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Hunter96

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This is just word salad. There is nothing in here that I can respond to.

The only thing that I can answer is your question if Hindutva is backward. And before I answer, I am Indian too.

But, yes it is. It is an ideology borne out of inferiority complex (possibly a colonial remnant), and engages in overtly nationalistic chest thumping, to mask said inferiority complex, while doubling down on the very backwardness that people laugh about!

Dont get me wrong. I consider myself nationalist too, but I am more of a Gandhian nationalist. Indian nationalism, the Gandhian kind that sought to unite people of all religions and castes, in a secular state, is the only valid form of Indian nationalism. Not this aberrant, backward, divisive, casteist and occasionally violent ideology that is being parroted around in India these days.

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You said - "White supremacy is a term invented to discredit white nationalism". White nationalism is basically Nazism. Nazis genocided 6M Jews. You basically came to an Israel thread and supported an ideology that genocided the very people that you purport to support. Those were your words. You made the comment and I called you out for it. You have only yourself to blame for it.

And how am I normalizing violence? I am the one calling it out. You seem to be engaging in whataboutism using ancient examples of violence, to justify current genocide, that is ongoing as we speak.

You need to calm down, take a deep breath and stop asking people to calm down. Think it through before you respond.
That’s good “Get personal” and when caught say “ you didn’t get my sarcasm”.
Again you assume I support Nazi ideology. You think whatever you say is right and everything else is good. Posting link from current Affaire sold media outlet and claiming to be super expert.
I don’t care who you’re and what you idol is. Am least bother. get well soon though you said you’re Indian but I highly doubt. You have zero sense of what ppl of india want.

there is zero argument that you produce which has some logical sense. Just he did and she said and posting link.

I will distance myself from your arguments which are nothing just air with sense of “know all”.

Btw, this is usual habit of ppl who feel they have nothing logical to add. They get excited in debates and bring all sources from here and there and claim to be knowing all. This is first sign of ppl who have no clue what is happening and have been leaving in their lalala land.
 

Hunter96

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No state has a 'right to exist', that's an imaginary right.
And Israel does not have the right to self defence over the people they are illegally occupying.

Its always been the same story.
States like US and Canada has never faces regular terrorist attacked and threats the way other countries faced or are facing. That because of geographical advantage so ppl living in these countries have no clue how it feels like to remain scared as well as alert.

Now New York Times is credible because they throw a word “Native” for Palestine? Not very convincing.
Israel predate Palestine but Jews dispersed due to versions reasons. In 1948, Israel declare itself a nation and submitted to UN but Gaza and West Bank territories never submitted to UN as Palestine by Muslim countries which were controlling. Who is at fault?
 

Phil C. McNasty

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It looks like a couple of things. It looks like they were doing a photo op. And it also looks like they ran out of ammo to do this
Yeah right :D

Also, are you familiar with roof knocking??
Its what the IDF does before it bombs a terrorist hideout.
It gives innocent civilians enough time to vacate the premises.
Granted this video was taken before the war, but it shows that Israel is not interested in killing random people as you claim.
If they really wanted to commit genocide they wouldnt give them any warning

 

Phil C. McNasty

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The 37000 dead civilians, the UN special reports, the cases at the ICJ, and the mountains of video evidence beg to differ
What about the 1,200 dead Israelis that Hamas intentionally killed??

Also, I question that 37,000 figure. Sounds heavily inflated
 

Klatuu

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The 37000 dead civilians, the UN special reports, the cases at the ICJ, and the mountains of video evidence beg to differ.
That, and the tendency of POS Nation to warn women and children to move to a safety zone and then massacre the women and children in the safety zone
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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The 37000 civilians that Israel intentionally killed is 60 times bigger and more of an issue. Also it was not 1200 civilians. It was 600 civilians. 500 were military personnel who were fair game. 100 minimally were killed by Israel via employ of the Hannibal directive. The rest were killed by Hamas.

And the Gaza ministry of health numbers are accepted not just by the UN but also by Israel itself. They are the gold standard for casualty counts in Gaza
Post a link where Israel says the 37,000 civilian number is true, please
 

richaceg

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The way genocide Joe turned around was hilarious! This guy is useless! 😂

Another example of the left eating itself...wasn't Joe B the "messiah" that saved the US from MAGA? I remember franky praising sleepy Joe as one of the best president that has the highest success rate or something....
You've been CONNED...but not by Trump...well Trump basically conned you too...by making you think he's gonna start WW3...
😂😂
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Here you go:

Israeli intelligence services have studied civilian casualty figures released by the Hamas-run Ministry of Health in Gaza and concluded the figures were generally accurate, despite earlier public claims by U.S. and Israeli officials that the ministry’s statistics are manipulated.


And also, if you look at past conflicts, the UN casualty counts and the Gaza Ministry of Health numbers have been within 2 to 4% of each other. Not to mention the Gaza Ministry of Health has a very methodical way of accounting for casualties with PII data, which they also released on request earlier during this conflict.

Even very renowned journals like The Lancet have deemed the Gaza Ministry of Health Numbers accurate.

No evidence of inflated mortality reporting from the Gaza Ministry of Health - The Lancet
No, those are 2 left leaning news outlets who quote questionable sources.
Vice quotes some guy named Yuval Avraham.
And Lancet are literally quoting Gaza Ministry of Health....LOL.

I ask you to show me where Israel (the Israeli government) admits 37,000 civilians have been killed.
I'll be waiting
 

richaceg

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Both Trump and Joe are senile geriatrics that have no business running for Presidency. The choice is really between a senile convicted criminal and rapist vs a senile idiot. Yes in the battle of the geriatrics, I'd choose the senile idiot over the senior criminal. But Joe is not left. Just 10 years ago he was saying marriage was solely between a man and a woman. lol.
The left embraced Joe...you're in denial....Joe embraced every "woke" agenda the left threw at him to get votes...really the art of the steal....in terms of war... Joe 2 - Trump 0
 

richaceg

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As I said, between Trump and Joe, the choice is always Joe. He is not actually woke and you'd be naive to think that an 80 year old man is "woke". He may have simply lied about being woke, but I will take lying about being woke any day over a rapist criminal.
Sure...You support Joe...you support Israel....game set match...
 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Vice is left center, which is even better because it makes them even more credible than some kooky right wing news outlet like Faux News. And Lancet is a peer reviewed medical journal, that has been published for the last 200 years. And you dont have to wait. I already showed you, in my post how the Israeli government admits that the civilian casualty counts
No, you're making up bullshit. Vice quotes unnamed sources.
I asked for an offical Israeli government statement that verifies 37,000 civilian deaths.

Also from your link:
In the first weeks of the invasion, as civilian casualty figures began to rise to levels never seen in prior Arab-Israeli conflicts, the numbers of dead and wounded released by the health ministry became a focal point of criticism because of the association with Hamas. Pro-Israeli political interest groups and even U.S. President Joe Biden questioned the impartiality of the toll.
On Oct. 27, he told reporters that he had "no confidence in the number that the Palestinians are using.”
Even Joe Biden questions the number that the Palestinians are using, and has no confidence in them
 

Frankfooter

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Yeah right :D

Also, are you familiar with roof knocking??
Its what the IDF does before it bombs a terrorist hideout.
It gives innocent civilians enough time to vacate the premises.
Granted this video was taken before the war, but it shows that Israel is not interested in killing random people as you claim.
If they really wanted to commit genocide they wouldnt give them any warning

So you think its ok to kill people if you tell them you're going to do it first?

 

Frankfooter

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Although I agree that Joe is the better choice than Trump, I dont support Israel or Joe or Trump. I can be against all 3, which I am. I was just telling Valcazar the other day how I wanted Joe to lose the election as punishment for his stance on Israel. Infact, in this very thread.
That really pisses off valcazar, doesn't it?
What he won't accept is that dems chose to not stop Biden.
They took AIPAC money and they will lose for backing genocide.

 
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Frankfooter

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No, you're making up bullshit. Vice quotes unnamed sources.
I asked for an offical Israeli government statement that verifies 37,000 civilian deaths.
Nobody knows the real number of dead anymore.
Bodies were counted previously in hospitals, but all the hospitals are not functioning.
Nobody can retrieve the bodies buried in rubble or move them to be counted.
And you can't count bodies easily when they are just parts of bodies in rubble.

There are reports that 150,000 Palestinians are 'missing', which means they are likely dead and buried in rubble.
So the real number of dead is likely between 150,000 and 400,000.

 
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Phil C. McNasty

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Joe Biden was the one who started gaslighting people on the casualty counts. So that is not a point for your argument
Now you're accusing Biden of gaslighting?? 😂


It is case closed
No, it isnt closed at all.
You're just going by the numbers you choose to believe
 

richaceg

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Although I agree that Joe is the better choice than Trump, I dont support Israel or Joe or Trump. I can be against all 3, which I am. I was just telling Valcazar the other day how I wanted Joe to lose the election as punishment for his stance on Israel. Infact, in this very thread.
If you wanted Joe to lose, it means you wanted Trump to win... again...game...set...match...
 
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