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Frankfooter

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Canada is a vast cold country
the majority of fossil fuel consumption is non -discretionary
the carbon tax does not 'fight' climate change, it only dives inflation
such a reduction will kill millions and drive billions into abject poverty
zero by any date within current life spans is a lunatics fantasy
why take the irrational illogical perspective ?
At what cost?
you can not 'fight' climate change
no more than you can fight day turning to night
nature changes the climate, always has, always will
there has not been an increase in extreme weather events ( see post 42)
the incremental CO2 (plant food) has aided in the increase in world wide crop yields
acreage of forest fires has dramatically decreased relative to 100 years ago
you took a strange route to get to the correct conclusion
You are an anti science extremist who tries to assassinate the characters of all scientists except for the handful of mostly retired non-climatologists who post opinion pieces that you think are science and are all paid by the oil&gas industry.

Every single metric shows climate change is happening and you are wrong.
Global temp
sea temps
sea levels
extreme weather events
glacial melt
polar melt

Every one of those show evidence you won't accept because you are anti science.
 

Skoob

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Yes, you are a fool.
You don't understand the science or the language used by scientists to communicate projections with confidence levels.
This is way above your comprehension levels, you get the basics wrong daily, like your inability to understand the greenhouse effect.
Tell us then how charging a tax will improve the environment?

If you are going to suggest that it deters people from using fossil fuels, we already established in another thread that it does not.
If you are going to suggest that people who are buying EVs are doing so because they don't want to use fossil fuels, that would account for the 1% and not the 99% so that doesn't really change anything climate wise.
Lastly, show us the amount of carbon tax collected to date vs the improvement it has made on the climate. According to you, the climate is getting worse not better.

We'll wait...

...and by wait, I mean wait for your non-answer as usual.
 

Frankfooter

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Tell us then how charging a tax will improve the environment?

If you are going to suggest that it deters people from using fossil fuels, we already established in another thread that it does not.
If you are going to suggest that people who are buying EVs are doing so because they don't want to use fossil fuels, that would account for the 1% and not the 99% so that doesn't really change anything climate wise.
Lastly, show us the amount of carbon tax collected to date vs the improvement it has made on the climate. According to you, the climate is getting worse not better.

We'll wait...

...and by wait, I mean wait for your non-answer as usual.
You already showed how.
No one drives Hummers because the gas has been made too expensive by the carbon tax.
 

JohnLarue

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You already showed how.

how many hummers in Canada ?
2 or 3 thousand maybe

The total number of road motor vehicles registered in Canada was 26.3 million in 2022,

you have a real problem understanding parts per million
you should not have dropped out of high school
 
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how many hummers in Canada ?
2 or 3 thousand maybe

The total number of road motor vehicles registered in Canada was 26.3 million in 2022,

you have a real problem understanding parts per million
you should not have dropped out of high school
He used Hummers when describing what he thinks rich white people drive.
The 90's called and want him back.
 

JohnLarue

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Yes, you are a fool.
hardly

You don't understand the science
I understand science far better than you do
you should not have dropped out of high school


or the language used by scientists to communicate projections with confidence levels.
low confidence means.... (wait for it) .............. low confidence

my god you are stunned

This is way above your comprehension levels, you get the basics wrong daily, like your inability to understand the greenhouse effect.
you are so wrong
i fully understand that organic molecules with a dipole moment are capable of absorbing electromagnetic radiation, provided the radiation wavelength/ frequency matches the absorption wavelength /frequency of the molecule and there is no interference ( i.e. water vapor)

there is a whole scientific discipline devoted to this phenomena it is called spectroscopy
a discipline I understand well

and i can read spectra
you cant
you should not have dropped out of high school
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you are a high school drop out / turned left wing propaganda stooge

your only skill where you can claim superiority is your ability to lie in a clown like attempt to deliberately mislead others

go sit in the corner with your dunce cap on

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And right on queue! A non-answer.

You really are brainwashed aren't you? (trick question...someone who's brainwashed doesn't know it).
Your post shows you know that making fossil fuels more expensive means people will find ways to use less of them, like ditching hummers.
You proved it works.
 

Frankfooter

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hardly


I understand science far better than you do
you should not have dropped out of high school



low confidence means.... (wait for it) .............. low confidence

my god you are stunned



you are so wrong
i fully understand that organic molecules with a dipole moment are capable of absorbing electromagnetic radiation, provided the radiation wavelength/ frequency matches the absorption wavelength /frequency of the molecule and there is no interference ( i.e. water vapor)

there is a whole scientific discipline devoted to this phenomena it is called spectroscopy
a discipline I understand well

and i can read spectra
you cant
you should not have dropped out of high school
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you are a high school drop out / turned left wing propaganda stooge

your only skill where you can claim superiority is your ability to lie in a clown like attempt to deliberately mislead others

go sit in the corner with your dunce cap on
I do find it entertaining when you post old charts that have nothing to do with the climate change discussion as if you've made Nobel worthy discovery.
There is no scientist worth shit that would back your theory, you are the cliff clavin of terb, a self declared expert in everything.

I understand that there thousands and thousands of scientists who have studied the climate for half a century now and understand the incredibly basic connection between increasing greenhouse gases and global temperature. The subject of radiative forcings has been well researched and documented by the IPCC. Your chart just shows your ignorance and refusal to read the reports, otherwise you'd know your claims have been discussed and dismissed by real scientists.

 

Skoob

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Your post shows you know that making fossil fuels more expensive means people will find ways to use less of them, like ditching hummers.
You proved it works.
Nope.
Who drives expensive vehicles like Hummers?
Answer: rich people

When carbon tax increases the cost of fuel, they simply move onto the next thing...like expensive EVs.

The other 99% can't.
So they get stuck paying more for fuel (and everything else) and hold onto their existing vehicles or buy less expensive gas ones.

Carbon tax punishes the 99% that have no choice.

It's a failed strategy, within a failed ideology, with zero impact on the climate.

You're being played.

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Your post shows you know that making fossil fuels more expensive means people will find ways to use less of them, like ditching hummers.
You proved it works.
We already established your ignorance...now this?
Rich people don't care about how much gas prices cost....anybody who can afford a porsche, lambo ferrari, range rover, maserati don't care....people don't drive hummers because it's ugly and unreliable... have you noticed how many drive Hemi Rams, GMC and Chevy V8 trucks and Toyota Tundras? those are gas guzzlers....
 
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I do find it entertaining when you post old charts
it is a spectra, not a chart you scientific know nothing
and the infrared absorbance spectra of these gases / water vapour are the same today as there were 100 + years when first discovered

that have nothing to do with the climate change discussion
of course the absorption spectra is important to the climate change discussion / hoax

the greenhouse gas theory relies on the fundamentals of absorption

FYI - the fundamental laws of nature are the basis for scientific discovery
only a blithering, scientific know nothing, liar such as your self would try and pass himself off as knowledgeable by stating "you get the basics wrong daily, '
in science it is the fundamentals which are important

you cant even lie properly


as if you've made Nobel worthy discovery.
the Nobel prizes for the fundamental physics underpinning infrared absorption were handed out a hundred years ago

There is no scientist worth shit that would back your theory,
it is not a theory, you uneducated fool
absorbance has been proven experimentally and there are several physical laws describing absorbance which have held true for millions of experimental tests


you are the cliff clavin of terb, a self declared expert in everything.
you are the self proven bullshit artist who can never be trusted to speak the truth
nice work enstien
if you want a consensus, try polling those who trust you to be truthful

i bet your mom even had you pegged for being a dishonest bullshit artist


I understand that there thousands and thousands of scientists who have studied the climate for half a century now and understand the incredibly basic connection between increasing greenhouse gases and global temperature
.

you understand nothing
you parrot propaganda without every thinking

our climate system is extremely complex.

the IPCC describes it as
The climate system is a coupled non-linear chaotic system
, and therefore the long-term prediction of future climate states is not possible. Rather the focus must be upon the prediction of the probability distribution of the system's future possible states by the generation of ensembles of model solutions.
which does not at all align with your bullshit
the incredibly basic connection between increasing greenhouse gases and global temperature[
try learning what non-linear means
try learning what chaotic means

The subject of radiative forcings has been well researched and documented by the IPCC.
so you say, however
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The IPCC has chosen to try and predict the probability distribution of the system's future possible states by the generation of ensembles of model solutions and failed miserably
50 years of failed catastrophic predictions and 'low confidence' in observed changes / predictions of extreme weather events is the proof


Your chart just shows your ignorance and refusal to read the reports, otherwise you'd know your claims have been discussed and dismissed by real scientists.

now you mock what you clearly do not understand
you are a laughing stock

the funniest part is you are too stunned to understand what your behaviour has done to your credibility
you can never be trusted to speak the truth
 

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He used Hummers when describing what he thinks rich white people drive.
The 90's called and want him back.

actually the 1990s would say '"hell no, you keep that fool, we endured his untrustworthiness for 10 years'
"you deal with him now''
 

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it is a spectra, not a chart you scientific know nothing
and the infrared absorbance spectra of these gases / water vapour are the same today as there were 100 + years when first discovered
Yes, its from the same, 20 year old website where you get all your most recent ideas.
The same tired, debunked, nonsense from you.

of course the absorption spectra is important to the climate change discussion / hoax
the greenhouse gas theory relies on the fundamentals of absorption
FYI - the fundamental laws of nature are the basis for scientific discovery
only a blithering, scientific know nothing, liar such as your self would try and pass himself off as knowledgeable by stating "you get the basics wrong daily, '
in science it is the fundamentals which are important
you cant even lie properly
You argue that the entire IPCC, NASA, AAAS and every other scientist who studies the climate have the basics wrong and only you know the real science.
You think they have the fundamentals wrong.
Got it.

the Nobel prizes for the fundamental physics underpinning infrared absorption were handed out a hundred years ago
it is not a theory, you uneducated fool
absorbance has been proven experimentally and there are several physical laws describing absorbance which have held true for millions of experimental tests
you are the self proven bullshit artist who can never be trusted to speak the truth
nice work fool
if you want a consensus, try polling those who trust you to be truthful
i bet your mom even had you pegged for being a dishonest bullshit artist
Wow, your diatribe on your scientific knowledge worked up to an insult about my mother.
You really made a strong argument about your intelligence and research.

you understand nothing
you parrot propaganda without every thinking
our climate system is extremely complex.
the IPCC describes it as
which does not at all align with your bullshit
try learning what non-linear means
try learning what chaotic means
Yes, we know. The climate is too complex for you to understand so therefore you think nobody else can understand it.
You think they don't know the fundamentals like you, but that the rest is too complex for you.

so you say
but you are a fool
The IPCC has chosen to try and predict the probability distribution of the system's future possible states by the generation of ensembles of model solutions and failed miserably
50 years of failed catastrophic predictions and 'low confidence' in observed changes / predictions of extreme weather events is the proof
You call me a fool and say that the IPCC projections are wrong?
All that does is show you are lying.
Here's their projections and the global temp.




your ignorance has been on full display for years
now you mock what you clearly do not understand
you are a laughing stock
the funniest part is you are too stunned to understand what your behaviour has done to your credibility
you can never be trusted to speak the truth
if you want a consensus, try polling the terb membership who trust you to be truthful
now go to the corner and put your dunce cap on

That's a lot of anger from someone who claims NASA and the IPCC don't understand the fundamentals of science and only you do.
How many papers have you published?
Do you have a high school degree?
Have you ever read an IPCC report?
Have you read any peer assessed research on this subject ever?
 

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Expect a summer of more droughts, forest fires that will affect our crops, like it is doing everywhere around the Globe.
Vast number of Canadians are concerned with how much more expensive the damage caused by Climate Change will impact us in the future if we just sit back and burn more and more Carbon emitting Fossil Fuels.
I go by the real experts and not the usual conspiracy theorists with regards to the dangers of Climate Change. The only ones gullible are the Climate Change Deniers!!
Well of course the Likes of Pee Pee and Trump will push these conspiracies for their own political gains!!
nobody is denying climate and that it's changing,

but the biggest polluters are being let off the hook

our carbon tax will accomplish nothing but make Canada broke

you were sold a lie that somehow if you pay more taxes then Trudeau is going to stop climate change

so naive it boggles the mind
 
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nobody is denying climate and that it's changing,

but the biggest polluters are being let off the hook

our carbon tax will accomplish nothing but make Canada broke

you were sold a lie that somehow if you pay more taxes then Trudeau is going to stop climate change

so naive it boggles the mind
Carbon tax and subsidies for renewables are absolutely the best plan.
There is no real better option.
 

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Carbon tax and subsidies for renewables are absolutely the best plan.
There is no real better option.
I agree, if your plan is to make life unaffordable in Canada

but it's going to accomplish absolute zilch to stop climate change

the biggest polluters are increasing their emissions

China, US and India do not have carbon tax

and they do not give a crap about the climate

this carbon tax in Canada is the biggest virtue signaling yet

and it will cost us dearly
 

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Carbon tax and subsidies for renewables are absolutely the best plan.
There is no real better option.
Making things unaffordable for Canadians who contribute about 1% of the global CO2 emissions is the definition of insanity.
It's nothing but criminal virtue signaling by a government who has abandoned its people by forging ahead with a delusional strategy.

Thank god they will be gone soon.
 
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