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Frankfooter

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shack said:
You are flailing. This is a protest in Germany Were those American police?

This has nothing to do with Israel, as an ally of the US, protecting American interests in the Middle East.
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All Israel gives the US is hate, racism and police state tactics
www.amnestyusa.org

Where Do Many Police Departments Train? In Israel

U.S. law enforcement agencies need partners for effective training to strengthen their identified weak areas. Israel is not such a partner.
www.amnestyusa.org www.amnestyusa.org

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Kautilya said:
Butler provided his own imaginary scenarios that have no basis in history of this particular conflict, and are therefore off topic, and as such require no further discussion, as that would derail the thread. My predictions about what may transpire in Gaza are more in line with reality and history, something you'd be wise to learn from which could possibly help you see the reality of the genocide Israel is committing in Gaza. And no, I am not supposed to do anything.

No he did not infer that. His comment was in the context of this thread and in the context of Israel and Palestine. You imagined that and ended up pretzeling yourself.
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The history is Israel continues to gain ground, add settlements and further hem them in. Cripes that's what you all continue to bitch about!

This is just the next steps.
 
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Kautilya said:
Yes. That is why it is an occupation.
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And my point show how various forces are involved in seeing it through. The Israelis, Saudis, Europe, Egypt, Jordan, smaller Gulf states and USA don't give a shit about the Palestinians. They see them as bad actors who at various times have lied, committed terrorist acts, assassinated or attempted coups on leaderships, or supported other trying to do the same. And are direct allies of Iran. Thats just the politics. Now add on the wasted economic opportunities, drain of monies for their perpetual refugee status due to their own corruption, ineptitude and religious zealotry, and oil companies wanting to exploit massive reserves, and arms dealers making money with a massive deal to come, and they are well and truly fucked.

7 months, no one has helped them. And no one will.
 
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Kautilya said:
That western nations dont care about the Palestinians, and instead view them as sub-humans, is not insight. That other countries cannot and are not in a position to help the Palestinians militarily or economically, is not insight. That the Palestinians are brutalized in full view of the world, with no one doing anything about it is, again, not insight.

This is the status quo and this is the way it has been for the last 75 years - not just the last 7 months - this conflict is not 7 months old. So I am not sure why you keep repeating this over and over again, for 800 pages, every time you comment, as if you are bringing something new to the table. You are not and there is nothing to be said about it, except - YES. We know. It is injustice, war crime, ethnic cleansing and genocide.

The fact that all of these things are happening, is why you see protests on the streets of Toronto. It is why you see protests in college campuses.

But I am not sure what unique point you are actually trying to make, that is not common knowledge, and has been common knowledge for decades already.

The only debate here is, which side you are going to take? Are you going to take the side of Israel because they are white, European, developed and wealthy, even if they engage in outright lies, propaganda and racist uncivilized crimes against humanity? Or are you going to take the side of poor, defenseless people, who have been unjustly occupied, ethnically cleansed, brutalized, oppressed and mass murdered, for the last 75 years?

And I know on that question you have already said you support the former, as was evident from your exchanges with Valcazar. So not sure, again, what it is that is unique that you want me to respond to?
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My point is that you seem to be under the idea that the protests will change things. They won't.

And the Palestinians are terrorists, religious zealots, coup formenters, and are just as likely to genocide the Jews. Which is the other point I'm making. Having the choice, I will support Israel first, as a Westerner who supports western values. The Palestinians are not the underdogs, just the eventual losers on this long war. Just like the Tamil Tigers, and so many others who decide to go down swinging.
 
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Butler1000 said:
My point is that you seem to be under the idea that the protests will change things. They won't.

And the Palestinians are terrorists, religious zealots, coup formenters, and are just as likely to genocide the Jews. Which is the other point I'm making. Having the choice, I will support Israel first, as a Westerner who supports western values. The Palestinians are not the underdogs, just the eventual losers on this long war. Just like the Tamil Tigers, and so many others who decide to go down swinging.
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So you'll support genocide because your racism makes you think all Palestinians are terrorists?

I'm voting NDP now.
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Butler1000 said:
And my point show how various forces are involved in seeing it through. The Israelis, Saudis, Europe, Egypt, Jordan, smaller Gulf states and USA don't give a shit about the Palestinians. They see them as bad actors who at various times have lied, committed terrorist acts, assassinated or attempted coups on leaderships, or supported other trying to do the same. And are direct allies of Iran. Thats just the politics. Now add on the wasted economic opportunities, drain of monies for their perpetual refugee status due to their own corruption, ineptitude and religious zealotry, and oil companies wanting to exploit massive reserves, and arms dealers making money with a massive deal to come, and they are well and truly fucked.

7 months, no one has helped them. And no one will.
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The fairytales of Ziontology
 
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Kautilya said:
On that you have to agree. Zionists and white supremacists do share the same values.

Here is the full documentary. It is a documentary of the 1948 Nakba. I'll watch it today.

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So do, I guess all the Arabs in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Jordan.......then of course there is the 300,000 killed in the Yemeni civil war, 250,000 killed in the Syrian civil war. But when its Arabs slaughtering Arabs in Islamic sectarian violence no protests, no calls for sanctions, intervention or sid.

See how that argument just falls apart with the truth. Violence is normalized in the Middle East. Especially by Muslims.
 
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Kautilya said:
So? They are not acts of genocide, but the Israeli killings, are. If you want to talk about other wars then the Americans have killed far more than all of those numbers put together, just in Afghanistan and Iraq. So using your logic one can make the argument, that violence is normalized by the west, no? See how your argument crashes and burns just as you thought it was good?
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NOT ACTS OF GENOCIDE.....

There you have it folks. Killing 300,000 isn't genocide. Its perfectly acceptable losses to civilians in a proxy war between Iran and Saudi Arabia. And Bashir using cluster bombs and chemical weapons is also just fine too. Nothing to see here. Because there aren't any Jews to hate.
 
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