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Pro Hamas in the west - and their adventures

whynot888

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How would anyone negotiate a release of hostages when the party holding them will not tell you how many are alive.
Thats because they probably rape the women and killed all the hostages already, then they'll put the blame on Israel and say they killed them lol
 

toguy5252

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Its pretty much common sense, but seems like Franky does not quite understand the logic or unless he does but likes the slaughter of the Palestinian people to make Israel look like the bad guys. You go in and attack, capture hostages and want them to ceasefire? Its suppose to be, release the hostages and a ceasefire will follow.
there has not been enough death among Palestinians yet for Hamas, franki, gryphon and kat. They are hoping for more because protests seem to be abating.
 

Frankfooter

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Its pretty much common sense, but seems like Franky does not quite understand the logic or unless he does but likes the slaughter of the Palestinian people to make Israel look like the bad guys. You go in and attack, capture hostages and want them to ceasefire? Its suppose to be, release the hostages and a ceasefire will follow.
Netanyahu proved that the only way to return the hostages is negotiations with Hamas and a ceasefire. That was the only way they came home.
But he's been way more interested in killing them in his final solution.

Thats because they probably rape the women and killed all the hostages already, then they'll put the blame on Israel and say they killed them lol
All the hostages returned so far have been well taken care of and not raped.
Remember the three that Israel shot?
Netanyahu wants everyone dead, Hannibal Doctrine...

there has not been enough death among Palestinians yet for Hamas, franki, gryphon and kat. They are hoping for more because protests seem to be abating.
There has been too much death which is why most of the world is calling for a ceasefire, end of apartheid and an end to the occupation.
Only the zionists want more genocide and a final solution.


 
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Leimonis

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There has been too much death which is why most of the world is calling for a ceasefire, end of apartheid and an end to the occupation.
which would only mean a destruction and annihilation of a 5 million people nuclear state...definitely no deaths would ensue from that :rolleyes:
 

shack

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What other country denies their indigenous population citizenship and basic human rights?
You refuse to answer my question. What other country allows non-citizens to vote in their elections? You answer and then I will. You know that the answer is ZERO which by the way is equal to the integrity you have and the credibility you have.
Do you think 'every country in the world' is doing this?
Yes. Every country in the world decides who gets citizenship and who gets to vote. According to your ridiculous argument, every country in the world is practising apartheid.

Its apartheid, as reported by the UN.
The UN does not tell any country who gets to have citizenship.

And the UN definition of apartheid is different than S. Africa's. S. Africa's policy dealt only with their own citizens. You and the UN need to come up with a new name.

Ergo you are functionally brain dead and think a continuing genocide through starvation doesn't mean people will die.
Very compelling argument filled with facts. Name calling means you are surrendering the debate. Hamas should learn from you and surrender a war that they cannot win.

Hamas is committing genocide against their own people. They brought this war upon them. They provided no shelter. They used their own people as shields. They steal the aid meant for their own people.

Hamas will go down as committing the biggest betrayal of their own people in history. They Nazied their own people. They are savages and vermin. They starved their own people. Hamas are genociding the Palestinians and it will be recorded in all history books. And their supporters will be held to the same standards as you cheer on every Pali death.
 

Klatuu

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Yes. Every country in the world decides who gets citizenship and who gets to vote. According to your ridiculous argument, every country in the world is practising apartheid.
That’s exactly the logic of South African apartheid, sad Shack. A “sovereign” nation deciding who gets citizenship. In this case, like the McState of Israel, citizenship laws are used as tools of apartheid.

“ In 1970 the Black Homelands Citizenship Act effectively cancelled all black South African citizenship because these homelands became technically autonomous and self-governed.”

 
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shack

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There is zero evidence of any rape on Oct 7 by Hamas.
Here you go. Eat crow.

As reported by AP, CBC, Wall Street Journal, New York Times etc.:
UN finds 'convincing information' backing reports Hamas and other militants raped women on Oct. 7 | CBC News
UN: 'Reasonable grounds to believe' rapes occurred in Hamas attack in Israel : NPR
UN Finds Evidence Hamas Committed Sexual Violence Since Oct. 7 - Bloomberg
UN sexual violence envoy: Israelis were raped, sexually tortured on 10/7 - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)
'Reasonable grounds’ Hamas committed sexual violence on Oct. 7: UN | National Post
United Nations group finds Hamas committed sexual violence on Oct. 7 | The Hill
The UN's own news source: ‘Clear and convincing information’ that hostages held in Gaza subjected to sexual violence says UN Special Representative | UN News
Israeli rape crisis centres demand UN action over Oct. 7 attacks | Reuters

You have egg on your face once again.

Here's a chance for you to show some honour, integrity a modicum of decency. For once be a mensch You need to apologize and admit that you were wrong.

In the face of such overwhelming and universally accepted evidence, if you continue to lie about the rape and sexual violence perpetrated on Oct.7, I do not know how that could be considered anything other than egregious hate speech.
 

shack

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You want a surrender so that the genocide can continue with no resistance, don't you?
You want all Palestinians to die in Gaza, don't you?
You have zero evidence or proof. It's as real as your claim that there was no raping on Oct.7. Pure unadulterated BS and hate speech.
 

Klatuu

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Here you go. Eat crow.

As reported by AP, CBC, Wall Street Journal, New York Times etc.:
UN finds 'convincing information' backing reports Hamas and other militants raped women on Oct. 7 | CBC News
UN: 'Reasonable grounds to believe' rapes occurred in Hamas attack in Israel : NPR
UN Finds Evidence Hamas Committed Sexual Violence Since Oct. 7 - Bloomberg
UN sexual violence envoy: Israelis were raped, sexually tortured on 10/7 - The Jerusalem Post (jpost.com)
'Reasonable grounds’ Hamas committed sexual violence on Oct. 7: UN | National Post
United Nations group finds Hamas committed sexual violence on Oct. 7 | The Hill
The UN's own news source: ‘Clear and convincing information’ that hostages held in Gaza subjected to sexual violence says UN Special Representative | UN News
Israeli rape crisis centres demand UN action over Oct. 7 attacks | Reuters

You have egg on your face once again.

Here's a chance for you to show some honour, integrity a modicum of decency. For once be a mensch You need to apologize and admit that you were wrong.

In the face of such overwhelming and universally accepted evidence, if you continue to lie about the rape and sexual violence perpetrated on Oct.7, I do not know how that could be considered anything other than egregious hate speech.
Unfortunately the UN report doesn’t explicitly say this happened at all. In fact:


You should always use primary sources when they are available. And they are.
 

Frankfooter

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You refuse to answer my question. What other country allows non-citizens to vote in their elections? You answer and then I will. You know that the answer is ZERO which by the way is equal to the integrity you have and the credibility you have.
Yes. Every country in the world decides who gets citizenship and who gets to vote. According to your ridiculous argument, every country in the world is practising apartheid.

The UN does not tell any country who gets to have citizenship.

And the UN definition of apartheid is different than S. Africa's. S. Africa's policy dealt only with their own citizens. You and the UN need to come up with a new name.


Very compelling argument filled with facts. Name calling means you are surrendering the debate. Hamas should learn from you and surrender a war that they cannot win.
Apartheid is denying people rights based on race, denying citizenship is as far as you can go in denyig rights. Its as apartheid as you can make it. You keep making the argument that Israel is apartheid stronger instead of countering it.

Hamas is committing genocide against their own people. They brought this war upon them. They provided no shelter. They used their own people as shields. They steal the aid meant for their own people.

Hamas will go down as committing the biggest betrayal of their own people in history. They Nazied their own people. They are savages and vermin. They starved their own people. Hamas are genociding the Palestinians and it will be recorded in all history books. And their supporters will be held to the same standards as you cheer on every Pali death.
No, shack, using the wife beater's defence doesn't work.
Blaming the victim for making you commit genocide just makes you look that much more evil and abuser like.
Its classic abuser language.

Israel chose to occupy Palestine
Israel chose to turn Gaza into a concentration camp
Israel chose to commit genocide

Own it like Israel's Defence Minister owns it.

 

Leimonis

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You really think Israel can't exist without apartheid?
look at your palestinian friends, particularly at gazans, and tell me what would happen if they are not contained behind a fence
 
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Frankfooter

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look at your palestinian friends, particularly at gazans, and tell me what would happen if they are not contained behind a fence
They would likely live as Israeli Arabs do with almost full rights.
Though its going to take a long time to get past the genocide, not to mention how much restitution will be to rebuild Gaza and lost lives.
 

Leimonis

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They would likely live as Israeli Arabs do with almost full rights.
Though its going to take a long time to get past the genocide, not to mention how much restitution will be to rebuild Gaza and lost lives.
or maybe, just maybe, they would do their best to genocide jews as they have been trying to do for decades
 
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