People are calling on Loblaws to rescind receipt check scanners at the door

explorerzip

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Really? Because that's the comparison that I read. Please tell us then what was she comparing?
She said: "That is going a little overboard in my opinion personally. Do you call the fire department on a camp fire too?" I don't know how you could misinterpret that as comparing receipt scanners to campfires.

She was comparing your comment about being unlawfully detained as being a little overboard. She also used the example of calling the fire department to deal with a camp fire. Or in simpler terms, making a controversy over a problem that may or may not be as big as you've made it out to be.
 

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Agreed! My point is its an abuse of power and if it were a good practice we would have been doing it already. Can you at least agree that if you were detained and disrespected that you would change your perspective on the situation or are you one of those guys who are incapable of changing your mind regardless of the situation?
I just see a difference between stopped at the self-checkout and asked to produce as receipt whether or not I bough something versus being lead into a back room, being tied up, etc. Those are important distinctions that you've been ignoring for some reason. I would of course feel disrespected in the second scenario, complain to managmenet and seek legal action. Not so much in the first, but it would depend on exactly what happened.

Real examples are important in these debates because of all the details. Otherwise, we're talking about hypotheticals that might not happen in the ways you've described.
 

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You're comparing apples to automobiles my friend. A receipt scanner poses no physical threat to anybody and is a fixed object. A campfire, in the wrong hands or even in the right hands has the potential to cause unimaginable damage and death potentially so I would assess both of those things from completely different perspectives but that's just me. I'm sure she appreciates having you white night for her though. Like I said her comment was an unintelligent one and that's what I was pointing out.
You're taking things too literally my friend. The comment has nothing to do with the physical threat of a receipt scanner versus a campfire. Maybe her example wasn't the greatest, but I got what she was trying to say that you could be making "a mountain out of a mole hill", which is an idiom referring to over-reactive, behaviour where a person makes too much of a minor issue. I agree though that you're free to have an opinion and I'm not going to change your mind anyway.

I'm just agreeing with her comments. That isn't white knighting my friend. Not that she needs me to do it for her anyway.
 

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Fair enough. As long as you can see the potential for this to turn into a pretty ugly shitshow when corporations are legally detaining people without the legal right to do so. And they're only getting away with it because they are corporations. If a small clothing store tried doing this people would be far more outraged. They are already getting away with murder.
Sure, anything is possible. I just don't see your scenario as likely given that there doesn't seem to be any examples of it and we don't know the specific theft prevention and escalation policies.

How are corporations legally detaining people without the legal right to do so? This doesn't make sense. If a corporation can legally detain someone then by defintion they have the right to do it. Were trying to say that corporations are detaining people without the legal authority to do it?

Sadly, there aren't so many small clothing stores left and they wouldn't be able to afford all those security measures. Sorry, how are these small clothing stores getting away with murder?
 
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They can legally detain you if they suspect you of stealing. Unless the laws have changed, not having a receipt or not buying anything doesn't qualify as being suspicious but that's the rational they are using. In that case they are detaining you unlawfully which is why people are up in arms over this happening.

I was referring to big corporations getting away with murder, not small clothing stores.
If you say so, but I'm not a legal expert. I think knowing the details of the law and these company's anti-theft policies would help clear up these concerns. As I said earlier, these big companies hire legal experts so I'm sure they've carefully thought through their policies and worker training. Again, that isn't to say that you have no legal recourse if someone oversteps their bounds.

Thanks for clearing up what you meant because your earlier reply was constructed in a weird way. Or I just read it wrong.

Big corporations are making these changes because they need to make money and protect their interests. As with any policy change, they will try it for a period of time and see if it's effective. If it isn't effective, then they'll try something else. These decisions are driven by data over a period of time. Generally speaking, I think people including me can be quick to jump to conclusions about legal or policy changes.

You seem to be suggesting that we should regulate these big businesses even more. So what would you do to address these theft issues? If getting stopped at the self-checkout is too much, what is a suitable solution that would prevent theft and allow people to walk freely in and out of the store without being checked? The only thing I can thik of is ordering items from a counter and the clerk picks them for you.
 

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Turnstiles! Never seen those in a Loblaws owned store.
They're confusing rotating teeth turnstiles that were on the TTC with a gate that opens and closes. My local Loblaws does have the gate and it can be opened from the opposite side. The self-checkout area does not have a gate to prevent people from leaving. Clearly, each Lobalws has a slightly different security setup.
 

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Like I said, preventing you from leaving without legal justification is illegal detainment and you have a right to leave without obstruction. Whether you think you deserve that right is another story. https://www.the-sun.com/news/109220...omply-receipt-check-scanners-loblaws-lawsuit/
So why does Costco get away with it. You can’t leave without showing your receipt to a person there. There are lines up to get out of the store because of it. How have they done it this whole time? And no one bitches????
 

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So why does Costco get away with it. You can’t leave without showing your receipt to a person there. There are lines up to get out of the store because of it. How have they done it this whole time? And no one bitches????
it is part of the membership rules. Loblaws dies not do memberships
 

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it is part of the membership rules. Loblaws dies not do memberships
Awe - a contract you sign for it to happen so you volunteer for it…..

Got it. Didn’t think of that.

It’s still early on a lazy Easter Sunday with only one coffee down. Brain is clearly not activated yet. This when I have to say “Jenesis - step away from the phone!”

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Like I said, preventing you from leaving without legal justification is illegal detainment and you have a right to leave without obstruction. Whether you think you deserve that right is another story. https://www.the-sun.com/news/109220...omply-receipt-check-scanners-loblaws-lawsuit/
Like I said, the self-checkout area in my local Loblaws does not have a gate or receipt scanners (yet) that prevent me from leaving. If your Loblaws has a gate, then feel free to push it open, jump over it or yell at the staff until they open it.
 

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I guess you haven't been to Loblaws recently... The entrance is gated too and has an alarm and security person at it... You can't leave via the entrance.
You're welcome to go along with this but it is offensive to be treated as if you're a thief without reason. Sorry, I'll spend my money elsewhere. Their loss.
I am sure they'll survive the financial hit to their bottom line. Wait till you see the prices 7/11 is charging these days.
 

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I don’t get the big deal. If you use the self-check out you get a receipt and just scan it.

If it doesn’t open, call someone over, show the receipt and your out.

I don’t get the big deal here?????
Grocery stores are making record profits. Miserly pricks will not pay employees a decent wage. Save money with self checkout instead of giving someone a cashier job. Now they are treating people like they are criminals trying to steal from them. I think people are just having a little bit of self respect and rebelling.
 
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Dumb comment...
Really ??? How did the call to boycott big oil until they lower prices work out for you? You sound like the classic definition of insane. By all means call for boycott of anything that doesn't fall in line with your idea of nirvana.
 

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I've got a good one for my grandma's pickles but I don't want to let Loblaws scan and steal it!
At least your grandma can still enjoy a good pickle.
 

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Hire more cashiers and get rid of self-checkout might help deter shoplifting.
But is that really cost efficient. One would assume they've done the math. Is the cost of the self checkout machines plus the amount they lose to theft, more or less than the cost of cashiers plus the amount they lose to theft? Simple math.

As for scanning your receipt in order to exit, I presume it's to deter people from trying to walk out with groceries and not paying for anything. Maybe the LCBO should have people scan their receipt to exit. They lose an average of $77 million to theft annually.
 
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