Why Major Car Manufacturers are Slowing Production of Electric Vehicles

[oil&gas]

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EVs require much more development to make them suitable for the needs and peculiarities of many markets.
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EV manufacturers require more freebies and handouts from
the government to prosper which I believe they would though
at the expense of taxpayers who cannot afford a Tesla and have
to stick to ICE cars or settle for scooters. In the long run the less
affluent would also have to pay the price of escalating utility
payment resulting from rising demand of electricity all for
the purpose of virtue-signalling of the rich.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

EV manufacturers require more freebies and handouts from
the government to prosper which I believe they would though
at the expense of taxpayers who cannot afford a Tesla and have
to stick to ICE cars or settle for scooters. In the long run the less
affluent would also have to pay the price of escalating utility
payment resulting from rising demand of electricity all for
the purpose of virtue-signalling of the rich.

So you believe that in the long term electric vehicles will never be viable without being permanently propped up by the government?

 

[oil&gas]

So you believe that in the long term electric vehicles will never be viable without being permanently propped up by the government?

In the long run electric vehicles will be viable when cost
of fossil fuel becomes prohibitively expensive as the world
is running out of it.

Put it the other way EV will be viable when ICE vehicles are no longer so.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

In the long run electric vehicles will be viable when cost
of fossil fuel becomes prohibitively expensive as the world
is running out of it.

Put it the other way EV will be viable when ICE vehicles are no longer so.

So you object to government intervention to push the industry in that direction more quickly?

 

[Insidious Von]

So you believe that in the long term electric vehicles will never be viable without being permanently propped up by the government?

You can never generate enough electricity to service the overall economy, never. ICE is far from reaching it's potential, unfortunately it's not profit effective for the oil companies. To drive EV production to near ICE levels would entail a massive cull in biodiversity. Imho that is more dangerous to humanity than climate change. For governments to subsidize electric power further would require the building of at least a dozen more nuclear power plants. That has it's own risk, we haven't figured out what to do with spent fuel rods.

Toronto is restoring the Don River to cut down the cost of flooding in the GTA. Seattle has had a similar project, it appears to be very successful. EVs are not the answer to climate change, not without runaway food inflation.

 

[Insidious Von]

Can't wait to get the catheter out of my lungs, then I'll be free to visit The Portlands. I have no intention of buying an EV.

 

[Knuckle Ball]

You can never generate enough electricity to service the overall economy, never.

Huh? Maybe I’m misreading your post but we generate enough power to meet our needs every single day. We’ve not had a widespread blackout in Ontario since 2003.

ICE is far from reaching it's potential, unfortunately it's not profit effective for the oil companies.

Again…Huh? ICE is a dying technology. It reached it’s peak ages ago. At the same time, ICE’s are the only motors that are profitable for oil companies.

To drive EV production to near ICE levels would entail a massive cull in biodiversity.

How?

 

[roddermac]

Ironically many who support many of Musk’s right wing ideologies are antI- EV.
I don’t discriminate as I have banged one Tesla driving lady a good number of time and another lady that drives a gas guzzling Escalade twice with not to much difference in their performance.

You talking about the cars or the women.

 

[roddermac]

The Fisker Ocean and the Hyundai Ioniq have solar roofs. But they only provide about 5km of extra range, per day of charging, under excellent day light conditions. Which is quite inefficient atleast as of now.

Solar power is useless and not worth the investment.

 

[crocket]

Battery replacement is too expensive.

 

[SchlongConery]

I don’t discriminate as I have banged one Tesla driving lady a good number of time and another lady that drives a gas guzzling Escalade twice with not to much difference in their performance.

Both sound like nice rides!

 

[SchlongConery]

You don't have a car. Stick with I hate Jew threads.

And you don't have an education. Stick with washing cars Jose.

 

[SchlongConery]

This is a joke right? Please be a joke. The first law of thermodynamics prevents this from being possible.

Nah, so many people don't understand the most basic fundamentals of energy. And their ignorance is inversely proportional to the outrage in which they demonstrate it!

 

[SchlongConery]

I remember when we first started hearing about alternative fuel vehicles and there was a time when everyone thought hydrogen-powered vehicles were going to be the answer. Governor Schwarzenegger was promising to build a hydrogen-fuelling corridor in California.

But then somewhere along the way electric vehicles displaced hydrogen powered cars as the way to go.

Who knows what will happen in the future? Maybe it won’t just be one answer? Maybe different fuelling options will work better for different uses?

Anyway, I think it’s good that everyone has not just settled on one solution yet. I would still like to see Ontario open more electric charging stations before I committed to going full electric…and maybe also return the tax rebate that Ontario used to offer on the purchase of new electric vehicles.

Thing is, hydrogen is not a fuel. It is a medium to store energy.

We cannot fractionate (?) combustible hydrogen out of our atmosphere, or out of water, or out of petroleum without using more energy to isolate hydrogen atoms to be combustible.

I love these people who think hydrogen is so clean that the exhaust is "pure water".

Yes it is. But it took more energy to move that vehicle the same distance than if you just used diesel or gasoline.

The only way hydrogen or batteries make environmental or net economic sense is if the power source is hydroelectric or nuclear.

Period.

 

[SchlongConery]

Anyway, I think it’s good that everyone has not just settled on one solution yet. I would still like to see Ontario open more electric charging stations before I committed to going full electric…and maybe also return the tax rebate that Ontario used to offer on the purchase of new electric vehicles.

Never mind incentives. Something that hasn't been said much about is road taxes. Sure, now charging up your electric car is cheap. Because you are not paying road taxes. Yet.

At some point, the govt is going to equalize the electricity cost per km travelled to the petroleum equivilant and impose a specific tax grab to include the equivilant of the oil industry profits.

Mark my words.

 

[oil&gas]

 

[GameBoy27]

It was a while ago, but I recall seeing a report on the news of a plan that was being worked on to solve the charging problem. When the charge in your car battery is getting low you would head to a service center(similar to a Speedy or Midas) and the technicians simply remove your battery and put in a fully charged one. I don't know how payment would work.

I can't see this working. No such thing as simply removing the battery. Think of how many different manufacturers there are, different capacity, size, shape etc. They also weigh a ton and you would need a lot of space to store all the different batteries. Not to mention, what happens when you go to sell your 3 year old car? Does it have a 1 year old battering with 50 charges on it, or a 5 year old one with hundreds of charges? Batteries also degrade over time and the number of times they're charged. Fast chargers further reduce their life as well. To many variables to be a viable option.

So you object to government intervention to push the industry in that direction more quickly?

I object to a government banning the sale of ICE vehicles by a certain date, with no careful consideration of what power requirements will be necessary or how they're going to generate said electricity.

Experts have said: "Results indicate that EVs could pose a significant burden on Canadian electricity grids, with system demand (also known as load) increasing by as little as 7.5% to as much as 15.3%, although the burden varies across the provinces from as little as 4.6% (Quebec) to as much as 26.2% (Ontario). Overall, Canada could see an increase in annual load ranging from 46.8 terawatt hours (TWh) to 95.1 TWh, with BC’s load potentially increasing by 4.4-9.3 TWh, Ontario’s by 19.0-38.2 TWh. and Quebec’s by 10-21.7 TWh.

What does this imply for new generating capacities? We project that as many as 13 new gas plants of 500-MW capacity might be required in Canada: one in British Columbia, five in Ontario, and three in Quebec. Alternatively, it would be necessary to develop 10 new hydroelectric facilities equal in size to BC’s Site-C (about 1,000 MW capacity): one in BC, four in Ontario, and two in Quebec.

If EV demand for power is to come from non-hydro renewable sources, wind is the most likely option. Assuming a capacity of 3.5 MW per turbine and average wind capacity factor of 25%, it would be necessary to build nearly 5,000 large turbines in Canada, with 560 in BC, 1860 in Ontario and 1200 in Quebec. Given the unreliability of wind energy, it would also be necessary to build peak-gas plants, hydropower and/or utility-scale battery storage capacity as backup. Importantly, because backup capacity cannot pay for itself as it does not deliver enough power during the year, it would need to be subsidized, thereby adding to system costs. Unless society begins almost immediately to develop the required generating infrastructure, it will not be possible to meet the expected demand."

Never mind incentives. Something that hasn't been said much about is road taxes. Sure, now charging up your electric car is cheap. Because you are not paying road taxes. Yet.

At some point, the govt is going to equalize the electricity cost per km travelled to the petroleum equivalent and impose a specific tax grab to include the equivalent of the oil industry profits.

Mark my words.

I've touched on that in other EV threads. It's coming alright. Some of these EV chargers aren't so cheap either. I have a friend who charged up his VW SUV in St. Catharines. It cost almost $70.00 which gave him about 250 kms range.

 

[Bucksnort]

PS: And stop creating dupe accounts - Mike, speakercontrols, carwash, Bucksnort, ocounty and whoever else you are on here.

Your ignorance has no bounds .

 

[james t kirk]

Does it matter? The tax payers paid for those batteries already.

Yes, and it's really starting to look like a massive government boondoggle.

I knew the EV market was in trouble when it was revealed 2 years ago that more than 20 percent of EV owners had abandoned ship on owning an EV and flipped back to ICE.

And now they can't give the damn things away.

Ford loses 36 grand on every single EV it sells. And the much touted F150 Lightening ? Nobody wants it. Piece of shit rushed to market. What the fuck was Ford thinking? Farley should be fired.

"Put simply, Ford wants to make money. The problem? Where electric cars are concerned, the company has perfected the art of losing money. In 2023, Ford racked up US$4.7-billion in related loses. That figure is set to rise to US$5.5-billion in 2024. By one estimate, Ford loses more than US$36,000 on every EV it sells; hardly chump change. Although it’s little consolation, Ford isn’t alone. General Motors has also racked up billions in EV-related losses. Tesla is admittedly an outlier although – spoiler alert – the company’s bottom line has historically been padded by government coffers (and other automakers)."

Link:

Opinion: Ford’s delay of Oakville production shows all that EV glitter isn’t gold

Ford is delaying the start of electric-vehicle production at its Oakville, Ont., plant until 2027. The move will mean extended layoffs

www.theglobeandmail.com

 

[Deviant]

It was a while ago, but I recall seeing a report on the news of a plan that was being worked on to solve the charging problem. When the charge in your car battery is getting low you would head to a service center(similar to a Speedy or Midas) and the technicians simply remove your battery and put in a fully charged one. I don't know how payment would work.

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