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shack

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Israel is using US tech and weapons to commit genocide, hammy.
Geno, Israel is one of the world leaders in science and technology and developed their own iron dome.
There is no advantage to the US to becoming the sponsor of genocide.
I agree. Unfortunately for you, neither the UNSC nor the General Assembly has passed any declaration saying that genocide is occurring.
 

Klatuu

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Their leverage is the intelligence and geographic advantage they have. There is no country in the region capable of or has the willingness to provide those to the US. Why don't the oil-uber rich Arab nations spend more? Answer: Because they don't give a shit about the Palestinians. Israel will retain their leverage for quite some time and it's NOT because of the lobby. Israel has almost carte blanche to do as they see fit. That ain't changing anytime soon.
Delusional
 

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Israel has almost carte blanche to do as they see fit. That ain't changing anytime soon.
We agree on the first sentence. The second, I'm not so sure anymore.

Thirty years ago, there was no Squad. There was no critical mass of Arabs and Muslims in the US. Things change.
 

shack

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Yes we know Israel is killing Palestinians and committing genocide.
But the UNSC and the General Assembly say otherwise.

And calling the US Israel's paypig is just the truth. That is the dynamic of the relationship between the 2 countries whether you like it or not.
I can't stop you from believing what you want to believe. It's all yours. Be happy.
 

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Geno, I think all of your spinning is making you dizzy. Your pretzel logic makes no sense and is not based on reality. There is no genocide occurring based on the UN. The body of the UN has passed no such resolution/declaration. You have told us that we must obey what the body of the UN tells us. Please follow your own advice.
Every accusation by a Ziontologist is a confession
 

shack

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Every accusation by a Ziontologist is a confession
What does somebody who studies, but does not necessarily follow Ziontism have to confess for? BTW, what is Ziontism?
 

shack

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We agree on the first sentence. The second, I'm not so sure anymore.

Thirty years ago, there was no Squad. There was no critical mass of Arabs and Muslims in the US. Things change.
Things indeed do change, so I can't logically debate against that point. In the meantime, do you think that they will change enough before Israel eliminates Hamas?
 

shack

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The ICJ has already ruled that Israel needs to stop genocide and stop incitement to genocide. Israel is a state and criticizing a state's genocidal actions is not hate speech. On the other hand, your support for a genocidal state's actions against an ethnic group, is infact hate speech.
The ICJ does not pass resolutions or declarations that constitute UN policy. Only the UN General Assembly and/or the UNSC can do so.

You keep repeating this and every time I have to remind you that they are not the UN but simply a small part of the UN as an entire entity. I don't understand why you want to keep going in circles?
 

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Geno, I think all of your spinning is making you dizzy. Your pretzel logic makes no sense and is not based on reality. There is no genocide occurring based on the UN. The body of the UN has passed no such resolution/declaration. You have told us that we must obey what the body of the UN tells us. Please follow your own advice.
Hammy, you need to get your memory checked.
The UN has issued a report saying Israel is committing Genocide.
The UNSC issued a resolution demanding a ceasefire.
The ICJ issued provisional measures demanding Israel not commit genocide, prevent killing Palestinians and allow all aid through.
The ICC is prepping charges.
 
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The ICJ does not pass resolutions or declarations that constitute UN policy. Only the UN General Assembly and/or the UNSC can do so.

You keep repeating this and every time I have to remind you that they are not the UN but simply a small part of the UN as an entire entity. I don't understand why you want to keep going in circles?
The ICJ provides advisory opinions on whether or not it is genocide. Their advisory opinion is that Israel should stop inciting and committing genocide based on the genocide policy adopted by the UN general assembly in 1951.

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Hammy, you need to get your memory checked.
The UN has issued a report saying Israel is committing Genocide.
The UNSC issued a resolution demanding a ceasefire.
The ICJ issued provisional measures demanding Israel not commit genocide, prevent killing Palestinians and allow all aid through.
The ICC is prepping charges.
 

southpaw

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Things indeed do change, so I can't logically debate against that point. In the meantime, do you think that they will change enough before Israel eliminates Hamas?
No, I don't think they will. Do you think Israel will be safe after they eliminate Hamas? Someone else will take their place. The Palestinians will just produce more Palestinians.
 
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The ICJ does not pass resolutions or declarations that constitute UN policy. Only the UN General Assembly and/or the UNSC can do so.

You keep repeating this and every time I have to remind you that they are not the UN but simply a small part of the UN as an entire entity. I don't understand why you want to keep going in circles?
The ICJ will hold a trial on the charges Israel is committing genocide.

That is what the ICJ does.
 

shack

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The UN has issued a report saying Israel is committing Genocide.
As I say over and over, show us the resolution/declaration and its' number passed by the General Assembly saying Israel is committing genocide. So far you've come up with a big fat ZERO. You should stop lying.

The ICJ issued provisional measures demanding Israel not commit genocide,
No big deal. Seeing as there is no resolution/declaration saying they have, it seems that Israel is complying with international law.
The ICC is prepping charges.
As you've been saying for months and months GeNostradamus. None of your predictions have been correct.
 

shack

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The ICJ provides advisory opinions on whether or not it is genocide. Their advisory opinion is that Israel should stop inciting and committing genocide based on the genocide policy adopted by the UN general assembly in 1951.
My god, you guys are ridiculous.

1)An advisory opinion IS NOT UN policy. It's an opinion, nothing more.
2)For the umpteenth time please show us the UN resolution/declaration condemning Israel in specific for committing genocide. Accusing Israel of genocide is a lie, according to the UN, and as such, it is hate speech intended to demonize Israel.

SHOW US OR STOP LYING.
 

shack

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No, I don't think they will. Do you think Israel will be safe after they eliminate Hamas? Someone else will take their place. The Palestinians will just produce more Palestinians.
If they can buy themselves "safer" conditions for Israeli citizens for 10 or 20 or 30 years, then it's mission accomplished. It will take many years for some new organization to create the infrastructure and army that Hamas had created. Most of it is gone now.

And maybe one of those new Palestinians will be able to convince the other Palestinians of the folly of thinking that more rounds of violence will improve the lot of Gazans/Palis. Like Egypt and soon Saudi Arabia, they realize that living peacefully with their neighbours is their best way of moving forward. They need an intelligent and pragmatic leader and hope that he doesn't get assassinated.

Do you think that Egypt and Saudi Arabia are wrong to take an approach of peace toward Israel?
 

Kautilya

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My god, you guys are ridiculous.

1)An advisory opinion IS NOT UN policy. It's an opinion, nothing more.
2)For the umpteenth time please show us the UN resolution/declaration condemning Israel in specific for committing genocide. Accusing Israel of genocide is a lie, according to the UN, and as such, it is hate speech intended to demonize Israel.

SHOW US OR STOP LYING.
The UN does not adopt policies against nations. That is not how the UN works. The UN adopts policies against crimes such as genocide, which it has already done. The ICJ issues advisory opinions per the adopted policy. Per the adopted policy the ICJ has said that it is possible a genocide is being carried out in Gaza and that Israel should stop genocidal actions and stop incitement to genocide. Just because you string the words UN and policy together in a sentence does not mean you make any sense or have any idea of how the UN actually works.
 

Frankfooter

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As I say over and over, show us the resolution/declaration and its' number passed by the General Assembly saying Israel is committing genocide. So far you've come up with a big fat ZERO. You should stop lying.
What a stupid demand, hammy.
The UN doesn't do resolutions that way.
They do reports, followed by trials at the ICJ and ICC and then followed by UNSC resolutions.
Already we've had the UNSC demand a ceasefire and ICJ and ICC trials are coming.

No big deal. Seeing as there is no resolution/declaration saying they have, it seems that Israel is complying with international law.
As you've been saying for months and months GeNostradamus. None of your predictions have been correct.
What has Israel done?
Is Hamas done, hammy?
Or is zionism done, hammy?



 
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