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Biden's Two States; A Hollow Mantra & A Dangerous Delusion

Frankfooter

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I’ll explain like we are in kindergarten.

Ukraine has a territorial dispute with Russia. Ukrainian army is not an existential threat for Russia.
Ukraine does not claim that Russia is not a legit country.

israel is dealing with enemies that want it completely dismantled and overrun from river to sea.
it is not a territorial dispute.
I've never heard of anyone failing kindergarten before, this is a first.

Russia wants to invade and take all of Ukraine, they are now occupying about 1/4 of it.
Israel wants all of Palestine, they are now occupying all of it.

Palestine has a territorial dispute with Israel. Palestine has no army and is not an existential threat to Israel.
Israel refuses to admit that Palestine is a legit country.

Its amazing that you can even think your comparison has any merit.
 
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Its time to force all zionists from power.
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And you think it's time for Jews to be forced from Israel. Why should your opinion matter?

Israelis will take care of Netanyahu's far right coalition. Who is going to step up and remove Hamas' terrorism and corruption?

Israel can't even beat Hamas.
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Hamas can easily destroy Hamas. They won't because Hamas hiding behind civilians makes the death toll too much for Israel to accept.

Hamas keeps trying to destroy Israel but all they can manage is kill, kidnap, and rape 1000 civilians.

Zionism is done now.
Zionism = genocide.
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You've been saying that for at least 3 handles on terb. No matter how much you want it, Israel isn't going anywhere and as long as Palestinian leadership reject any kind of compromise with jews, nothing can change.
75 years of occupation...
Still claiming all of Israeli is occupied territory while also trying to claim you don't want Jews ethnically cleansed.
 

basketcase

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Wow, you actually think you're Ukraine in that comparison.
amazing
Lets see. Russia attacked Ukraine with the explicit goal of eliminating the Ukrainian identity. Hamas attacked Israel with the explicit goal of eliminating the Jewish presence.

Sounds like a clear comparison.
 

basketcase

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Yeah we know all about your overwhelming concern for the Palestinians, pal.
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I have an actual desire for peace. You just seem to support removal of Jews, leaving Hamas in place to continue repressing Gazans.
 

basketcase

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GS and WB Muslims basically want to kill all Jews and reclaim the land for Allah.
Bullshit. That's just as stupid as franks claims that all Jews want to kill Palestinian babies.

Hamas does. PIJ does. PFLP does. Parts of Fatah still openly say they do. Some average Palestinians may have been suckered by 100 years of propaganda but many (hopefully most) Palestinians just want to live. There are plenty of stories about Jews making a wrong turn in the West Bank and local Palestinians families have protected them from mob violence.
 
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Democracy, a market economy, LGBTQ rights, women's rights, Nobel prizes, these things are all unrelated to the Palestinian demand for self-determination. ...
Unfortunately most of the Palestinian leaders (and you) reject the self determination of Jews who have been living there for generations and think it more important to destroy the Jewish presence than to develop a Palestinian society with a strong market economy and Nobel Prizes (Women's and LGBTQ rights might be a bit too much to expect right now).
 

mandrill

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Bullshit. That's just as stupid as franks claims that all Jews want to kill Palestinian babies.

Hamas does. PIJ does. PFLP does. Parts of Fatah still openly say they do. Some average Palestinians may have been suckered by 100 years of propaganda but many (hopefully most) Palestinians just want to live. There are plenty of stories about Jews making a wrong turn in the West Bank and local Palestinians families have protected them from mob violence.
Except those polls about whether West Bankers and Gazans want to eliminate Israel and or accept a 2-state solution. They all give 80-90% of Palestinians wanting to eliminate Israel.

Individual Palestinians might be kind and apolitical, but most appear to hate Israel.
 

Frankfooter

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And you think it's time for Jews to be forced from Israel. Why should your opinion matter?
And you think all Palestinians should be starved to death.
Why should your opinion matter.

I argue for equal rights, Palestinians and Jews, nobody needs to leave. Just charge those responsible for the genocide, including those IDF who took part.


Israelis will take care of Netanyahu's far right coalition. Who is going to step up and remove Hamas' terrorism and corruption?
And replace it with another even more extremist government.

No matter how much you want it, Israel isn't going anywhere and as long as Palestinian leadership reject any kind of compromise with jews, nothing can change.

Still claiming all of Israeli is occupied territory while also trying to claim you don't want Jews ethnically cleansed.
Its never been about Palestinians, its always been an Israeli occupation of Palestine, with apartheid and genocide now thrown in.
You have no solutions, all you do is call for more genocide and apartheid.

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Frankfooter

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Lets see. Russia attacked Ukraine with the explicit goal of eliminating the Ukrainian identity. Hamas attacked Israel with the explicit goal of eliminating the Jewish presence.

Sounds like a clear comparison.
Lets see, zionists attack Palestine with the explicit goal of eliminating the Palestinian identity. Zionists attacked Gaza with the explicit goal of eliminating the Palestinian presence through genocide.

That's a clear comparison.
 

Frankfooter

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Bullshit. That's just as stupid as franks claims that all Jews want to kill Palestinian babies.
This is a disgusting lie.
I call for a ceasefire, the application of the law to both sides and equal rights.
Its fucking disgusting that you would say something so blatantly false.
Disgusting.

Hamas does. PIJ does. PFLP does. Parts of Fatah still openly say they do. Some average Palestinians may have been suckered by 100 years of propaganda but many (hopefully most) Palestinians just want to live. There are plenty of stories about Jews making a wrong turn in the West Bank and local Palestinians families have protected them from mob violence.
Islamaphobic hate speech intended to justify genocide.
Also disgusting.

This is what Hamas is saying today.
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Its like he thinks Jews are wrong to hate nazis.
Nazis that Jews have every right to hate are the ones who setup extermination camps during War II. Nazis today are almost exclusively rhetoric and acts of cowardice like painting swastikas. IDF has become an instrument for employing WWII Nazi tactics. The only difference is instead of more camps they aim to exterminate Hamas in place...
 

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I call for a ceasefire,...
Speaking of disgusting lies..

If you actually wanted a ceasefire, you'd be condemning Hamas for repeatedly rejecting not only the ceasefire the UNSC demanded but also their demand that Hamas immediately and unconditionally release their hostages.

Meanwhile Israel has agreed to numerous mediated deals, is increasing aid, and pulling troops out.
 

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... The only difference is instead of more camps they aim to exterminate Hamas in place...
Considering Hamas is a designated terrorist entity who openly state their goal is to remove the Jewish presence and the people who started this war ...
 

basketcase

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You have a desire for genocide.
Nothing you have posted shows a desire for anything but the death of more Palestinians.
I can show lots of posts where you explicitly justify Hamas killing Jewish civilians. Can you show one where I justified killing peaceful Palestinian civilians?
 

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Lets see, zionists attack Palestine with the explicit goal of eliminating the Palestinian identity. Zionists attacked Gaza with the explicit goal of eliminating the Palestinian presence through genocide.

That's a clear comparison.
In reality, half of Israeli Jews are Arabs and the conflict started when Arab leaders used legal Jewish immigration as an excuse to incite violence and consolidate their personal power.

And only a hate filled zealot would pretend that Israel attacking Hamas had nothing to do with Hamas attacking Israeli towns, killing, raping, and kidnapping 1500.
 

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And you think all Palestinians should be starved to death.
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What a moronic thing to claim. Can you show one post where I said that? I can show many where you say Jewish civilians are legitimate targets and many where you say Jews don't belong in Israel.
 

basketcase

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Wow such a perceptive comment. After killing 35,000 people, subjecting them to apartheid and humiliation for 75 years, and locking them in an open air prison, you think?
Too bad for your invention, the Palestinians/Arab leaders have been inciting hatred of Jews for more than 100 years.
 
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