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The complexities of Sudan

basketcase

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Go ahead, advocate what you want for Sudan and I will support your position. I already said, I do not know much about Sudan, but do care about the humanitarian crisis and support any and all measures to make it better.

Why dont you now, call out Israel for its genocide and mass murder of the Palestinians. After all, you are a guy that cares about unrelated people in Sudan right? So you most definitely are cognizant of Israeli genocide in Palestine? Should be easy for you to condemn that.
And you were complaining about whataboutism.

And sorry but the claims of genocide are idiotic (as is your choice to pretend all arguments about actual genocide in Darfur and the southern parts of Sudan are really disingenuous).
 

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Zionists have been committing genocide for 5 months now.
Zionists have been attacking and killing Palestinians for 75 years now.
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Ah, the bullshit manipulative lists that intentionally avoid mentioning the many anti-immigrant massacres starting in 1919 and adding the word 'massacre' to every battle Arab states or Palestinians launched and lost.
 

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I did not indulge in any whataboutism. So not sure what you are on about there.

And no, even the ICJ has said that Israel needs to stop incitement and genocide actions. So try again.
Are you unaware that you posted your ignorance about Sudan then demanded I condemn Israel instead of discussing the topic of the thread?

Yes, the ICJ said Israel has to prevent incitement and prevent genocide. It would be moronic to claim they said Israel was committing genocide.
 
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shack counter:
17 accusations of lying, 29 intentional misquotes (straw man arguments) - 0 proof





Israel has been trying to steal Palestinian lands for 75 years and killing Palestinians to do it.
You expect a different result this time through genocide?


You think the world will love you after you keep doing this to kids?

Does Musk give you a cut for spamming us with propaganda porn?


p.s. We should keep a counter on how many threads you want to be about your Jew obsession.
 

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Are you now saying all ICC, ICJ and UN demands must be abided by?
Every single one?
Your usual deflection.

You are the one repeatedly posting about the UN, ICC, ICJ, HRW, Amnesty all being reliable sources when they criticize something about Israel. Then you turn around and argue they are incompetent when they hold Hamas accountable for their choices.
 

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Once again pretending that Palestinians are helpless. Sorry but Hamas is well armed and capable as they showed on the 7th.
Hamas doesn't have an army, tanks, missiles, nukes, jets or drones.
In 18 years of the blockade this is the first time they got past the concentration camp walls.

Palestinians are the victims of an illegal occupation, apartheid rule and ongoing ethnic cleansing.
Israel are the oppressors, not victims.

 

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Correction: Jews were not immigrants. There wasn't a country at that time. That was colonized lands where Jews settled under the patronage of the colonial power which had no right at all to give the land to the Jews. It was settler colonialism. Not immigration.
Are you saying that the Ottoman Empire wasn't capable of setting their own laws?

And you're right, the anti-Jewish violence between 1919 and 1935 didn't attack recent Jewish immigrants, they attacked the 1000+ year old indigenous Jewish communities.

Every time you post you just show you're as ignorant of the world as you are about Sudan. Most people lacking in knowledge would quietly listen or try to learn but instead you feel the need to contribute to something you know nothing about. Would love to see you telling your surgeon how to do their job.
 

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There is no reason to stop incitement and prevent something that was not happening. ...
Yes, there were Israeli extremists who were inciting and that what Israel has been trying to act on.

And sorry but you ned to look up the definition of the word "prevent". You prevent things that haven't happened like a measles vaccine is to prevent people getting the measles.
 

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Your usual deflection.

You are the one repeatedly posting about the UN, ICC, ICJ, HRW, Amnesty all being reliable sources when they criticize something about Israel. Then you turn around and argue they are incompetent when they hold Hamas accountable for their choices.
You are running away now.
You said that Hamas must abide by UN, ICC and ICJ rulings.
Now you're afraid to admit that means Israel has to as well.

 

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Do you want to start from the beginning of zionism?
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Go for it.

Under the Ottomans, Jewish immigrants travelled legally and bought land legally. The worst thing that happened was Jewish groups that bought land expecting the previous tenants to leave (we can discuss Ottoman land reforms and the way the peasant class were screwed out of land ownership if you want). Every step towards Jewish militancy was preceded by the need to first protect themselves and then as a response to attacks on Jewish civilians, a theme that has continued to today.

The anti-immigrant and anti-Jewish factions in the Arab society used that as a tool to gain power.
 

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In 1919, the British had taken over those lands.
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Another completely ignorant statement from a guy who admits he has no clue about the topic.

the Brits took over in 1919 but the Jewish populations in Hebron and Jerusalem that were targets of Arab attacks were there for hundreds or thousands of years.

There was violence and massacres on both sides and it is what happens when you forcefully try to change the demographics of a region.
That's exactly what the stormfront people say about immigration to Canada, especially about places like Brampton which demographically changed from a semi-rural white Christian community to a heavily South Asian one.

Sounds like not only do you want Canadian Sikhs killed for peacefully advocacy but you also think violence about non-white immigrants to Canada is acceptable.


And on a historical front, the anti-Jewish violence in the Palestine Mandate predated any Jewish attacks by more than a decade.
 

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Yes, there were Israeli extremists who were inciting and that what Israel has been trying to act on.

And sorry but you ned to look up the definition of the word "prevent". You prevent things that haven't happened like a measles vaccine is to prevent people getting the measles.
Yes and Israel is not 'preventing' killing Palestinians in Gaza, they are still killing them daily.
Israel was also supposed to allow all aid through, they haven't done that either.
And they were supposed to stop all those inciting genocide and here you are still posting here daily.

Israel has not abided by the ICJ ruling.

Tomorrow the NDP will force a debate on ceasefire.
 

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Another completely ignorant statement from a guy who admits he has no clue about the topic.

the Brits took over in 1919 but the Jewish populations in Hebron and Jerusalem that were targets of Arab attacks were there for hundreds or thousands of years.


That's exactly what the stormfront people say about immigration to Canada, especially about places like Brampton which demographically changed from a semi-rural white Christian community to a heavily South Asian one.

Sounds like not only do you want Canadian Sikhs killed for peacefully advocacy but you also think violence about non-white immigrants to Canada is acceptable.


And on a historical front, the anti-Jewish violence in the Palestine Mandate predated any Jewish attacks by more than a decade.
Zionism was always racist and colonial.
 

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basketcase

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... I have a problem with Israel because they are the world's biggest welfare queens.
Hmm. Israel provides the US both military development and intelligence assets to the US. And of course the military aid is essentially the US sending money to American Military companies. The economic aid is insignificant.
2022 numbers are 3.6B in total.

Meanwhile, the Palestinians are completely reliant on foreign aid, getting similar amounts as Israel from western and Middle Eastern sources. What do donors get out of that (other than giving some Middle Eastern states a tool to manipulate their people)?
 
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