People are calling on Loblaws to rescind receipt check scanners at the door

[Jenesis]

You compared a receipt scanner to a campfire. Now that you mention it they are very similar.

Don’t play draft. It is unbecoming.

You know both are an overreaction.

But anyway - I have to go. I have things to do on this wonderful Good Friday.

You can have the last word. I don’t care enough to continue

 

[bazokajoe]

At my local, there's metal gates, plexiglass barriers and a security guard... It seems like overkill.

Agee, that's overkill.

 

[bazokajoe]

That's exactly my point but some sheeple just don't get it.

Read my reply.

 

[jimidean2011]

Don’t play draft. It is unbecoming.

You know both are an overreaction.

But anyway - I have to go. I have things to do on this wonderful Good Friday.

You can have the last word. I don’t care enough to continue

And once again she proves there's no such thing as bad publicity. As long as someone is saying her name or reading her comments her job is done. Now run along and enjoy your campfire!

 

[glamphotographer]

Hire more cashiers and get rid of self-checkout might help deter shoplifting.

 

[JuanGoodman]

Hire more cashiers and get rid of self-checkout might help deter shoplifting.

and bring back plastic shopping bags

 

[JohnHenry]

Walk out the same way you came in.

You can't. They have one way turnstiles at the entrance

 

[explorerzip]

You compared a receipt scanner to a campfire. Now that you mention it they are very similar.

Actually, she didn't make that conparison. You've been around long enough to know the point she was trying to make.

 

[explorerzip]

Ok so say I walk into the grocery store for bacon. Just bacon and they are all out of bacon so I don't buy anything and have no receipt Do I then wait at the scanner for an employee to notice me and come over and interrogate me until they are satisfied with my answers and grant me permission to exit? What if the employee doesn't like the answers I give? Detain me until security comes over and conducts a secondary interrogation? I get it. In these days and times most people have little to no interest in their rights and freedoms. Which is reason their disappearing before our eyes.

I think your scenario is far-fetched because most people especailly employees at big box stores don't want to get into conflict with people let alone detain you until their supervisor comes. They're grocery workers, not the TSA. Your scenario could be possible, but I think it is unlikely. If you were treated this way, then you'd be free to complain publically and take legal action.

 

[jimidean2011]

I think your scenario is far-fetched because most people especailly employees at big box stores don't want to get into conflict with people let alone detain you until their supervisor comes. They're grocery workers, not the TSA. Your scenario could be possible, but I think it is unlikely. If you were treated this way, then you'd be free to complain publically and take legal action.

Just because you can't anticipate this happening doesn't mean I can't. There are plenty of employees who like to power trip and be in control. We see examples of it every day. This has a high potential for problems and is offensive to more people than it's not. Everyone is free to have their own opinion but if you can't see how it is a disrespect to paying customers then I'm not quite sure what, if anything would offend someone like you.

 

[explorerzip]

At my local, there's metal gates, plexiglass barriers and a security guard... It seems like overkill.

That's obviously security theatre. If someone really wants to steal items, they can pass things over the barriers. What would your response to the increase in theft be then? The LCBO doesn't seem to do anything. Other retailers have baby formula, razor blades, spray paint, electronics, etc. in glass cases. Or do we go to a Consumers Distributing model where you order everything is in the warehouse and you order at a counter.

 

[jimidean2011]

Actually, she didn't make that conparison. You've been around long enough to know the point she was trying to make.

Really? Because that's the comparison that I read. Please tell us then what was she comparing?

 

[explorerzip]

Just because you can't anticipate this happening doesn't mean I can't. There are plenty of employees who like to power trip and be in control. We see examples of it every day. This has a high potential for problems and is offensive to more people than it's not. Everyone is free to have their own opinion but if you can't see how it is a disrespect to paying customers then I'm not quite sure what, if anything would offend someone like you.

So you see examples of this everyday, yet provided no actual examples. So how many employees do you think like to power trip and be in control? It's quite hard to have a rationale discussion about a problem when you don't know widespread it is. If this is truly a big problem as you say it is, then people have the right to protest or boycott lthem as they're already doing.

I went to Loblaws yesterday, didn't buy anything and was not stopped. My local store has the security gates in front, plexiglass barriers and a guard too yet no body bothered me. I agree in principle to what you're saying, but I still think it's far fetched. Obviously, it really depeneds on the specific store and demographic makeup of your area.

 

[jimidean2011]

So you see examples of this everyday, yet provided no actual examples. So how many employees do you think like to power trip and be in control? It's quite hard to have a rationale discussion about a problem when you don't know widespread it is. If this is truly a big problem as you say it is, then people have the right to protest or boycott lthem as they're already doing.

I went to Loblaws yesterday, didn't buy anything and was not stopped. My local store has the security gates in front, plexiglass barriers and a guard too yet no body bothered me. I agree in principle to what you're saying, but I still think it's far fetched. Obviously, it really depeneds on the specific store and demographic makeup of your area.

Agreed! My point is its an abuse of power and if it were a good practice we would have been doing it already. Can you at least agree that if you were detained and disrespected that you would change your perspective on the situation or are you one of those guys who are incapable of changing your mind regardless of the situation?

 

[explorerzip]

Really? Because that's the comparison that I read. Please tell us then what was she comparing?

She said: "That is going a little overboard in my opinion personally. Do you call the fire department on a camp fire too?" I don't know how you could misinterpret that as comparing receipt scanners to campfires.

She was comparing your comment about being unlawfully detained as being a little overboard. She also used the example of calling the fire department to deal with a camp fire. Or in simpler terms, making a controversy over a problem that may or may not be as big as you've made it out to be.

 

[jimidean2011]

You're comparing apples to automobiles my friend. A receipt scanner poses no physical threat to anybody and is a fixed object. A campfire, in the wrong hands or even in the right hands has the potential to cause unimaginable damage and death potentially so I would assess both of those things from completely different perspectives but that's just me. I'm sure she appreciates having you white night for her though. Like I said her comment was an unintelligent one and that's what I was pointing out.

 

[explorerzip]

Agreed! My point is its an abuse of power and if it were a good practice we would have been doing it already. Can you at least agree that if you were detained and disrespected that you would change your perspective on the situation or are you one of those guys who are incapable of changing your mind regardless of the situation?

I just see a difference between stopped at the self-checkout and asked to produce as receipt whether or not I bough something versus being lead into a back room, being tied up, etc. Those are important distinctions that you've been ignoring for some reason. I would of course feel disrespected in the second scenario, complain to managmenet and seek legal action. Not so much in the first, but it would depend on exactly what happened.

Real examples are important in these debates because of all the details. Otherwise, we're talking about hypotheticals that might not happen in the ways you've described.

 

[jimidean2011]

I just see a difference between stopped at the self-checkout and asked to produce as receipt whether or not I bough something versus being lead into a back room, being tied up, etc. Those are important distinctions that you've been ignoring for some reason. I would of course feel disrespected in the second scenario, complain to managmenet and seek legal action. Not so much in the first, but it would depend on exactly what happened.

Real examples are important in these debates because of all the details. Otherwise, we're talking about hypotheticals that might not happen in the ways you've described.

Fair enough. As long as you can see the potential for this to turn into a pretty ugly shitshow when corporations are legally detaining people without the legal right to do so. And they're only getting away with it because they are corporations. If a small clothing store tried doing this people would be far more outraged. They are already getting away with murder.

 

[explorerzip]

You're comparing apples to automobiles my friend. A receipt scanner poses no physical threat to anybody and is a fixed object. A campfire, in the wrong hands or even in the right hands has the potential to cause unimaginable damage and death potentially so I would assess both of those things from completely different perspectives but that's just me. I'm sure she appreciates having you white night for her though. Like I said her comment was an unintelligent one and that's what I was pointing out.

You're taking things too literally my friend. The comment has nothing to do with the physical threat of a receipt scanner versus a campfire. Maybe her example wasn't the greatest, but I got what she was trying to say that you could be making "a mountain out of a mole hill", which is an idiom referring to over-reactive, behaviour where a person makes too much of a minor issue. I agree though that you're free to have an opinion and I'm not going to change your mind anyway.

I'm just agreeing with her comments. That isn't white knighting my friend. Not that she needs me to do it for her anyway.

 

[explorerzip]

Fair enough. As long as you can see the potential for this to turn into a pretty ugly shitshow when corporations are legally detaining people without the legal right to do so. And they're only getting away with it because they are corporations. If a small clothing store tried doing this people would be far more outraged. They are already getting away with murder.

Sure, anything is possible. I just don't see your scenario as likely given that there doesn't seem to be any examples of it and we don't know the specific theft prevention and escalation policies.

How are corporations legally detaining people without the legal right to do so? This doesn't make sense. If a corporation can legally detain someone then by defintion they have the right to do it. Were trying to say that corporations are detaining people without the legal authority to do it?

Sadly, there aren't so many small clothing stores left and they wouldn't be able to afford all those security measures. Sorry, how are these small clothing stores getting away with murder?