Angel Hernandez-Good Riddance!!

[unassuming]

Angel Hernandez, the blind as a bat , worst home plate umpire has retired!

I wonder if MLB forced his hand?

He's out: Polarizing MLB umpire Angel Hernandez retires

Angel Hernandez, who has worked as an umpire in the majors for over three decades, is expected to announce his retirement, USA Today's Bob Nightengale reported Monday.

www.sportsnet.ca

 

[Insidious Von]

I got confused. I though you meant the Patriots Tight End who committed suicide on prison - an autopsy revealed he had severe CTE.

 

[tml]

First ballot hall of fame?????

 

[shack]

No. MLB was able to prove that the difference in the rate of promotions between different races was too insignificant to demonstrate that there was a racial bias. He appealed and lost that as well.

The fact that he caused MLB so much trouble, did not ingratiate him to the league and did in fact weigh into their decisions regarding certain assignments but not in terms of promotions. He made too many games about himself and not the game.

Joe West was 69 when he quit. Not sure if he was the oldest.

 

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Umps like west and the guy that caused the tigers pitcher the no hitter think they are the show. Umps get massive egos over time. Some hockey refs do too. Old timers like Paul Stewart used to love the no helmet days with the names on the back.

Reminds me of a story I heard many years ago. A referee told Bobby Clarke to get his stick on the ice for the faceoff. Clarke told him to shut up and that the fans weren't there paying to see him(the ref).

 

[shack]

Reminds me of a story I heard many years ago. A referee told Bobby Clarke to get his stick on the ice for the faceoff. Clarke told him to shut up and that the fans weren't there paying to see him(the ref).

Bobby Clarke always was a slimeball.

He fired Roger Nielson when he got cancer and justified it by saying "Well, we didn't tell him to get cancer."

 

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Bobby Clarke always was a slimeball.

He fired Roger Nielson when he got cancer and justified it by saying "Well, we didn't tell him to get cancer."

While I grudgingly acknowledge his skill and leadership, I didn't care much for his style or ethics. Another Clarke story. In the 70's the Flyer players would meet at a bar or restaurant after a game or practice. One rule: no wives or girlfriends. One time a couple of Flyer players brought their significant others to the get together. No one said anything, but after a few minutes Clarke quietly moved to another table. One by one, the other Flyer players joined him eventually leaving the 2 Flyers and their significant others at the original table on their own. Message sent, message received.

One time I actually sided with Clarke was an incident he had with Paul Henderson. IIRC it happened during one of the anniversaries of the 1972 Canada/Russia summit series. After so many years Henderson made comments critical of Clarke's infamous slash of Kharlamov.. Clarke didn't appreciate the comments, and Henderson went into damage control. I thought it was a bit classless of Henderson to make the comments.

 

[shack]

I thought it was a bit classless of Henderson to make the comments.

Do you recall what Henderson said and if so, even though it may have not been appropriate due to its' poor timing, was he wrong in the substance of what he said?

 

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He even tried to sue MLB for not having him ump the WS.

 

[maurice93]

Umps like west and the guy that caused the tigers pitcher the no hitter think they are the show. Umps get massive egos over time. Some hockey refs do too. Old timers like Paul Stewart used to love the no helmet days with the names on the back.

Jim Joyce (the ump in the Gallaraga "perfect" game) is a pretty good ump and a decent guy. He admitted he screwed up after seeing the replay, and felt like shit.
He is not in the category of Angel Hernandez.

 

[The Oracle]

Do you recall what Henderson said and if so, even though it may have not been appropriate due to its' poor timing, was he wrong in the substance of what he said?

https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/paul-henderson-sorry-for-criticizing-clarke-slash-1.320565

Clarke was a three time Hart trophy winner...How many players can say that?

 

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https://www.cbc.ca/sports/hockey/paul-henderson-sorry-for-criticizing-clarke-slash-1.320565

Clarke was a three time Hart trophy winner...How many players can say that?

So Clarke and Pete Rose and Barry Bonds and O.J. Simpson and Aaron Hernandez and Ty Cobb are examples of stand up guys because they won awards?

And I was correct that Henderson apologized for the timing of his comment, not the content itself. Bobby Clarke was a slimeball.

 

[The Oracle]

So Clarke and Pete Rose and Barry Bonds and O.J. Simpson and Aaron Hernandez and Ty Cobb are examples of stand up guys because they won awards?

And I was correct that Henderson apologized for the timing of his comment, not the content itself. Bobby Clarke was a slimeball.

Wayne Gretzky has won the most Hart Trophies with nine, followed by Gordie Howe with six and Eddie Shore with four. Howie Morenz, Bobby Orr, Bobby Clarke, Alex Ovechkin, and Mario Lemieux have won the award three times each.

That's some elite names right there.

 

[shack]

Wayne Gretzky has won the most Hart Trophies with nine, followed by Gordie Howe with six and Eddie Shore with four. Howie Morenz, Bobby Orr, Bobby Clarke, Alex Ovechkin, and Mario Lemieux have won the award three times each.

That's some elite names right there.

Without a doubt.

But the discussion evolved into game officials showing up athletes and how athletes could put them in their place. The problem was when Clarke was referenced in one such situation. Clarke was a good leader, but he was not a good person and as such that particular situation lost some impact, IMHO, by Clarke being in it. He has zero moral high ground. Eddie Shore was a nasty piece of work as well. I think he ended Ace Bailey's career with some dirty stickwork.

 

[The Oracle]

Without a doubt.

But the discussion evolved into game officials showing up athletes and how athletes could put them in their place. The problem was when Clarke was referenced in one such situation. Clarke was a good leader, but he was not a good person and as such that particular situation lost some impact, IMHO, by Clarke being in it. Eddie Shore was a nasty piece of work as well. I think he ended Ace Bailey's career with some dirty stickwork.

'In the second period, Boston defenceman Eddie Shore hit Bailey from behind. His skull was fractured in the fall, and he was carried from the ice. Doctors feared for Bailey's life in the days that followed, and he underwent two brain surgeries before he was in the clear''

 

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'In the second period, Boston defenceman Eddie Shore hit Bailey from behind. His skull was fractured in the fall, and he was carried from the ice. Doctors feared for Bailey's life in the days that followed, and he underwent two brain surgeries before he was in the clear''

Not that it matters, but I think Shore mistakenly thought Bailey had given him a cheap shot earlier in the game. It was another player. The silver lining is the special tribute game the players had for Bailey turned into the annual all star game.

 

[The Oracle]

Without a doubt.

But the discussion evolved into game officials showing up athletes and how athletes could put them in their place. The problem was when Clarke was referenced in one such situation. Clarke was a good leader, but he was not a good person and as such that particular situation lost some impact, IMHO, by Clarke being in it. He has zero moral high ground. Eddie Shore was a nasty piece of work as well. I think he ended Ace Bailey's career with some dirty stickwork.

Clarke's teammates loved him. Fact is that he would go through a wall to win for his team.

 

[The Oracle]

Not that it matters, but I think Shore mistakenly thought Bailey had given him a cheap shot earlier in the game. It was another player. The silver lining is the special tribute game the players had for Bailey turned into the annual all star game.

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''To the end, Bailey bore Shore no grudge. “We’re good friends and I see Eddie often,” he told the Globe and Mail in 1967. “He was the best hockey player of that day and certainly the greatest defenseman ever.”

 

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Clarke's teammates loved him. Fact is that he would go through a wall to win for his team.

The old saying, he's the kind of guy you hate playing against but would love to have on your team. Brad Marchand, Ken Linesman, and Claude Lemieux come to mind. I respect Clarke, but dislike him. If he spent his career with the Leafs, I'd be singing his praises.

 

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Do you recall what Henderson said and if so, even though it may have not been appropriate due to its' poor timing, was he wrong in the substance of what he said?

Oracle did a great job posting information about the incident, so I won't. Yes, Henderson apologized which was a classy act and it didn't surprise me. It just seemed like he originally stabbed Clarke in the back. Those who bask in glory, like Henderson has for 50 years, shouldn't shit on the people who did the dirty work to help out. I would never want to hear Gretzky criticize Mcsorley or Semenko for fighting.