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JuanGoodman

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A roof IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH. Seriously? Do you realize the damage to our world reputation, beyond the fact we OWE THOSE PEOPLE for promises he made and failed to deliver on? That's my point. The Canadian Government, as a direct result of Trudeau, failed these people. Its that simple.

That you so flippantly dismiss each person still living on the street, as well as the bad shelter conditions, says a lot about you.
our friend here as well as our current government do not give rats ass about anybody but themselves

as long as they can virtue signal their pet projects
 
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Butler1000

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I don't flippantly dismiss the 200 homeless people or a few 100 people bused around to temporary accommodations. I flippantly dismiss, phony, exaggerated concern from righties, who could give a rats ass about asylum seekers and only want to leverage them to push their own political rhetoric.

Whichever way you spin it, the actual facts are that a few 100 asylum seekers do not have proper housing. The rest do. Also accommodation provided to refugees is not free. It is subsidized housing for 1 year after which they are on their own. So yes, a few 100 homeless, is a problem, but it is not the kind of enormous problem you are trying to spin it into. Canada needs to deal with it. You need to, as well.

If they cared about Canada's reputation in the world, righties wouldn't be supporting racists and white supremacists.
Except you did, you are, and you continue to lie about the numbers. And once the one year FEDERAL funding is up, suddenly the CITY AND PROVINCE have to step up, or they starve in the streets.

Right?
 

Not getting younger

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I did not lie about numbers. My numbers are from the articles you linked. I guess you read the title but not the article. As usual. Anything to push a narrative, right? And yes, the city and province do have to step up. A lot of it falls in their purview. So what?
So the 416/905….prov….( a fiscal train wreck like the 416/905)
…….and feds now.

All of whom are coincidentally deeply in debt up to their eyeballs and have some nasty storm clouds brewing.

Not to mention crumbling healthcare, infrastructure and Boomers….Not the least of is a world outside the center of universe in need of tlc.

Where’s the magical money to come from.
 
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basketcase

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It's not about what PP would do...it's about what JT is doing. He's the one running the country right?

It's not about fundraising...it's about lecturing on affordability while people who can afford $1700 plates attend. Tone deaf.

I don't expect smug Liberals to understand that.
So standard political fundraisers are wrong for Liberals but fine for your guy?
 

Not getting younger

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Taxes. And public debt.
There’s a shocker. You want everyone else to pay for you.

perhaps your not aware that Boomer, maybe 1st generation Italians that built the TTC, roads and more. Have paid taxes all their life are going to need tons of money and healthcare is already a shambles

Maybe you don’t know Hydro rates are a mess

Maybe you don’t municipalities need UBI and don’t have the budgets for this that and the other

Maybe your not aware Canada real GDP growth for the past 10 years is under 1%

Maybe you don’t know we have a housing crises too

Maybe you don’t know there are places you’ve thrown under the bus and ignored for 20 years that could use a cup of coffee

Maybe you don’t know the wealth gap is increasing at record speed as is Capital bleed

Maybe you don’t know the vast majority of Canadians neither want nor can afford them.

Maybe you don’t gangs and crime are a major issue and need $$$ too.

Mayne you don’t there aren’t three credible economists who agree with you

Maybe you don’t know the U.S. is already a friendlier tax regime…….and if Trump wins. Capital bleed will get even worse too

Maybe that addiction to debt is why the 416/905 and prov are train wrecks. And the feds could be heading there too.

When you think you know better than say Drummond, Mintz or Cross you can apply for their jobs

Sorry. Lastly
I thought you wanted nitty gritty costed platforms? The details?
 
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Skoob

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He is just another prime minister. Nothing extraordinary in a positive or a negative way.
Any leader who is neither positive or negative is just taking up space and oxygen That's reason alone to get rid of them.
 

Skoob

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How many times have we heard this sort of thing about a world leader who has been at the helm for a long time? Yup. Only every single time. In any country. In truth Trudeau is just another average prime minister. Of course righties would have you believe that he is Satan lol.
Doesn't sound like a very compelling case to keep him.
 

Skoob

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We should do away with ALL the oppressive taxes - HST, income tax, all of them!!

PeePee will magically make this country better and hand out largesse to everyone without any taxes at all!!
Nah...you don't have to make shit up...he said he will get rid of the carbon tax...nothing about the other taxes.
But if it makes you feel better inventing fictitious things then go for it.
 

Skoob

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You really can't even name a single policy of the guy you want to run the country?
That's such an admission that you really have no clue.
Getting rid of the carbon tax extortion tax is good policy. Don't you agree?
Or did you miss that part?
 

Butler1000

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I did not lie about numbers. My numbers are from the articles you linked. I guess you read the title but not the article. As usual. Anything to push a narrative, right? And yes, the city and province do have to step up. A lot of it falls in their purview. So what?
The feds set policy then expects other lvls of govt to pay for it. That's the problem. And warehoyses is not solving the problem.

Anyway the majority of voters see it. That's what counts.
 
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Frankfooter

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There’s a shocker. You want everyone else to pay for you.

perhaps your not aware that Boomer, maybe 1st generation Italians that built the TTC, roads and more. Have paid taxes all their life are going to need tons of money and healthcare is already a shambles

Maybe you don’t know Hydro rates are a mess

Maybe you don’t municipalities need UBI and don’t have the budgets for this that and the other

Maybe your not aware Canada real GDP growth for the past 10 years is under 1%

Maybe you don’t know we have a housing crises too

Maybe you don’t know there are places you’ve thrown under the bus and ignored for 20 years that could use a cup of coffee

Maybe you don’t know the wealth gap is increasing at record speed as is Capital bleed

Maybe you don’t know the vast majority of Canadians neither want nor can afford them.

Maybe you don’t gangs and crime are a major issue and need $$$ too.
Maybe you should vote NDP, not conservative.
 

Frankfooter

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Getting rid of the carbon tax extortion tax is good policy. Don't you agree?
Or did you miss that part?
Hey, you named one policy.
Of course its idiotic.

You whine about the carbon tax but when DoFo just raised natural gas costs to everyone in Ontario by $600 you just bent over and said, put it in a little deeper, sir.

 

Not getting younger

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No. I said taxes and public debt. I pay taxes. So I pay for it too.
I do understand that. I chose my words “poorly”.
I actually recall you saying you’d be ok with more.
it’s the “everyone” else.

Poll numbers are usually worse for the incumbent. Because they have not seen the challenger in power yet. People buy into rhetoric and dont look at the details.
What details?
Do you mean rising crime rates, gangs/guns/ opiods? On the rise since 2014. They and the left have denied for 30 years…details
Debt up to their eyeballs.
record growth in the wealth gap
Record growth in Capital Bleed
1) The economy ( especially the rest of Canada)
2) The housing crises since 2012 ( just after 2008) and ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^****
3) Immigration doubling^^^^^^^^^^Where did that 500,000 number come from and where are they all going.^^^^^^^^. Have they given us the data and reasoning for that??? Or just pick a number out of the hat details..
inflation
Interest rates
Division and polarization, intentional wedges
A long laundry list of scandals
Wasted money
Tone deaf
416/905, and Prov train wreck details..and Drummond “pressure” vote buying details.
Chrétien taming spending/debt, just like Harris during the 90s ( funny that)
And then………history repeating itself ( see tiny islands in a sea of debt and sea of blue) and 1,2,3
Details?



As far as the cons go.
When was the last time they reversed women rights, immigration laws (250,000 when Harper left)
…How did the PPC fare. A scary 5%
Fear mongering and division details? See East vs West, urban vs dumb uneducated red neck/truckers on UBI details since 2008 ( and 1 2 3 ).

Fact of the matter is Canadians are slightly left of center. One might say centrist. Massively so. Yet according to you guys and JT there are Neo Nazis racist and far right extremist everywhere..

Or more balanced looks at both Harper/Mulroney details. A lot of political observers/analyst argue the Cons have moved…sorry shifted…closer to center over the past couple decades…the liberals far away. So which party presently reflects Canadas moderate, tolerant ( lol) care for your neighbour( please) centrist values more

details
 
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Skoob

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Poll numbers are usually worse for the incumbent. Because they have not seen the challenger in power yet. People buy into rhetoric and dont look at the details.
Ok you can continue to think that if it makes you feel better.
It's time for change. You can either be part of it, or continue to give JT a pass for ruining this country.
Either way, you can't hold back reality and make excuses for it.
 

Skoob

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Hey, you named one policy.
Of course its idiotic.

You whine about the carbon tax but when DoFo just raised natural gas costs to everyone in Ontario by $600 you just bent over and said, put it in a little deeper, sir.

First you cry because I wouldn't identify any policies...then you cry about it when I do.

Predictable.
 

Skoob

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Don't bet your money on PP yet. Elections are far away.
Lol "elections are far away" but you still expect everyone that's running against Trudeau to unveil their specific policies right now.

Flip flop.
 

Skoob

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Flip flopping is saying, you have a link to Trump's accomplishments and not being able to cough it up when pressed for it. You were hoping nobody would ask, but when pressed, you flip flopped and burned yourself.

Saying, "elections are far away", so don't bet your money on PP yet, because polls say so, is not flip flopping. That is reminding you that the tide could turn any moment.

That has no connection to my demand that PP unveil his detailed platform, right now, when he is actively whining on social media and in the parliament about Trudeau being a terrible PM.
Why should I repost something I already posted just because you don't possess the intelligence to find it? I don't work for you.

No politician unveils their detailed plans 1.5 years away from an election. You are naive and are asking for something no one will provide this far away.

Is that your only argument for why PP should not be the next PM? That's sad.

You should look at all the damage JT has done and that should be enough proof for you as to why change is needed.
 
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