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People are calling on Loblaws to rescind receipt check scanners at the door

jimidean2011

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Sure, anything is possible. I just don't see your scenario as likely given that there doesn't seem to be any examples of it and we don't know the specific theft prevention and escalation policies.

How are corporations legally detaining people without the legal right to do so? This doesn't make sense. If a corporation can legally detain someone then by defintion they have the right to do it. Were trying to say that corporations are detaining people without the legal authority to do it?

Sadly, there aren't so many small clothing stores left and they wouldn't be able to afford all those security measures. Sorry, how are these small clothing stores getting away with murder?
They can legally detain you if they suspect you of stealing. Unless the laws have changed, not having a receipt or not buying anything doesn't qualify as being suspicious but that's the rational they are using. In that case they are detaining you unlawfully which is why people are up in arms over this happening.

I was referring to big corporations getting away with murder, not small clothing stores.
 

explorerzip

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They can legally detain you if they suspect you of stealing. Unless the laws have changed, not having a receipt or not buying anything doesn't qualify as being suspicious but that's the rational they are using. In that case they are detaining you unlawfully which is why people are up in arms over this happening.

I was referring to big corporations getting away with murder, not small clothing stores.
If you say so, but I'm not a legal expert. I think knowing the details of the law and these company's anti-theft policies would help clear up these concerns. As I said earlier, these big companies hire legal experts so I'm sure they've carefully thought through their policies and worker training. Again, that isn't to say that you have no legal recourse if someone oversteps their bounds.

Thanks for clearing up what you meant because your earlier reply was constructed in a weird way. Or I just read it wrong.

Big corporations are making these changes because they need to make money and protect their interests. As with any policy change, they will try it for a period of time and see if it's effective. If it isn't effective, then they'll try something else. These decisions are driven by data over a period of time. Generally speaking, I think people including me can be quick to jump to conclusions about legal or policy changes.

You seem to be suggesting that we should regulate these big businesses even more. So what would you do to address these theft issues? If getting stopped at the self-checkout is too much, what is a suitable solution that would prevent theft and allow people to walk freely in and out of the store without being checked? The only thing I can thik of is ordering items from a counter and the clerk picks them for you.
 

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I guess you haven't been to Loblaws recently... The entrance is gated too and has an alarm and security person at it... You can't leave via the entrance.
That is not the case at my Loblaws.
 

explorerzip

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Turnstiles! Never seen those in a Loblaws owned store.
They're confusing rotating teeth turnstiles that were on the TTC with a gate that opens and closes. My local Loblaws does have the gate and it can be opened from the opposite side. The self-checkout area does not have a gate to prevent people from leaving. Clearly, each Lobalws has a slightly different security setup.
 

jimidean2011

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If you say so, but I'm not a legal expert. I think knowing the details of the law and these company's anti-theft policies would help clear up these concerns. As I said earlier, these big companies hire legal experts so I'm sure they've carefully thought through their policies and worker training. Again, that isn't to say that you have no legal recourse if someone oversteps their bounds.

Thanks for clearing up what you meant because your earlier reply was constructed in a weird way. Or I just read it wrong.

Big corporations are making these changes because they need to make money and protect their interests. As with any policy change, they will try it for a period of time and see if it's effective. If it isn't effective, then they'll try something else. These decisions are driven by data over a period of time. Generally speaking, I think people including me can be quick to jump to conclusions about legal or policy changes.

You seem to be suggesting that we should regulate these big businesses even more. So what would you do to address these theft issues? If getting stopped at the self-checkout is too much, what is a suitable solution that would prevent theft and allow people to walk freely in and out of the store without being checked? The only thing I can thik of is ordering items from a counter and the clerk picks them for you.
Like I said, preventing you from leaving without legal justification is illegal detainment and you have a right to leave without obstruction. Whether you think you deserve that right is another story. https://www.the-sun.com/news/109220...omply-receipt-check-scanners-loblaws-lawsuit/
 

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Like I said, preventing you from leaving without legal justification is illegal detainment and you have a right to leave without obstruction. Whether you think you deserve that right is another story. https://www.the-sun.com/news/109220...omply-receipt-check-scanners-loblaws-lawsuit/
So why does Costco get away with it. You can’t leave without showing your receipt to a person there. There are lines up to get out of the store because of it. How have they done it this whole time? And no one bitches????
 

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So why does Costco get away with it. You can’t leave without showing your receipt to a person there. There are lines up to get out of the store because of it. How have they done it this whole time? And no one bitches????
it is part of the membership rules. Loblaws dies not do memberships
 

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it is part of the membership rules. Loblaws dies not do memberships
Awe - a contract you sign for it to happen so you volunteer for it…..

Got it. Didn’t think of that.

It’s still early on a lazy Easter Sunday with only one coffee down. Brain is clearly not activated yet. This when I have to say “Jenesis - step away from the phone!”

😂😂😂😂😂
 

explorerzip

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Like I said, preventing you from leaving without legal justification is illegal detainment and you have a right to leave without obstruction. Whether you think you deserve that right is another story. https://www.the-sun.com/news/109220...omply-receipt-check-scanners-loblaws-lawsuit/
Like I said, the self-checkout area in my local Loblaws does not have a gate or receipt scanners (yet) that prevent me from leaving. If your Loblaws has a gate, then feel free to push it open, jump over it or yell at the staff until they open it.
 

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I guess you haven't been to Loblaws recently... The entrance is gated too and has an alarm and security person at it... You can't leave via the entrance.
You're welcome to go along with this but it is offensive to be treated as if you're a thief without reason. Sorry, I'll spend my money elsewhere. Their loss.
I am sure they'll survive the financial hit to their bottom line. Wait till you see the prices 7/11 is charging these days.
 

jimidean2011

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Like I said, the self-checkout area in my local Loblaws does not have a gate or receipt scanners (yet) that prevent me from leaving. If your Loblaws has a gate, then feel free to push it open, jump over it or yell at the staff until they open it.
As I mentioned I've yet to encounter them and by the looks of it they intend to stop the practice, as they should.
 

jimidean2011

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Good. So there's nothing more to talk about then.
Agreed. I appreciate discussing topics like this as it is a great barometer to show the general concensus of most of our citizens. Sadly what it tells me is that most people not only don't know their rights, they genuinely don't care about enjoying or preserving them. It's this attitude that allows our wonderful government to screen and filter our internet and disguise it as preventing hate speech. Personally, I very much care about the rights I have left and would like to preserve them as long as possible but I do realize I'm in the minority of people who feel this way. Most people just trust the government to do what's best for them and act in the best interest of the people. Ignorance is bliss!!!
 

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I don’t get the big deal. If you use the self-check out you get a receipt and just scan it.

If it doesn’t open, call someone over, show the receipt and your out.

I don’t get the big deal here?????
Grocery stores are making record profits. Miserly pricks will not pay employees a decent wage. Save money with self checkout instead of giving someone a cashier job. Now they are treating people like they are criminals trying to steal from them. I think people are just having a little bit of self respect and rebelling.
 
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ericdf11

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Dumb comment...
Really ??? How did the call to boycott big oil until they lower prices work out for you? You sound like the classic definition of insane. By all means call for boycott of anything that doesn't fall in line with your idea of nirvana.
 

WyattEarp

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I've got a good one for my grandma's pickles but I don't want to let Loblaws scan and steal it!
At least your grandma can still enjoy a good pickle.
 

GameBoy27

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Hire more cashiers and get rid of self-checkout might help deter shoplifting.
But is that really cost efficient. One would assume they've done the math. Is the cost of the self checkout machines plus the amount they lose to theft, more or less than the cost of cashiers plus the amount they lose to theft? Simple math.

As for scanning your receipt in order to exit, I presume it's to deter people from trying to walk out with groceries and not paying for anything. Maybe the LCBO should have people scan their receipt to exit. They lose an average of $77 million to theft annually.
 
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