Trudeau says Albertans have been misled into opposing his 'conservative' carbon tax

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Prime Minister Justin Trudeau told Albertans that right-wing politicians are misleading them on the carbon tax and net-zero targets, and that the transformation of the Canadian energy sector is “not a plot by Eastern bastards” to phase out oilsands.

On Ryan Jespersen’s Real Talk show on Wednesday, Trudeau was asked if he is committed to sticking with his government’s defining environmental policy, which Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre has pledged would be scrapped if he forms government after the next election.

“Putting a price on pollution is a profoundly small-c conservative idea,” said Trudeau, who described it as a way of “letting market forces drive innovation instead of using the heavy hands of regulation” to put a price on pollution that is costing billions across the country.

Trudeau admitted that his government knew the carbon tax was “going to hit families across the country” financially, so instead of opting to reinvest the profits into clean energy — as Quebec has done with its system — the Liberals opted to instead to offer rebates.

The current system gives back quarterly rebates to people living in provinces under the federal regime based on their income, with lower-income households benefiting the most. People living in rural areas can also receive extra rebates.

Trudeau said that a family of four in Alberta can expect to receive $1,800 in the next year, or $450 quarterly, to compensate for the cost of the carbon tax.

The Parliamentary Budget Officer, however, concluded that this system would not be revenue-neutral for most households by 2030, as the government claims, once the carbon levy reaches $170 a tonne, but was criticized for not considering the costs of climate change.

The carbon tax has become so unpopular that two of the three declared candidates in the Alberta NDP leadership race have declared it is time to dump the consumer carbon tax.

Trudeau insisted that provinces and territories can come up with their own pricing scheme “as long as it’s equivalent to what everyone’s doing across the country.”

“If a new government in Alberta wants to change the way they put a price on pollution, (they can) knock themselves out,” he said about the NDP leadership contenders’ criticism.

“What matters is that we continue to send to industry a very clear signal that those who invest in innovative solutions, those who reduce their carbon emissions, will get an advantage and will not be penalized for having made investments that are … good for the economy of the future.”

Trudeau also urged Alberta to lead the way to achieve Canada’s net-zero targets with innovative solutions in the energy sector, such as hydrogen or carbon capture, utilization and storage.

“Canada can and should be the reliable provider of net-zero energy in a net-zero world by 2050. And if we’re going to be that (provider), we need Albertans to be thinking and working on that every single day,” he said.

During her recent visit to Ottawa, Alberta Premier Danielle Smith insisted on “the need for a new consensus between Alberta and Canada” and hoped that “all sides can get on the same page and move forward together,” while admitting it could happen “with time and patience.”

Trudeau used his interview with Jespersen in Edmonton to instead slam Smith’s government, which he accused of not talking “about the reality of climate change” and “putting the brakes on making sure there are good jobs for Albertans in the energy sector for decades to come.”

“If you can build a pipeline for oilsands oil, you can build a pipeline for hydrogen. If you can build the technology necessary for an oilsands refinery, you can build the technology necessary for hydrogens plant,” he said.

“Albertans will have great jobs in the future if the Alberta government gets out of its ideological opposition to doing things that are good for workers, good for the planet.”

At the same time, the world is still going to be needing Alberta oil, he said, citing the government’s acquisition of the Trans Mountain pipeline for which he said he took “a huge hit in the teeth” among his “eastern urban environmentalist voters.”

Trudeau endured a barrage of criticism in 2017, though, when he said Canada needs “to phase out” the oilsands at a town hall event in Ontario.

“The world is changing and it’s not a plot by eastern bastards,” added Trudeau, who did not specify if he is part of that group. “The world is looking at net-zero right now. Alberta can be part of that. But right-wing ideology is getting in the way of Alberta’s success right now.”

Jespersen said he could “already hear” Premier Smith and oil company CEO’s response to Trudeau’s rant and their surprise at the prime minister telling Albertans that “government ideology needs to get out of the way of innovation in the oilsands.”

“They feel that it’s you that’s been imposing Liberal ideology,” said Jespersen.

 
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lol. Looks like desperation is setting in, and it’s not eastern bastards severing them.

$1,850 pretty sweet deal if you have tons of public transit, do far less driving pound for pound, never mind , have teens with their own vehicles needed to get to work/school ( aka 3-4 vehicles) and cheap Nat gas in exchange for votes and other people’s $$
 

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“Putting a price on pollution is a profoundly small-c conservative idea,” said Trudeau

It is amusing Trudeau did not say "putting a price on climate change is ....".
By now Trudeau must have realized Liberals fighting pollution instead is
more believable in light of his record of carbon emission from flying private
jets.

 

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These far right extremists think that. Climate Change is just an "Alarmist" Conspiracy Theory. When their provinces are hit by the effects of Climate change is when they want the Federal Government to step up to Finance the destruction from Forest Fires, Flooding and Tornadoes in the Province. Will be interesting what this far right Danielle Smith comes up with an alternative to the carbon Tax. Seniors will scream at her when all the Climate change incentives etc. are then withheld by the Federal Govt:

 
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Smith is a wacko, she says now she's going to try to rework the oil slush fund now, while cutting services to pay for it.
She says this is the last chance to cash in on the oil industry.
 
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These far right extremists think that. Climate Change is just an "Alarmist" Conspiracy Theory. When their provinces are hit by the effects of Climate change is when they want the Federal Government to step up to Finance the destruction from Forest Fires, Flooding and Tornadoes in the Province. Will be interesting what this far right Danielle Smith comes up with an alternative to the carbon Tax. Seniors will scream at her when all the Climate change incentives etc. are then withheld by the Federal Govt:

why are you so afraid of it? And do you not know it’s inevitable. Or do you not grasp what an accelerated rate is. Kind like you don’t grasp fwd.

and if it’s all that why are government still building on flood planes, coastlines, razing forest that leave tinder, not improving hydro grids for millions of EVs
 
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These far right extremists think that. Climate Change is just an "Alarmist" Conspiracy Theory. When their provinces are hit by the effects of Climate change is when they want the Federal Government to step up to Finance the destruction from Forest Fires, Flooding and Tornadoes in the Province. Will be interesting what this far right Danielle Smith comes up with an alternative to the carbon Tax. Seniors will scream at her when all the Climate change incentives etc. are then withheld by the Federal Govt:

what is extreme, is believing mankind (people kind for the terminally stupid crowd) can control our dynamic , non linear and chaotic climate.
extreme as in extremely foolish

even worse is believing the moron Justin Trudeau and the lunatic Steven Guilbeault can save you from ''the effects of Climate change"

what is required is an early election to save Canada from the moron Justin Trudeau and the lunatic Steven Guilbeault

learn some physics rather than insisting you want to control the behavior of others based on your ignorance and climate change alarmism propaganda
 

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what is extreme, is believing mankind (people kind for the terminally stupid crowd) can control our dynamic , non linear and chaotic climate.
extreme as in extremely foolish
What is idiotic is that people are still denying that humans are changing the climate despite 50 years of accurate projections from scientists.
The world hit 1.5ºC warmer this year, which is one third of an Ice Age Unit of warming, and you still think nothing is happening.

That is idiotic.

There have been forest fires burning all winter in BC and Alberta.

 

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why are you so afraid of it? And do you not know it’s inevitable. Or do you not grasp what an accelerated rate is. Kind like you don’t grasp fwd.

and if it’s all that why are government still building on flood planes, coastlines, razing forest that leave tinder, not improving hydro grids for millions of EVs
Yes, I'm worried that if we globally do not address this Climate change with the reduction of carbon emissions, then one day this will be a catastrophic impact on our planet.
The REAL SCIENTISTS have all the data from their Research to prove it. You are referring to the far right governments such as Bolsonaro in Brazil that gave the go ahead to raze down the forests. We saw the fires doing so to our precious forests and habitat. One does not have a magic wand for the overnight building the power grids for EVs. It is coming and so suck up to it!!
 
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Yes, I'm worried that if we globally do not address this Climate change with the reduction of carbon emissions, then one day this will be a catastrophic impact on our planet.
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What is the impact on climate change between 'do address' and
'do not address' in the light of the climate warning of the urgent
need of halving global emission by 2030 to avert CO2 concentration
passing the point of climate irreversibility? Seems to me nearly
the whole world has already addressed climate change thanks to the
influence of Greta.
 

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Yes, I'm worried that if we globally do not address this Climate change with the reduction of carbon emissions, then one day this will be a catastrophic impact on our planet.
The REAL SCIENTISTS have all the data from their Research to prove it. You are referring to the far right governments such as Bolsonaro in Brazil that gave the go ahead to raze down the forests. We saw the fires doing so to our precious forests and habitat. One does not have a magic wand for the overnight building the power grids for EVs. It is coming and so suck up to it!!
So what are you afraid of. Death? I hope you know that’s inevitable too. Maybe one day, you too will face it square in the face with Cancer. it ain’t all that. You get to a point where you stop stressing about it.

If you are so worried about the planet, don’t. It will be just fine. And please don’t say “but our children”. I’ll tell you now I’m going to bullshit on that. And point at all the debt you're saddling them with. You have no qualms passing that buck on to them.

if your so alarmed about the environment I’m going to call bullshit on that, and point how raping the planet for things like lumber and water. Good old regular garbage refuse and consumerism. Do you really need a billion golf courses and more. Do you know lots of places are running out of fresh clean water. That too, could wipe people out before a couple centigrades. Do you know one known change will be changing precipitation. How do you know that won’t save the planet…... Maybe places in Africa and elsewhere can have more water and grow food? Maybe the sooner the better.

And if youre alarmed about people-kind taking a big hit. I’m going to call bullshit on that too. See 1-2 inches up and more. And every sign there’s going be a war, that does that, long before the climate does.

maybe what you should be alarmed about is, why if it’s as bad as you fear. Why they aren’t doing the very obvious simple things. Like

-Not improving the hydro grid for the millions of EVs.
-Continuing to build on flood planes and coastlines
-razing forest. I’ll bet you’ve never flown over Alqonquin Park to see what’s just behind hills and out of sight, out of mind. Never mind a little further north where all the forest fires are.
-Are you old enough to remember when a heavy rain didn’t flood streets and subways either? I bet you don’t know that grasses, trees and shrubs are natures way of… nor simply, shit, maybe the way we build suburbia so our streets don’t flood after every heavy rain.

But let’s just see if you can or will answer number 1
 
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What is the impact on climate change between 'do address' and
'do not address' in the light of the climate warning of the urgent
need of halving global emission by 2030 to avert CO2 concentration
passing the point of climate irreversibility? Seems to me nearly
the whole world has already addressed climate change thanks to the
influence of Greta.
Global Emission have to be reduced drastically. How has the whole world already addressed the Climate Change?
 

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So what are you afraid of. Death? I hope you know that’s inevitable too. Maybe one day, you too will face it square in the face with Cancer. it ain’t all that. You get to a point where you stop stressing about it.

If you are so worried about the planet, don’t. It will be just fine. And please don’t say “but our children”. I’ll tell you now I’m going to bullshit on that. And point at all the debt you're saddling them with. You have no qualms passing that buck on to them.

if your so alarmed about the environment I’m going to call bullshit on that, and point how raping the planet for things like lumber and water. Good old regular garbage refuse and consumerism. Do you really need a billion golf courses and more. Do you know lots of places are running out of fresh clean water. That too, could wipe people out before a couple centigrades. Do you know one known change will be changing precipitation. How do you know that won’t save the planet…... Maybe places in Africa and elsewhere can have more water and grow food? Maybe the sooner the better.

And if youre alarmed about people-kind taking a big hit. I’m going to call bullshit on that too. See 1-2 inches up and more. And every sign there’s going be a war, that does that, long before the climate does.

maybe what you should be alarmed about is, why if it’s as bad as you fear. Why they aren’t doing the very obvious simple things. Like

-Not improving the hydro grid for the millions of EVs.
-Continuing to build on flood planes and coastlines
-razing forest. I’ll bet you’ve never flown over Alqonquin Park to see what’s just behind hills and out of sight, out of mind. Never mind a little further north where all the forest fires are.
-Are you old enough to remember when a heavy rain didn’t flood streets and subways either? I bet you don’t know that grasses, trees and shrubs are natures way of… nor simply, shit, maybe the way we build suburbia so our streets don’t flood after every heavy rain.

But let’s just see if you can or will answer number 1
Obviously you are living in a shell, if you have not noticed the effects of Climate Change on this Planet. Once again all the real Scientists who have done all the research have come to the conclusion that the Global Emissions need to be addressed. Read this article and learn something for a change:


I am not worried about the debt that you Climate change deniers seem to deflect to. My children are is good state in the manner in which they are professionally qualified and in jobs that need their expert use. They are more worried about the effects of Climate Change and how it will impact their future. Our current Canadian inflation etc is tackled far more effectively than our G7 partners and the economy will no doubt recover sooner than those nations. The economy in the short term is affecting the Canadians, however, the outlook is brighter for Canada in the near future!!


Sooner or later more and more charging stations will be built so not all doom and gloom from your posts:

 

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Obviously you are living in a shell, if you have not noticed the effects of Climate Change on this Planet. Once again all the real Scientists who have done all the research have come to the conclusion that the Global Emissions need to be addressed. Read this article and learn something for a change:


I am not worried about the debt that you Climate change deniers seem to deflect to. My children are is good state in the manner in which they are professionally qualified and in jobs that need their expert use. They are more worried about the effects of Climate Change and how it will impact their future. Our current Canadian inflation etc is tackled far more effectively than our G7 partners and the economy will no doubt recover sooner than those nations. The economy in the short term is affecting the Canadians, however, the outlook is brighter for Canada in the near future!!


Sooner or later more and more charging stations will be built so not all doom and gloom from your posts:

Hello ever to squirrel. There’s plenty in my above post that says I don’t deny it. Nor have I ever puppy.

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and I’m sure we all notice how you are deflecting from simple questions. If it’s going to be armeddon why aren’t they….

Im guessing you’ll need pee pads soon.
 
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Hello ever to squirrel. There’s plenty in my above post that says I don’t deny it. Nor have I ever puppy.

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and I’m sure we all notice how you are deflecting from simple questions. If it’s going to be armeddon why aren’t they….

Im guessing you’ll need pee pads soon.
Garbled nonsense!!
 
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