Is this the warmest winter in Toronto ever?

JohnHenry

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Definitely. If you look at the temperature graph over the last few decades, it's been a steady and increasingly accelerating upward rise. Coincidentally, the amount of carbon dioxide being released has also been increasing during the same time frame. Once the Earth's temperature rises, it creates a snowball effect. The polar ice caps melt, and less sunglight is being reflected back, making the Earth even hotter. Carbon dioxide that was trapped in the oceans begins to be released, as warm water cannot hold onto it as efficiently. That's why there is a "tipping point" where beyond a certain temperature increase, it becomes exponentially difficult to lower the Earth's temperature back.

The warming of the planet will lead to more erratic and extreme weather, as well as the disturbance of animals habitats and interrupt their normal behavior. For example, the melting ice caps have caused some polar bears to die swimming for hours, trying to find solid ice to rest on. There will be flooding, a significant decline in food production, and many other problems which will threaten world stability. The world is already on the verge of World War 3, but imagine how much more dangerous things are when countries are starving, and economies around the world start to collapse.

That is why it's critical to take action before it's too late. However, oil companies have purposely tried to obfuscate the situation. They first claimed that global warming was a hoax, and that the Earth's temperature was not rising as a result of carbon dioxide emissions. When the data and evidence was so overwhelming, they then tried to say that global warming was real, and man made, but that there would be no effect on the planet. This is reminiscent of how cigarette companies tried to hide evidence and deceive the public about the link between smoking and cancer, in order to protect their profits.


You left out that when the permafrost in Northern Canada and Russia thaws, it will release trapped methane gas, and accelerate warming.
 
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Definitely. If you look at the temperature graph over the last few decades, it's been a steady and increasingly accelerating upward rise. Coincidentally, the amount of carbon dioxide being released has also been increasing during the same time frame. Once the Earth's temperature rises, it creates a snowball effect. The polar ice caps melt, and less sunglight is being reflected back, making the Earth even hotter. Carbon dioxide that was trapped in the oceans begins to be released, as warm water cannot hold onto it as efficiently. That's why there is a "tipping point" where beyond a certain temperature increase, it becomes exponentially difficult to lower the Earth's temperature back.

The warming of the planet will lead to more erratic and extreme weather, as well as the disturbance of animals habitats and interrupt their normal behavior. For example, the melting ice caps have caused some polar bears to die swimming for hours, trying to find solid ice to rest on. There will be flooding, a significant decline in food production, and many other problems which will threaten world stability. The world is already on the verge of World War 3, but imagine how much more dangerous things are when countries are starving, and economies around the world start to collapse.

That is why it's critical to take action before it's too late. However, oil companies have purposely tried to obfuscate the situation. They first claimed that global warming was a hoax, and that the Earth's temperature was not rising as a result of carbon dioxide emissions. When the data and evidence was so overwhelming, they then tried to say that global warming was real, and man made, but that there would be no effect on the planet. This is reminiscent of how cigarette companies tried to hide evidence and deceive the public about the link between smoking and cancer, in order to protect their profits.


Huh? The biggest cause of climate change is over population. Governments all over the world are intentionally increasing the population by offering all kinds of money to people to have more kids and we got a madman who has a mass immigration policy importing the whole third world here (Toronto apartment 3 1/2 going for $2500 a month). All they care about is money. No government will take action because of greed. The first goal is to slow down the population increase all over the world. 8.5 billion humans is too much and freaky. More humans = More pollution. More humans means less food which is exactly what governments and corporations want because they will make shit loads of money.
 

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As others have mentioned, this is an El Niño year which explains our mild winter. El Niño and La Niña events occur every two to seven years, on average, but they don't occur on a regular schedule.

While global warming definitely causes adverse weather patterns, you can't blame everything one it, as many do. I also don't like what Trudeau's doing with the price on carbon. Yes we should reduce emission, conserve energy and find ways to create less pollution. But taxing the crap out of people who can least afford it, is cruel and not the right approach. I understand people get rebates from the government, but when you add up how much extra you pay because the carbon tax raises the price of just about everything, it's costing everyone more.

Regardless of what we do in Canada to reduce global warming, it's not going to make the slightest difference. Until the worst polluters like China and India start making changes, things are only going to get worse. Our idiot politicians think that if we set an example, then the world (China & India) will follow suit. That's not how things work. But go ahead, squeeze every last penny from people's pockets, all in the name of saving the planet.
 

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As others have mentioned, this is an El Niño year which explains our mild winter. El Niño and La Niña events occur every two to seven years, on average, but they don't occur on a regular schedule.

While global warming definitely causes adverse weather patterns, you can't blame everything one it, as many do. I also don't like what Trudeau's doing with the price on carbon. Yes we should reduce emission, conserve energy and find ways to create less pollution. But taxing the crap out of people who can least afford it, is cruel and not the right approach. I understand people get rebates from the government, but when you add up how much extra you pay because the carbon tax raises the price of just about everything, it's costing everyone more.

Regardless of what we do in Canada to reduce global warming, it's not going to make the slightest difference. Until the worst polluters like China and India start making changes, things are only going to get worse. Our idiot politicians think that if we set an example, then the world (China & India) will follow suit. That's not how things work. But go ahead, squeeze every last penny from people's pockets, all in the name of saving the planet.
CO2 is not pollution.
 
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Huh? The biggest cause of climate change is over population. Governments all over the world are intentionally increasing the population by offering all kinds of money to people to have more kids and we got a madman who has a mass immigration policy importing the whole third world here (Toronto apartment 3 1/2 going for $2500 a month). All they care about is money. No government will take action because of greed. The first goal is to slow down the population increase all over the world. 8.5 billion humans is too much and freaky. More humans = More pollution. More humans means less food which is exactly what governments and corporations want because they will make shit loads of money.
The planet can support much more than 8.5 million people. But the problem is where the population is increasing the most - in Africa.
 

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The Northwest Passage will be a reality. No more need for the Suez Canal.
 

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Hotter the better.
Next year there will be no El Nino or will be a milder El Nino and everyone will be bitching how cold it is.
Enjoy it while you can.
Yes I am 1 of the proud climate change deniers. Planet has gone through this before and that's been proven by the same climate fear mongers that tell you we are all going to roast to death if we don't stop using fossil fuels. I say burn them(fossil fuels) if you got them.
Yep when the population of Homo sapiens was 0 .

Let's all 10 billions of us migrate where we will be able to survive the next warming ....if those countries accept that many , if there's enough water for everybody in those regions , if !?

Don't get me wrong.
-There's not enough power in anywhere in Canada to have the vehicle park switch to EV in the next 10 to 15 years.
-There is replacement for all the products, compound and derivatives oil supplies in our daily lives .
-There is no readily available replacement or substitute for most of the equipment and industries that is required to maintain our way of life as of now .

But we still have to work at it instead of denying it.

Will the up coming millennial generation see the decline of the world economy ? Maybe ...most likely if we stay the course
 

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The planet can support much more than 8.5 million people. But the problem is where the population is increasing the most - in Africa.
That is one part of the problem. The country is already poor and having more kids will increase poverty. As for the planet, there are large landmasses that remain sparsely populated like Greenland but no one wants to go there because it is too cold. Governments need to come together to get the population to spread out. Canada has the same issue also, everyone is piling into the GTA while the Northwest Territories and the Yukon remain sparsely the populated. Time to send the immigrants and asylum seekers there were the population is needed.
 
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I work in healthcare maintaining databases. There was a study a few years ago about shovelling and heart attack/cardiac arrest. The results were quite impressive. Shovelling is very hard and demanding. Be careful and go buy these electric shovels or full blower if you are above 40 and do not train regularly.

Where you're wrong is associating cold with snow. It pretty much never snows when it's very cold (minus 10 or lower). It snows more when the temp is between 0 to minus 10. Which is relatively warm.

That said indeed this year, even where I live in Quebec, it's very often above 0 since December so we got a lot of rain instead of snow indeed.
Yes, I agree that people should not associate cold with snow. On another note, any ideas on Oracle(databases and other stuff). I have been holding the stock for decades.
 

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As for the planet, there are large landmasses that remain sparsely populated like Greenland but no one wants to go there because it is too cold.
Solution to that... global warming

Much like the best way to stop bullies is to get people to stop being faggy little twats, the best way to do that... bullies
-Jimmy Carr
 

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On a smaler scale, there are 2 things I'm curious about:
1) How much money has the City of Toronto saved due to the mild winter. They must budget a certain amount for snow removal and road salting every year.
2) How will the mild winter affect gardens in the summer. Better, worse, no effect?
 

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I dunno who's out and about right now but it sure isn't feeling like the warmest winter currently 🥶 It's windy out there!
 

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Yes, I agree that people should not associate cold with snow. On another note, any ideas on Oracle(databases and other stuff). I have been holding the stock for decades.
Ho my god do you touch a nerve here ;) Many years ago Oracle made a move towards Linux-based servers for their database solution. I told the uncle of my girlfriend back then about it. Told him it would be a short-lived hype before things get back to normal.

The dude listened to me and made a quarter of a million in 2 weeks. He was so happy he invited me for dinner. We ended up at Subway!!! The worst is I ended up paying for our 2 subs... 2 Weeks later I am at his house in Quebec City. A million-dollar mansion overlooking the river. He praised me to his 10-12 guests for how I made him make so much money. I thanked him for the delicious cheese-steak sub for it. Haha, he was red as a cooked lobster. That night I drove back from Quebec City to Ottawa during the night and never heard from that prick again. The girlfriend bugged me for a month or 2. Only saw her in Montreal 4 years later by pure coincidence... I had a new girl and two young kids with me. It was a short talk.

Now about 20 years or so later I am no longer in the game for such stock tips at all. I find crypto a joke so I`m now too old for the game ;)
 
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On a smaler scale, there are 2 things I'm curious about:
1) How much money has the City of Toronto saved due to the mild winter. They must budget a certain amount for snow removal and road salting every year.
2) How will the mild winter affect gardens in the summer. Better, worse, no effect?
It depends. From my experience as a golfer, if there is no snow on the ground and we get a late cold snap, there will be a lot of dead grass. Not sure about the gardens.
 

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Trade winds.

I also didn't say this is the strongest ever. It's among the top 5. Latest figures have it at 5th, just behind '65, but that could be upgraded when new numbers come in. The three strongest since 1950 were '82, '97 and '14.

If you look at the Oceanic Nino Index, there doesn't appear to be a trend over time.
Trade winds, and what causes the trade winds to have a bigger effect? Higher temperatures.. a basic lesson in physics.

The warmer land masses, from the sun heating up land masses, as the sun rays are hotter these days because ozone layer depleted due to higher CO2 emissions and methane emissions (yes from our love of beef, watch cowspiracy on Netflix).

So warmer land masses causes rising air, cool air rushes in to replace that vacuum and it keeps cycling. The hotter land masses takes longer to cool, so more hot air rising, plus as the air rises up, the higher up you go its suppose to cool down but now, it takes longer to cool as temperatures are higher, so at say 30k feet where it once was 10 C, it is now say 15 C. So it perpetuates the jet streams and the El Nino.

And I agree carbon tax directed at polluting companies only increases consumers costs. Because the corporation are just going to push the costs down to the final consumers. They do not absorb it themselves.
 
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