Blue Jays 2024
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I say screw it and start selling. To buy means depleting a mediocre farm system
Trade ALL free agents but fire management first
You do not want the same management that messed this team up rebuiding it
Toronto has some serious value to sell in Yusei Kikuchi, Yimi García, Danny Jansen and Justin Turner
Other players set to hit the open market after this season include Trevor Richards,
Kevin Kiermaier and Daniel Vogelbach.
Free agents after 2025 are Bo Bichette and Vladimir Guerrero, Jordan Romano, Chris Bassitt, Erik Swanson,
Tim Mayza, Chad Green, Cavan Biggio, Isiah Kiner-Falefa and Génesis Cabrera.
Kevin Gausman, George Springer, Alejandro Kirk and Daulton Varsho all becoming free agents following the 2026 campaign.
On top of that, José Berríos can opt out of his seven-year, $131-million contract after that season.
Trade ALL free agents but fire management first
You do not want the same management that messed this team up rebuiding it
Toronto has some serious value to sell in Yusei Kikuchi, Yimi García, Danny Jansen and Justin Turner
Other players set to hit the open market after this season include Trevor Richards,
Kevin Kiermaier and Daniel Vogelbach.
Free agents after 2025 are Bo Bichette and Vladimir Guerrero, Jordan Romano, Chris Bassitt, Erik Swanson,
Tim Mayza, Chad Green, Cavan Biggio, Isiah Kiner-Falefa and Génesis Cabrera.
Kevin Gausman, George Springer, Alejandro Kirk and Daulton Varsho all becoming free agents following the 2026 campaign.
On top of that, José Berríos can opt out of his seven-year, $131-million contract after that season.
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I think I'd let Vladdy and Bo both walk after next year. I would look to re-sign Romano, Bassitt, Swanson and maybe Mayza and Green.
No doubt I'd be trading Kikuchi right now while the value is high. Same with Yimi. I think I'd like to keep both Jansen and Turner though, at least for another season.
No doubt I'd be trading Kikuchi right now while the value is high. Same with Yimi. I think I'd like to keep both Jansen and Turner though, at least for another season.
5 year rebuild means everyone goes when we are only one more big bat away from contending as you know Bo will find his form
Selling FAs Kikuchi, Yimi García, Danny Jansen and Justin Turner , Richards, Kevin Kiermaier and Daniel Vogelbach.
makes total sense if are .500 at deadline
Get top prospects in return and go after FAs next year then we can contend
Selling FAs Kikuchi, Yimi García, Danny Jansen and Justin Turner , Richards, Kevin Kiermaier and Daniel Vogelbach.
makes total sense if are .500 at deadline
Get top prospects in return and go after FAs next year then we can contend
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- Jun 15, 2004
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This team could’ve been such a juggernaut if they played their cards right from 2021. To start this season, I was feeling so good about them, and now I feel so shit about them. What a drastic turn of events in my gut feeling. This absolutely stinks! What are they going to do? Things are really bad.
Philip
Philip
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He really is an idiot. He keeps changing the roster every year thinking it’s OK with no concept of team chemistry. He really is a dumbass. He hides from the media now like a little coward.
Philip
Schneider can only work with what Atkins gives him. Nobody is hitting and the bullpen may be the worst in the majors. Schneider's hands are tied. I'm not saying that he's Connie Mack, but it's hard to put the blame on him.
I think the people that are saying no way should Swanson be put in there are the same people who wanted him to replace Romano as closer last year.
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I was referring to Ross Atkins.
Hey if we do the math lol Guerrero is on pace to hit about 15 home runs this year. Go leafs go…
Philip
Hey if we do the math lol Guerrero is on pace to hit about 15 home runs this year. Go leafs go…
Philip
Yes. I was referring to the people calling for Schneider's head. I was saying that he can only do so much based on the non-competitive roster Atkins has given him.
Same old Manoah.
Might be smarter at this point to try him as a reliever
Might be smarter at this point to try him as a reliever
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Did you see the Guerrero home run yesterday? Rounding the bases like the most feared hitter on the planet that got you good…..lol
Good point. It seems like the second time through the order, they are laying off his slider no matter how sharp it is. I always felt like that was his downfall. They were laying off his slider, forcing him to come back in the zone, and they are sitting back and whacking him. Kind of reminds me of Roger Clemens once the league learned to layoff the splitter. But Roger is god, and he adjusted.
Philip
The guy I remember most for losing his effectiveness because batters started to lay off his out pitch would be Mark Eichhorn.
Mark Eichhorn's 1987 game logs.
Two completely different profiles, one for 1986 and opening day through June 8, 1987, and the other for after that.
Jim Abbott's career stats:
At a certain point, every team clued in to the fact that they could tell which pitch Abbott was going to throw next by looking at his hand while he gripped the ball. Having been born without a right hand, Abbott could not use his glove to hide his grip. Those 1996 numbers are possibly the worst for any pitcher from the past 100 years who threw that many innings.
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I remember both pitchers quite well. I remember with Mark Eichorn, in the beginning hitters were chasing that slider 3 feet outside like Guerrero does lol. And then yes they laid off.
I remember Jim Abbott having stuff that resembled Steve Avery, and a little bit of Todd Stottlemeyer with his breaking ball. Jim Abbotts record was very similar to Roger Clemens in 1991 where Clemens won the Cy Young award, so he must’ve been some kind of a finalist at 18 and 11.
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