That is the complaint I see some people levelling.
Israel at war
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Ditto on all of this.
I’ll add that the process started on Oct 7 is still unfolding and not a single development has been favorable to the McCountry.
From the travesty of the appalling performance of the IDF, the genocide of Palestinians, the exposed incessant lying of Israel, the awakening of the ICC and IJC, the loss of stature globally, the growing cost supporters are beginning to endure, the attack by Iran on Israel, the growing conflict with Hezbollah, the widening divisions within the Jewish community, the willingness of people around the world to express their revulsion with Israel’s action, the complete rejection of the manipulative use of the charge of antisemitism and the global student uprising…..Israel is a waning player.
Agreed, murdering 1,200 civilians, or in this case 300-600 civilians is not self defence.
Murdering 35,000 civilians, including 25,000 women and children is therefore also not self defence.
Yes, self determination means having a say in the country you live, including the rights of citizenship and citizens.
I don't back any of those things.
Why do you back an illegal occupation?
Why do you back colonialism?
Why do you back apartheid?
Why do you back genocide?
I disagree.
Take the ICC and ICJ. For countries like Canada and the EU, they won't be able to justify supporting a government or leaders charged with genocide. JT has already said he'll abide by ICC rulings. That means sanctions and that means more pressure towards the US, who largely stands alone already in their support of Israel.
Even going by your plan there is zero chance of Palestinians ever agreeing to that form for a two state solution. None. And why would they? They would gain nothing but to make the walls around the bantustans permanent and their opportunities to work behind Israeli lines disappear.
A couple of years ago the reports detailing Israeli apartheid came out, the last round of violence in 2021 was the start of Palestinian supporting being labelled as PLM and tied to BLM. This time the ground support is massive. Biden will lose the election over support of Israel, AIPAC is publicly hated and support for Israel limited to those over 65, with everyone under 30 understanding Israel to be apartheid and committing genocide.
How does zionism survive being associated with genocide now?
Already we have the Greens and NDP calling out for Palestinian rights.
The liberals are pro Israeli but feeling the pressure, cue JT's statement about the ICC.
With American students setting up tents on campuses? I thought that it started this way.
Internal resistance to apartheid - Wikipedia
Call me what you wish, but I am talking the truth to you.
It was Geno's comment that was inaccurate.
Then why are Hamas using their own people as human shields as their method of self defense. Hamas intentionally triggered an enormous increase in Israeli aggression on Oct.7 after having built their military infrastructure directly alongside civilian populations, hospitals and schools.
Self-determination does not mean being automatically granted citizenship, the vote, healthcare etc.. Just like Kautilya said he did for Canada, certain rules, standards, conditions, tests etc. must be met. Every sovereign nation on the globe has the right to impose whatever standards they wish for someone to attain those benefits.
I asked:
Why do you back terrorism.
Why do you back denying your citizens free and fair elections.
Why do you back using human shields.
Why do you back executing people because of their sexual preferences.
Why do you back taking infants as hostages and then you back defying UN, ICC, ICJ orders to return those hostages immediately and unconditionally.
The fact that you do not condemn Hamas for any of these actions means that you most certainly do support them.
You've accused everyone who disagrees with a word you say, of which there are dozens and dozens, of backing all those things to the point that your accusations are considered nothing more than bombast. Maybe you shouldn't have cried wolf so often.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internal_resistance_to_apartheid
Good point, Mandela and the ANC used violence against apartheid South Africa.
They were listed as terrorists by the US until 2008.
But if you look further down that page you'll see entries for international students amongst others.
You are less truthful than Netanyahu.
Why are you ok with Israel murdering 25,000 women and children, hammy?
You said you're against killing civilians.
So you don't back equal rights.
As we knew.
And I told you, I don't support any of those.
Its you that supports an illegal occupation, illegal blockade, apartheid, terrorism and genocide.
I keep calling for it all to end and for charges to both sides.
I'm repeating reports by the UN and human rights organizations, hammy.
Its you that's in denial.
Gaza war: UN rights expert accuses Israel of acts of genocide
Francesca Albanese says Israel seeks to destroy Palestinians, in a report Israel calls "outrageous".
www.bbc.com
Impressive
www.jpost.com
US Marines official: Nearly half of drones IDF shoots down are its own
Since the IDF has one of the world's most advanced integrated air defense systems, if this is an issue for Israel’s military, it is likely to be an issue for other militaries worldwide.
www.jpost.com
I asked:
Why do you back terrorism.
Why do you back denying your citizens free and fair elections.
Why do you back using human shields.
Why do you back executing people because of their sexual preferences.
Why do you back taking infants as hostages and then you back defying UN, ICC, ICJ orders to return those hostages immediately and unconditionally.
Tell us that you condemn the terrorist attack of Oct.7.
Tell us you condemn Hamas for not allowing free and fair democratic elections in Gaza since they took power almost 20 years ago.
Tell us you condemn the Houthis for sentencing LGBTQ to death because of their sexual preferences.
Tell us you condemn Hamas taking hostages including elderly, infirmed and infant hostages.
Tell us you condemn Hamas for not returning the hostages in spite of ICJ, ICC and UN orders.
I'd stake my TERB membership that you will not give a single word answer of YES to all of these, let alone a single one.
As such, you admit that you've lied and you DO support these actions.
Why do you back terrorism.
Why do you back denying your citizens free and fair elections.
Why do you back using human shields.
Why do you back executing people because of their sexual preferences.
Why do you back taking infants as hostages and then you back defying UN, ICC, ICJ orders to return those hostages immediately and unconditionally.
In that case, unequivocally:
Tell us that you condemn the terrorist attack of Oct.7.
Tell us you condemn Hamas for not allowing free and fair democratic elections in Gaza since they took power almost 20 years ago.
Tell us you condemn the Houthis for sentencing LGBTQ to death because of their sexual preferences.
Tell us you condemn Hamas taking hostages including elderly, infirmed and infant hostages.
Tell us you condemn Hamas for not returning the hostages in spite of ICJ, ICC and UN orders.
I'd stake my TERB membership that you will not give a single word answer of YES to all of these, let alone a single one.
As such, you admit that you've lied and you DO support these actions.
