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squeezer

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The invasion wasn't really much of a surprise. Peter Zeihan predicted
it with high confidence way back some year after 2014,
It's kind of like the prediction by many that if Putin isn't stopped he will keep on going after Ukraine is conquered.
 

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It's kind of like the prediction by many that if Putin isn't stopped he will keep on going after Ukraine is conquered.
Putin better isn't stopped altogether too soon for the U.S. military industries
are charging nearly $8k per 155 mm artillery shell.
 
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Do not underestimate the stupidity of people in a group ;) Politicians often win by a 'fuck you vote'. Look at Brexit...

Trump is the absolute fuck you vote. Anyone who is fed up with the cost of life, gas prices, out-of-hand immigration, and homeless crisis... will vote Trump. Thinking that mother fucker can do anything about it without remembering they waited for 4 years for his healthcare plan reform which he said would be so great!
The death wish vote, like the lost cause. Trump flag is the new losers flag. And the more facts you throw at them:
No amount of evidence will persuade an idiot.
Mark Twain
 

squeezer

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Putin better isn't stopped altogether too soon for the U.S. military industries
are charging nearly $8k per 155 mm artillery shell.
I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. Maybe you're mixing up your Russian with your English?? ;)

You do know the US sends Ukraine their current older weapons and the money goes to manufacturing shiny brand new ones for their stockpile.

Please tell me what is wrong with this. Why does it bother you so much that Ukraine is receiving assistance yet you don't care about N.Korea, Iran and China helping Russia, why not? Why does it burn your ass so much about the US spending money on their military operations but not the other 3 countries?
 

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Please tell me what is wrong with this. Why does it bother you so much that Ukraine is receiving assistance yet you don't care about N.Korea, Iran and China helping Russia, why not? Why does it burn your ass so much about the US spending money on their military operations but not the other 3 countries?
Not that my ass is burnt nor did I think the U.S. is no better than
China and other Russian-friendly countries in the way they benefit
from the Ukraine war. There is a difference you may overlook though.
China, Iran, North Korea and India are not helping Russia like the U.S.
is helping Ukraine at taxpayers expense. If China and India are buying
Russian oil at discount prices it is their industries and citizens who
are the beneficiaries. If China, Iran and North Korea are selling
Russia ammunition or machine parts for military purpose they get
paid from Russia. Russia had been selling its gold reserves to cover
war expenses. In the U.S. Lockheed Martin and Raytheon are laughing
to the banks. But the money they received is government money raised by
selling debt that could be spent on helping struggling citizens.
 

squeezer

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But the money they received is government money raised by
selling debt that could be spent on helping struggling citizens.
First off are you sure China, N.Korea, Iran are getting paid besides perhaps cheap oil. Secondly, do you believe the Repugs would allow the Dems to help the poor struggling citizens??? Come on man, give it a break and stop being a cheerleader for Putin.

One more thing, do you see folks in huge numbers trying to immigrate to N.Korea, China, Russia, and Iran?? Hmmmm, if the taxpayers have it so bad in the US, why the heck are they not rushing to get into these great countries you seem to believe have it right?
 

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Sorry i should have worded that differently for you. "Spending billions of dollars (doesnt matter who is producing the weapons) on a proxy war that Ukraine does not have a hope in hell of winning"

It is still laundering taxpayer money my man.

Would you be okay with China and Russia funding Canada to fight the USA? Knowing that it is a suicide mission? That is basically what is happening right now in Ukraine.
I'm not going to debate if this conflict is winnable. Ukraine is defending its homeland. Just like the Vietnamese against the USA. While not exactly similar, I think just laying down and letting Russia takeover is a terrible idea. Would you do the same if the US invaded Canada?

And, here's something to think about: that money being spent on military equipment is still going into the US economy. While it could be spent on better things, like healthcare or education, allowing Russia to basically rollover anyone it wants is not good policy. You should look at a history book, there is this dude, Neville Chamberlin, who though allowing Hitler to take Czechoslovakia would appease him and mean no further conflict. That lasted a couple of years...
 

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I'm not going to debate if this conflict is winnable. Ukraine is defending its homeland. Just like the Vietnamese against the USA. While not exactly similar, I think just laying down and letting Russia takeover is a terrible idea. Would you do the same if the US invaded Canada?

And, here's something to think about: that money being spent on military equipment is still going into the US economy. While it could be spent on better things, like healthcare or education, allowing Russia to basically rollover anyone it wants is not good policy. You should look at a history book, there is this dude, Neville Chamberlin, who though allowing Hitler to take Czechoslovakia would appease him and mean no further conflict. That lasted a couple of years...
If the US invaded Canada, I would certainly let the US take over!! Ukraine has absolutely no chance, to win this war against Russia!! The money being spent by the US on Ukraine, is making a lot of US citizens homeless!!
 
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If the US invaded Canada, I would certainly let the US take over!! Ukraine has absolutely no chance, to win this war against Russia!! The money being spent by the US on Ukraine, is making a lot of US citizens homeless!!
First: Yeah, I'm shocked you'd roll over to an invader....
Second, in what way does this money being spent on munitions make US citizens homeless? Are you saying the money should be used for social programs or affordable housing? Because that sure as fuck isn't what the GOP want to use it for....
 

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You should look at a history book, there is this dude, Neville Chamberlin, who though allowing Hitler to take Czechoslovakia would appease him and mean no further conflict. That lasted a couple of years...
There is another way to look at how nations manage warfare in WWII.
France took on Hitler and lost. And yet France is judged favorably by
history to this day despite being the Nazi's unwilling collaborator through
the war years.
 

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There is another way to look at how nations manage warfare in WWII.
France took on Hitler and lost. And yet France is judged favorably by
history to this day despite being the Nazi's unwilling collaborator through
the war years.
Is it? I seem to remember people making fun of the French military. I mean, yes, they surrendered after they basically got their asses handed to them in a shockingly quick time....But do you remember what happened to the leaders of Vichy France? They were detested, tried with treason and would have been executed. But instead they got their sentence commuted to life in prison.

There were also thousands of "Free French" who fought the Nazis. They fought in the air and on the sea. They took part in the invasion of Europe.

People will fight for their country and freedom. And we should support them. Russia is throwing its weight around. They have/had the advantage in man power and the number of military equipment. But, they cannot seem to advance. So, while it might take a monumental effort, Ukraine is still in this. I think it is important to understand that surrender gives Russia what it wants. And that could/will embolden them to do more. The are a paper super power. They have nukes, but not much else. They can protect themselves from military invasion, but they want to ensure they are an economic leader in their sphere of influence....and most in that sphere would rather be with Europe.
 

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There were also thousands of "Free French" who fought the Nazis. They fought in the air and on the sea. They took part in the invasion of Europe.
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That is why I said France is judged favorably by history in my post. Apparently
France is not remembered as vividly by its other war efforts:

a) Providing the Nazis with port to launch U-boat attacks. Pretty
much all ships sunk and lives lost in the Atlantic can be partially
blamed on France.

b) Collaborating with the Nazis in sending Jews, sometimes the
whole families, to concentration camp.

c) the Battle of Normandy dragged on longer than Eisehower's plan
by weeks. French resistance were next to useless in aiding the allies.

Execution of a handful of leaders of Vichy France is a small price
to pay to have saved Paris from pillage.
 

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First: Yeah, I'm shocked you'd roll over to an invader....
Second, in what way does this money being spent on munitions make US citizens homeless? Are you saying the money should be used for social programs or affordable housing? Because that sure as fuck isn't what the GOP want to use it for....
Why not. Canada's military under Justin is totally useless....LMAO The GOP is in favor of using the Billions Biden sent to the Ukraine, instead to shore up the southern border, and help it's own US citizens put food on the table!! Biden cares more about Ukraine, then he does his own US citizens!!
 
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