They destroy the local, small business community. Plenty of guys on ISG declare they are bored with FKKs after posting wonderful things about them for years.

3. And not unlike WalMart in a community, you put all of your eggs in one basket once the once-thriving local businesses are destroyed. Guess what closed during Covid, and stayed closed for a hell of a long time? The German FKKs. They are allowed but regulated by the government. Trust me, we don’t want that. Yes, they are more expensive, but guess what didn’t close during Covid? Independent escorts worldwide. When Los Angeles was trying to limit travel during Covid to essential travel to places such as grocery stores, the L.A. escorts on Twitter said they carried a little bag of groceries with them just in case. They could say they needed to help Uncle Harry cook a meal, when they were actually heading over to fuck Harry, the John.

Yeah, this is a hot take. FKK culture would be incredible to have here.

 

[Patron]

I expressed a reasoned opinion, not a hot take.

”deliberately provocative commentary

In journalism, a hot take is a "piece of deliberately provocative commentary that is based almost entirely on shallow moralizing" in response to a news story, "usually written on tight deadlines with little research or reporting, and even less thought".

I have done enough study of sex work worldwide to have formed a basis for my opinion. Not unlike to concept of the critics of WalMart saying there is a high cost to a low price.

What I said was an opinion of the damage that would be caused to the current Canadian sex work system if Canada allowed legal and regulated FKKs, owned and operated by private enterprise like in Germany, where many of the FKKs have known affiliations with motorcycle gangs. You can read more about that if you follow various investigations of the owners of
Artemis and other FKKs.

To me, the best system is the closest connection between the owner of the enterprise (the escort) and the customer. That either involves independent escorting or an agency relationship where the agency is providing outsourced services to the escort.

Quite a bit different than an FKK where most of the women travelled to work at the facility from another country, live in housing that is part of the facility, have no realistic ability to leave the facility during her time there, and must compete with fifty to a hundred other naked ladies on pricing while walking around soliciting.

If you feel differently, let us know how you would see an FKK system functioning in Canada.

 

[Scholar]

I expressed a reasoned opinion, not a hot take.

”deliberately provocative commentary

In journalism, a hot take is a "piece of deliberately provocative commentary that is based almost entirely on shallow moralizing" in response to a news story, "usually written on tight deadlines with little research or reporting, and even less thought".

I have done enough study of sex work worldwide to have formed a basis for my opinion. Not unlike to concept of the critics of WalMart saying there is a high cost to a low price.

What I said was an opinion of the damage that would be caused to the current Canadian sex work system if Canada allowed legal and regulated FKKs, owned and operated by private enterprise like in Germany, where many of the FKKs have known affiliations with motorcycle gangs. You can read more about that if you follow various investigations of the owners of
Artemis and other FKKs.

To me, the best system is the closest connection between the owner of the enterprise (the escort) and the customer. That either involves independent escorting or an agency relationship where the agency is providing outsourced services to the escort.

Quite a bit different than an FKK where most of the women travelled to work at the facility from another country, live in housing that is part of the facility, have no realistic ability to leave the facility during her time there, and must compete with fifty to a hundred other naked ladies on pricing while walking around soliciting.

If you feel differently, let us know how you would see an FKK system functioning in Canada.

I've never been to a FKK but it sort of sounds like a mix between a strip club and Club Dynasty. If they legalized prostitution in Canada, allowing for FKK's, I could see it being like a strip club with fuck rooms. Not much different than most of the VIP rooms now, just no need to worry about being seen.

 

[Patron]

I've never been to a FKK but it sort of sounds like a mix between a strip club and Club Dynasty. If they legalized prostitution in Canada, allowing for FKK's, I could see it being like a strip club with fuck rooms. Not much different than most of the VIP rooms now, just no need to worry about being seen.

I don’t have an objection if it is part of a healthy ecosystem.

But you should take notice of a couple of things.

The guys who like FKKs rarely mention the names of individual ladies they fucked.

When you read Terb reviews of agency and independent escorts, not only are names mentioned, but nice little details are provided about the actual girl they saw. Like she goes to college and is studying nursing, she looks forward to walking her pet dog after the shift, she took a fun vacation in the Caribbean last year with her girlfriends and her favorite island is St. Maarten, etc.

I want everyone to get what they want out of this activity. But I like meeting actual girls with names that I remember afterward, albeit working names.

Now if Canada had some of these, functioning like strip joints, where a certain percentage of Canadian sex workers find it more efficient to simply work a shift there and fuck five guys in the back rooms for half hour sessions at a slightly lower price compared to escorting (due to the increased efficiencies), that is certainly fine with me.

But where we have to be careful is letting that system take over and ruin the ecosystem for guys who enjoy seeing escorts.

Of course it is difficult to compare Germany to Canada as a result of Germany allowing the importation of foreign sex workers who live in facilities adjacent to the FKKs. Presumably this would not happen in Canada due to legislative restrictions and the simple fact that flying into Canada from Venezuela, Colombia and Mexico is simply far more expensive than being driven in a vehicle from Romania into Germany.

But over time, the old-fashioned German brothels have gradually closed, and most of the German escort scene has become very expensive and catering to Johns interested in the types of ladies not available in the FKKs, like blonde-haired Germans.

People gravitate to a low price and economic efficiencies. Those offering it drive out competitors. Traditional economics says the danger is high inflation from that point forward, given the lack of competition. Absent from economic discussion is the simple loss of customer enjoyment that once occurred. People don’t really like shopping at Walmart and ordering from Amazon anymore, but those organizations crowded everything else out.

The guys on ISG bitch about nothing being available at the FKKs but a bunch of look-a-like Romanian women, but guess what guys? You created the problem with low prices and efficiencies from lots of sex acts in a large facility. Yes, Spain, Portugal, the Czech Republic and the United Kingdom are more expensive than Germany, but there is great variety in terms of the ladies and the delivery mechanisms.

Personally, I will take the Toronto system of escorting over the German FKK system any day. I think the freedom and lifestyle choices of the sex workers is important, and the variety is useful for the customers.

 

[tdot.playboy]

I had a very lacklustre MP experience last month that soured me a bit on the Toronto MP scene. Then I went to a German FKK saunaclub during a layover in Frankfurt.

Can you share which club was this? I was planning a trip via Frankfurt - might just go to same club as yours.

 

[leshdrec]

I don’t have an objection if it is part of a healthy ecosystem.

But you should take notice of a couple of things.

The guys who like FKKs rarely mention the names of individual ladies they fucked.

When you read Terb reviews of agency and independent escorts, not only are names mentioned, but nice little details are provided about the actual girl they saw. Like she goes to college and is studying nursing, she looks forward to walking her pet dog after the shift, she took a fun vacation in the Caribbean last year with her girlfriends and her favorite island is St. Maarten, etc.

I want everyone to get what they want out of this activity. But I like meeting actual girls with names that I remember afterward, albeit working names.

Now if Canada had some of these, functioning like strip joints, where a certain percentage of Canadian sex workers find it more efficient to simply work a shift there and fuck five guys in the back rooms for half hour sessions at a slightly lower price compared to escorting (due to the increased efficiencies), that is certainly fine with me.

But where we have to be careful is letting that system take over and ruin the ecosystem for guys who enjoy seeing escorts.

Of course it is difficult to compare Germany to Canada as a result of Germany allowing the importation of foreign sex workers who live in facilities adjacent to the FKKs. Presumably this would not happen in Canada due to legislative restrictions and the simple fact that flying into Canada from Venezuela, Colombia and Mexico is simply far more expensive than being driven in a vehicle from Romania into Germany.

But over time, the old-fashioned German brothels have gradually closed, and most of the German escort scene has become very expensive and catering to Johns interested in the types of ladies not available in the FKKs, like blonde-haired Germans.

People gravitate to a low price and economic efficiencies. Those offering it drive out competitors. Traditional economics says the danger is high inflation from that point forward, given the lack of competition. Absent from economic discussion is the simple loss of customer enjoyment that once occurred. People don’t really like shopping at Walmart and ordering from Amazon anymore, but those organizations crowded everything else out.

The guys on ISG bitch about nothing being available at the FKKs but a bunch of look-a-like Romanian women, but guess what guys? You created the problem with low prices and efficiencies from lots of sex acts in a large facility. Yes, Spain, Portugal, the Czech Republic and the United Kingdom are more expensive than Germany, but there is great variety in terms of the ladies and the delivery mechanisms.

Personally, I will take the Toronto system of escorting over the German FKK system any day. I think the freedom and lifestyle choices of the sex workers is important, and the variety is useful for the customers.

Kind of agree.

The guys definitely know the names of the girls who provide good service. You can get to know the girls if you speak their language (usually Romanian)... not being able to get to know them isn't a fault of FKK, it's the fault of a language barrier. Honestly the average FKK working girl has a better command of English than the Asian Agency SPs.

 

[leshdrec]

Can you share which club was this? I was planning a trip via Frankfurt - might just go to same club as yours.

FKK Sharks is the largest facility (there is an entrance fee in the range of 60-80 Euros). You can also go to FKK Oase or FKK Palace, which are smaller facilities, and so have less choice (i.e. not recommended unless you've read reviews and know who you want to see). You can get to them by the train/bus system Hauptbanoff (HBF) or drive to them. You can also taxi but it's expensive. Just FYI the Frankfurt HBF is in the bad parts of the city, so be alert if you're traveling late at night.

At Sharks, the standard base rate is 100 Euros for 30 min (assuming it's offered, there is an upcharge of 50 Euros CIM, COF, etc.). For 1 hr usually the girls will ask for 200 Euros, but most men will haggle to 150 Euros for 1 hr. The standard is usually a single shot. Before getting into a room, discuss the general gameplan and price to make sure you're both agreeable.

Because you will be identifiable as a tourist (i.e. non-German speaker), some girls will ask you for more than usual at 150 Euros for 30 min base rate as they assume you will just pay. I recommend saying no in most cases (there are a few girls who actually regularly charge 150 Euros for 30 min because they are very popular, but they will probably also be booked very frequently and hard to get a hold of).

Also if you are physically identifiable as a tourist (i.e. non-white... especially if East Asian), some girls will be very aggressive in walking up to you and trying to get you to go to a room. Do not feel uncomfortable saying no more than once if you don't like the girl (don't be rude, just give a brief reason and smile). If you need to hide away from the girls to recharge/rest, you can usually sleep in the tents upstairs by the pools.

Most visiting guys plan for a long day. Like enough to have fun in 3-4 rooms (or even more if you're really young). The club provides acceptable buffet style food, a sauna, massage area, outdoor pool, indoor jacuzzis, bar area, "lounge areas" indoors and outdoors for you to relax in between sessions. Honestly it's not a bad idea to bring a book if you're a reader. The club doesn't allow electronics in the public areas as a general rule. The only other downside (for nonsmokers) is that smoking is very prevalent there.