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France becomes world’s first country to enshrine abortion rights in constitution

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Good for France who have all the political parties that agree with Women Have The Right to Their Own Bodies. Why Do the Righties in the USA not pay heed to Reality at this day and age?


France became the world’s first country to enshrine abortion rights in its constitution on Monday, the culmination of an effort that began in direct response to the US Supreme Court’s decision to overturn Roe v. Wade.
Lawmakers from both houses of the French Parliament voted 780 to 72 in favor of the measure, easily clearing the three-fifths majority needed to amend the French constitution.
Monday’s vote, held during a special gathering of lawmakers at the Palace of Versailles, southwest of Paris, was the final step in the legislative process. The French Senate and National Assembly each overwhelmingly approved the amendment earlier this year.

The amendment states that there is a “guaranteed freedom” to abortion in France. Some groups and lawmakers had called for stronger language to explicitly call abortion a “right.”
Lawmakers hailed the move as a history-making way for France to send a clear signal of support on reproductive rights, with abortion under threat in the United States, as well as in parts of Europe, like Hungary, where far-right parties have come to power.
Following the vote, the Eiffel Tower was lit up with the words “my body my choice.”

Prime Minister Gabriel Attal said before the vote that lawmakers had a “moral debt” to women who were, in the past, forced to endure illegal abortions.

“Above all, we’re sending a message to all women: your body belongs to you,” Attal said.

French President Emmanuel Macron said the government would hold a formal ceremony celebrating the amendment’s passage on Friday, International Women’s Rights Day.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/24/health/alabama-ivf-roe-v-wade
France first legalized abortion in 1975, after a campaign led by then-Health Minister Simone Veil, an Auschwitz survivor who became one of the country’s most famous feminist icons.

While abortion is a highly divisive issue in US politics that often falls along party lines, in France it is widely supported. Many of the lawmakers who voted against the amendment did so not because they opposed abortion, but because they felt the measure was unnecessary, given the wide support for reproductive rights.

The measure’s passage is a clear victory for the French left, which has been pushing for years to guarantee abortion rights in the constitution. Before 2022, President Emmanuel Macron’s government argued — like the amendment’s current opponents — that the move was unnecessary.

However, in 2022, when the US Supreme Court ruled against Roe v. Wade and let states individually decide on the issue, France was pushed to act.

French Justice Minister Eric Dupond-Moretti said perviously, before debate began in the National Assembly in January, that history was full of other examples where “fundamental rights” were believed to be safe but then taken away, “as we were recently reminded by the decision of the US Supreme Court.”

“We now have irrefutable proof that no democracy, not even the largest of them all, is immune,” he said.

The vote marks the 25th time the French government has amended its constitution since the founding of the Fifth Republic in 1958.

The Catholic Church was one of the few groups to announce its opposition to the amendment. The Pontifical Academy for Life, the Vatican body which focuses on issues related to bioethics, said in a statement that “in the era of universal human rights, there can be no ‘right’ to take human life.”

A conference of French bishops on Thursday also reiterated the church’s opposition to abortion ahead of the vote.

 

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Only extremist totalitarian far right Governments in Europe may be opposed, as the other European Nations are bound to follow suit!!

As France guarantees the right to abortion, other European countries look to expand access

 

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Even Hannity is getting concerned about the manner in which this Abortion Issue will affect the Elections:

Hannity warns GOP against nominating hard-line abortion opponents

Fox News host Sean Hannity warned Republicans against supporting candidates who take hard-line stances on abortion, citing losses in the 2022 midterm elections.

“I would argue, and I think I’m right, in 2022 Republicans were not prepared for how the Democrats would demagogue the issue of abortion,” Hannity said during Fox’s coverage of Super Tuesday. “And I understand people have very strong convictions. However looking at it strictly from a political point of view, and I believe in the sanctity of life … politically the country is probably where Dobbs was at 15 weeks.”


Hannity criticized failed Pennsylvania GOP gubernatorial candidate Doug Mastriano, who as part of his campaign was vocally supportive of a near-total ban on abortion.

“Republicans need to understand that if they pick somebody like they did in ’22 … like other people he made no exceptions, that’s a mistake,” he continued. “They’ve got to have an answer for the millions and millions of dollars that will be spent on ads about abortion.”

Hannity, a Trump supporter, said he was “very happy” to see the former president come out in support of in vitro fertilization.

Trump and President Biden claimed dozens of delegates during Super Tuesday’s various state primaries, setting up what is expected to be a rematch between the two candidates of the 2020 election.

North Carolina Lt. Gov. Mark Robinson (R) will be the GOP nominee for the state’s gubernatorial race following Tuesday’s primary. CNN reported Robinson said in 2020 “there is no compromise on abortion.”

Hannity, a leading pundit on the right, had previously accused Democrats of attempting to “scare” women voters into thinking Republicans want a nationwide ban on abortion.

 

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Now there is a push throughout the EU for Abortion Rights. Damn, the right wingers are getting to be further and further outcasts in this respect:

Women's rights activists launch effort to expand abortion rights to EU level

 

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Good for France who have all the political parties that agree with Women Have The Right to Their Own Bodies. Why Do the Righties in the USA not pay heed to Reality at this day and age?
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I think it is because many righties still hold on to the belief that
human beings have a soul. I suspect that many liberals harbor
that belief as well though they deem the right of human souls
to be secondary to the rights of women to their own bodies.
 

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France has a ton of issues to deal with and current government is worried they will lose the next election in 2027 so they need to change their tactics...I don't think it will help them.

Macron said that the far-right cannot be defeated with moral arguments, telling his ministers that. "You won't be able to make millions of French people who voted for the far-right believe that they are fascists", adding that the strategies and catch phrases "hailing from the 1990s" no longer work.
https://www.thelocal.fr/20230823/8-of-emmanuel-macrons-biggest-problems-as-france-goes-back-to-work
 

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I think it is because many righties still hold on to the belief that
human beings have a soul. I suspect that many liberals harbor
that belief as well though they deem the right of human souls
to be secondary to the rights of women to their own bodies.
The fact is that in France the abortion rate has been steady from 1976 to 2022. France has not criminalized abortions like the USA since the overturning of the Roe v Wade by the Supreme Court. When the health, well being and even life of the pregnant woman is being compromised from their pregnancy, then it is definitely the right of the woman and her medical surgeon to decide the outcome and not the Supreme Court or State Governments in this respect. We know that for example when the fetus is diagnosed well in advance as being autistic, then the future of parents could be very stressful, and costly in the long term during their upbringing!!
 
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I think it is because many righties still hold on to the belief that
human beings have a soul. I suspect that many liberals harbor
that belief as well though they deem the right of human souls
to be secondary to the rights of women to their own bodies.
Unfortunately, the topic of abortion has become politicized and often used as weapon against opponents.

It really comes down to each person's personal view and often outside of life threatening situations: When is a person a person and when is it acceptable to kill them?

Science says that a heart starts beating at about 6 weeks into a pregnancy.
Some believe that life really beings when a child is born at the end of the pregnancy.

The "unborn" can't speak for themselves in an effort to persuade not being killed.

If they can't grant permission, defend themselves, and are not part of the decision, is it technically murder as it would be for say an adult?

Complicated topic indeed.
 

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The fact is that in France the abortion rate has been steady from 1976 to 2022. France has not criminalized abortions like the USA since the overturning of the Roe v Wade by the Supreme Court. When the health, well being and even life of the pregnant woman is being compromised from their pregnancy, then it is definitely the right of the woman and her medical surgeon to decide the outcome and not the Supreme Court or State Governments in this respect. We know that for example when the fetus is diagnosed well in advance as being autistic, then the future of parents could be very stressful, and costly in the long term during their upbringing!!
Bad example. Autism screening before birth is not considered completely accurate at this time. https://www.spectrumnews.org/features/deep-dive/the-problems-with-prenatal-testing-for-autism/

Just imagine if a inaccurate diagnosis prevented these people from being born:

https://behavioral-innovations.com/blog/20-famous-people-with-autism-spectrum-disorder-asd/
 
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Bad example. Autism screening before birth is not considered completely accurate at this time. https://www.spectrumnews.org/features/deep-dive/the-problems-with-prenatal-testing-for-autism/

Just imagine if a inaccurate diagnosis prevented these people from being born:

https://behavioral-innovations.com/blog/20-famous-people-with-autism-spectrum-disorder-asd/
That is the past. The Science, Research and Technology has changed and moving forward, the signs of autism can be accurately diagnosed by a routine prenatal ultrasound in the second trimester of pregnancy. This definitely helps to find the early signs of the Autism Spectrum Disorder!!
 

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France is so interesting on religion. Despite it being overwhelmingly a Catholic country where religion impacts personal and daily life but their government makes great effort to stick to representative, secular governance. Sadly the US is now considering that separation of Church and State thing as an optional part of the constitution.
 

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It really comes down to each person's personal view and often outside of life threatening situations: When is a person a person and when is it acceptable to kill them?
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Yet the freedom constitution crowd think they have the right to impose their religious views on the entire country.
 
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Bad example. Autism screening before birth is not considered completely accurate at this time. https://www.spectrumnews.org/features/deep-dive/the-problems-with-prenatal-testing-for-autism/

Just imagine if a inaccurate diagnosis prevented these people from being born:

https://behavioral-innovations.com/blog/20-famous-people-with-autism-spectrum-disorder-asd/
There are a bunch of genes very closely linked to autism even if there is not a gene that explicitly determines autism.

But what happened to your view that it's a personal decision.

p.s. While abortion may have prevented some amazing people from being born, it also may have prevented some truly disgusting people from existing. Imagine if every poor or marginalized mother was forced to give birth? Either there would be shitload of un-adopted kids or a ton of single mothers (and you've stated your opinion on that topic).


p.p.s. I personally wouldn't consider autism as a reason to abort. Down syndrome on the other hand is extremely taxing on parents and the child would tend to have a shortened life with plenty of health issues.
 

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That is the past. The Science, Research and Technology has changed and moving forward, the signs of autism can be accurately diagnosed by a routine prenatal ultrasound in the second trimester of pregnancy. This definitely helps to find the early signs of the Autism Spectrum Disorder!!
Yes getting better but not conclusive and still very much in the study phase. Big decision to make based on something that's not conclusive no?
 
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Unfortunately, the topic of abortion has become politicized and often used as weapon against opponents.

It really comes down to each person's personal view and often outside of life threatening situations: When is a person a person and when is it acceptable to kill them?
Do you mean that it is everyone's personnel view as long as that view is the same as yours?
 
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Yet the freedom constitution crowd think they have the right to impose their religious views on the entire country.
And vise versa no?
 
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There are a bunch of genes very closely linked to autism even if there is not a gene that explicitly determines autism.

But what happened to your view that it's a personal decision.

p.s. While abortion may have prevented some amazing people from being born, it also may have prevented some truly disgusting people from existing. Imagine if every poor or marginalized mother was forced to give birth? Either there would be shitload of un-adopted kids or a ton of single mothers (and you've stated your opinion on that topic).


p.p.s. I personally wouldn't consider autism as a reason to abort. Down syndrome on the other hand is extremely taxing on parents and the child would tend to have a shortened life with plenty of health issues.
The science for prenatal screening for autism is not conclusive yet. Maybe in time it will be. As it stands, it's not.

The list of people I provided was specifically for autism to reinforce my point about people aborting if they believe their child will be autistic.

re preventing disgusting people from being born, that's not really a fair comparison. People are a product of many things after they are born. Long list of influences and factors that shape who they end up becoming. Those influences can't happen to anyone if they're not born.

Babies in the womb who have been diagnosed with something severe or even life threatening to the mother would be a totally different thing.
 
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Only extremist totalitarian far right Governments in Europe may be opposed, as the other European Nations are bound to follow suit!!

As France guarantees the right to abortion, other European countries look to expand access

Italy won' that's for sure.
 
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