Biden's Two States; A Hollow Mantra & A Dangerous Delusion

[niniveh]

And, since Oslo, a spectacular fraud inflicted on the Palestinians, which prolongs the status quo occupation and enables Israel to steal more Palestinian land. Besides, none of the folks repeating the mantra ever address
the 800,000 lb settler gorilla.

Opinion | The Two-State Solution Is an Unjust, Impossible Fantasy

For Palestinians, American calls for a two-state solution ring hollow.

www.nytimes.com

 

[Klatuu]

Oslo, like countless other initiatives, was simply a filibuster tactic to allow Israeli ethnic cleansing, land theft and displacement to take place.

 

[y2kmark]

And, since Oslo, a spectacular fraud inflicted on the Palestinians, which prolongs the status quo occupation and enables Israel to steal more Palestinian land. Besides, none of the folks repeating the mantra ever address
the 800,000 lb settler gorilla.

Opinion | The Two-State Solution Is an Unjust, Impossible Fantasy

For Palestinians, American calls for a two-state solution ring hollow.

www.nytimes.com

Stop sending arms and Palestinians would sort out that 800,000 lb gorilla in short order...

 

[basketcase]

I know that anti-Israel crusaders don't want to listen to Palestinians when it's not convenient but polling and statements from Palestinian leadership shows that a peace deal of any kind requires also convincing Palestinians to change. Forcing Israel to accept a deal is only half of the problem.

https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public%20Opinion%20Poll%20-%20Gaza%20War%202023%20-%20Tables%20of%20Results.pdf

 

[mandrill]

I know that anti-Israel crusaders don't want to listen to Palestinians when it's not convenient but polling and statements from Palestinian leadership shows that a peace deal of any kind requires also convincing Palestinians to change. Forcing Israel to accept a deal is only half of the problem.

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https://www.awrad.org/files/server/polls/polls2023/Public%20Opinion%20Poll%20-%20Gaza%20War%202023%20-%20Tables%20of%20Results.pdf

GS and WB Muslims basically want to kill all Jews and reclaim the land for Allah.

 

[mandrill]

Stop sending arms and Palestinians would sort out that 800,000 lb gorilla in short order...

Bullshit. Israel's arms industry can keep it fighting for years.

 

[Klatuu]

hahahahahaha, Arabs can't win wars. This is proven over and over again. The best the Palis can hope for is to subjected by Isreal. Just like all the other Arab states, a Pali state would be a incompetent disaster

Racism

 

[Klatuu]

Don't whine, it's reality, something you lack. Look around. The Israeli-Arabs certainly think so and would never join a Pali state.

Delusional

 

[Klatuu]

Feel free to name an Arab state with Democracy, a market economy, LGBQ+ rights, woman's rights, Nobel prize winners in some sort of science, an economcy other than oil.... Please feel free.

The Palis would be no better. They'd even likelly be worse.

Racist and delusional

 

[Klatuu]

Yup, that's the best you can do. In fact, it's all you're capable of doing. You know I'm right and it's tearing your little snowflake apart. Keep rooting for the losers though.

Every accusation by a Zionist is a confession.

 

[Klatuu]

Bullshit. Israel's arms industry can keep it fighting for years.

Completely delusional

 

[Klatuu]

Yup, that's the best you can do. In fact, it's all you're capable of doing. You know I'm right and it's tearing your little snowflake apart. Keep rooting for the losers though.

Every accusation by a Zionist is a confession.

 

[Frankfooter]

I know that anti-Israel crusaders don't want to listen to Palestinians when it's not convenient but polling and statements from Palestinian leadership shows that a peace deal of any kind requires also convincing Palestinians to change. Forcing Israel to accept a deal is only half of the problem.

Its time to force all zionists from power.
Enough genocide.

Nothing Hamas has ever done is anywhere near as evil as the genocide you defend.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1776305325106229397

 

[Frankfooter]

hahahahahaha, Arabs can't win wars. This is proven over and over again. The best the Palis can hope for is to subjected by Isreal. Just like all the other Arab states, a Pali state would be a incompetent disaster

Israel can't even beat Hamas.
They don't have an army, drones, jets, tanks or the nukes of Israel.
After 6 months Israel has just killed women and children.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1776266430956146874

 

[Frankfooter]

You state can’t as in its already decided. Like many of your circle jerk, I suspect you don’t have the depth or capability to imagine anything beyond the here-and-now.

Zionism is done now.
Zionism = genocide.

That will be the end of Israel, its just a matter of time.
Netanyahu will be remembered as being both as evil as hitler and the guy who ended zionism.

Here’s a look at the war on Gaza in numbers, 6 months in

The war has stretched on for half a year and has become one of the most destructive, deadly, and intractable conflicts of the 21st century. Since October 7, Israel has pummelled the Gaza Strip, displacing the vast majority of the population and causing many to flee to Gaza’s southernmost city, Rafah.
Here’s a look at the war in numbers:

• Palestinians killed in Gaza: 33,137
• Children killed in Gaza: more than 13,000
• Palestinians killed in the occupied West Bank: 456
• Palestinians currently displaced in Gaza: 1.7 million (70 percent of the population)
• Percentage of buildings likely damaged/destroyed: 55.9 percent
• Percentage of homes likely damaged: more than 60 percent
• Percentage of school buildings damaged: 90 percent
• Hospitals that are functioning: 10/36
• Palestinian civilians facing “catastrophic” food insecurity, according to the UN: 1.1 million
• Percentage of northern Gaza children under the age of two who are acutely malnourished: 31 percent
• Percentage of students out of school: 100 percent
• Mosques damaged: 227
• Churches damaged: 3

 

[Frankfooter]

But it DOESN'T MATTER that they havent accomplished much. You CANNOT GENOCIDE them.

Ya, we both know it’s not genocide. Stop making yourself look stupid by endless repeating the rhetoric that Hamas wants you to.

No, you just beat the living shit out of them every generation Until they figure out peaceful co-existence is preferable. This is what’s been happening since `49. If you could actually see beyond the moment, you would understand this.

Most learn to change when disaster happens.

75 years of occupation and 75 years of killing Palestinians and trying to slowly take their land.
They went slow before to minimize outrage, now its genocide and the world sees its all the same, just faster.

Not going to happen. The fact that you think this is a likely scenarios illustrates how far down the woo you’ve gone.

Spout your nasty, hateful anti-Semitism but you’ll never accuse the Jews of being stupid. They understand the implications FAR FAR better than you and your circle jerk and will not allow significantly more than the existing 20% Palis within Israel to have significant influence. Israel is NOT Canada, and the West in general, and will not commit national suicide for some esoteric meaningless “kindness & inclusivity“. I also suspect that the Israeli Palis will fight harder against your fantasy solution just as hard as the Jews. There is no fight like a family fight and the Israeli Palis won’t want to give up what they have just to live in squalor like the rest of the Arab world.

The Druze devotion to Israel is illustrative of this. The Druze have been significantly discriminated against by Israel but the Druze know they will suffer far worse under the ignorant, hateful, murderous Palis (that you cheerlead for) and thus have a strong cultural preference for joining the IDF. When push comes to shove, the rest of the Israeli-Arabs might do the same.

Its not 20%.
50% of the people living under Israeli rule are Palestinian.
Give them equal rights and the vote and zionism is done.
Apartheid Israel needs a genocide to fix the 'demographic problem'.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1776653961266627007

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1776648435174670672

 

[y2kmark]

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There is no two state solution. The best life the Palis can hope for is to be subjugated by Israel.
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Sounds like Vlad Putin talking about Ukraine. Two state solution far from perfect, but Zionist Israel returning to it's 1966 (pre US subsidized war) borders would be a damned good start. All them colonists need to make a new plan, Stan...

 

[Leimonis]

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There is no two state solution. The best life the Palis can hope for is to be subjugated by Israel.
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Sounds like Vlad Putin talking about Ukraine. Two state solution far from perfect, but Zionist Israel returning to it's 1966 (pre US subsidized war) borders would be a damned good start. All them colonists need to make a new plan, Stan...

Yes! I remember how Ukraine wanted to get all Russia from the river to the sea! No wait it was palis. Nevermind

 

[Frankfooter]

Yes! I remember how Ukraine wanted to get all Russia from the river to the sea! No wait it was palis. Nevermind

Wow, you actually think you're Ukraine in that comparison.
amazing

 

[Leimonis]

Wow, you actually think you're Ukraine in that comparison.
amazing

I’ll explain like we are in kindergarten.

Ukraine has a territorial dispute with Russia. Ukrainian army is not an existential threat for Russia.
Ukraine does not claim that Russia is not a legit country.

israel is dealing with enemies that want it completely dismantled and overrun from river to sea.
it is not a territorial dispute.