Poilievre backs banning trans women from women's sports, change rooms and bathrooms

[Leimonis]

I would never set foot in the place. Pretty simple solution.

Just because in the past it might have been used by a person with vagina? I’m trying to understand the logic

 

[richaceg]

It requires physical strength, but a well trained woman (and she would be for these sports), can and will perform on par with a man. Infact, we have female fighter jet pilots who go through higher G-forces and do just as well as men. Infact, there have been studies on this topic.

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/motorsport/no-reason-why-women-cant-compete-f1-says-major-study

No, When it comes to sports and competition that requires strength, agility and endurance, male and female are not equal...you don't even need "studies" to prove it.... there are no shortcuts to "level the playing field" in sports....biological males will dominate female sports...period. there is no amount of study will debunk that... there maybe one or 2 women that can compete in male sports, but to say they will dominate? no they won't...Serena williams don't even think he would rank top 100 in male rankings and she's the GOAT female tennis player...can a woman do good in physical sports among men? they can sure....will they dominate? again...NO...A man, will dominate a female sports that requires physical attributes... Heck Trevor Ariza (NBA) would be WNBA MVP for the next 5 seasons if they let him play in WNBA....and he's not even all star material....
Here a regular "lady" dominating her "peers"...

 

[Mr.Gr33k]

No, When it comes to sports and competition that requires strength, agility and endurance, male and female are not equal...you don't even need "studies" to prove it.... there are no shortcuts to "level the playing field" in sports....biological males will dominate female sports...period. there is no amount of study will debunk that... there maybe one or 2 women that can compete in male sports, but to say they will dominate? no they won't...Serena williams don't even think he would rank top 100 in male rankings and she's the GOAT female tennis player...can a woman do good in physical sports among men? they can sure....will they dominate? again...NO...A man, will dominate a female sports that requires physical attributes... Heck Trevor Ariza (NBA) would be WNBA MVP for the next 5 seasons if they let him play in WNBA....and he's not even all star material....
Here a regular "lady" dominating her "peers"...

Serena Williams wouldn't even dominate women's sport if she wasn't taking performance enhancing drugs that were supposedly an exemption because of her health condition aka legal cheating

 

[richaceg]

Serena Williams wouldn't even dominate women's sport if she wasn't taking performance enhancing drugs that were supposedly an exemption because of her health condition aka legal cheating

and Serena Williams with 5000 mg of steroids would still not get into top 10 male rankings...

 

[richaceg]

Depends on the sport. What type of strength or endurance do you need? So if you are talking soccer, tennis or MMA, then you are correct, men and women cannot play equally. If it is F1, they can. Blanket statements are idiotic.

So tell me when was the last time a female champion dominated F1? It isn't a blanket statement...it's a fact...sadly you try to avoid the real topic...male and female aren't equal when competition requires physical attributes....Chess would be a possibility but even that male dominates....

 

[richaceg]

That is the second question you should ask. The first question is - Tell me the last time a female F1 driver was treated the same as a male F1 driver?

So you're saying F1 is mysoginists?

 

[richaceg]

Oh very much. It is a VERY male dominated sport. Forget drivers, how many females do you see in the pit crews? Very few to none. It is changing though, especially in the factory where there are a lot more women in engineering, software and design.

It's like saying because there's not a lot of bricklayers are women it's a mysoginistic trade...pit drivers require a lot of heavy lifting, it requires speed, how many women do you see in the NBA, NFL? Just because you don't see women in the environment all of a sudden it's mysoginistic....that's dumb...

 

[richaceg]

Pit crews don't require a lot of heavy lifting, as they have machinery to do it. Women work in factories, in assembly lines. Women work in mines. Women work as combat soldiers in the military. So they can work as pit crew, and if they don't it points to the male dominated culture in F1.

And NBA and NFL are physical sports where men and women cannot compete equally, so it isn't a relevant comparison. That is why when we do see women in the NBA, we see them in the WNBA. Such a separation is not required for F1.

yes it does...sure women work in factories, assembly lines, women work in mines, work in the army....you know the ratio? between men : women in these line of work? it's Male dominated...just like education nursing cosmetics are female dominated....hey, if you don't get it you don't get it...don't sweat on it...

 

[roddermac]

It's like saying because there's not a lot of bricklayers are women it's a mysoginistic trade...pit drivers require a lot of heavy lifting, it requires speed, how many women do you see in the NBA, NFL? Just because you don't see women in the environment all of a sudden it's mysoginistic....that's dumb...

It's mysoginistic to believe that only a biological women can bare children.

 

[The Oracle]

It depends.

Is it a contact sport like MMA, or one that requires feats of physical strength? Then makes sense to separate. Is it something like Formula 1, or Chess where physical strength does not matter? Then men and women can compete together.

I went through testing to discover what it takes to be a Formula One driver and I was left super impressed by just how fit, strong, and fast they have to be

Insider reporter Barnaby Lane put himself through a battery of tests to see if he is as fit as a Formula One driver.

www.businessinsider.com

Sorry you are once again factually incorrect..The fitness and strength requirements for Formula One driving exceed what Women are capable of doing to be competitive.

 

[richaceg]

Yeah, so we are not proposing pulling women off the street and putting them in an F1 car. We are talking about providing equal opportunities for women, so those who succeed, succeed. Those who don't, don't. Currently equal opportunities do not exist, and that was the purpose of the study I posted. And hey, no sweat. I know being dull, uninformed and unintelligent is par for the course for you, and fully expected when I engage in convos with you.

Yeah, we are not pulling women off the streets but how many do you think are involved in auto mechanic that are females? equal opportunity is right...and F1 hires the best of the best, that trade is dominated by male and pit stop requires speed and precision....not just for having a penis and vagina...for an application of 100 people trying to get into F1, how many do you think are females? You are basically asking for these firms to hire to fill a quota...

 

[richaceg]

Your assertion is based on an untrained man putting himself through F1 training where he isn't even talking about women? Meanwhile, I posted a study above, that states that when trained, there is nothing physical or psychological that prevents women from competing equally. I will take the word of the actual experts.

You missed the point of that study...."benchmark" Any women who would exel in the practice would achieve the benchmark with great training. Just like a women could pass the Army training...will it be somewhere, a woman could dominate? no it won't...F1 isn't just about sitting and stirring a racing car....reaction time, endurance, muscle memory etc etc...and yeah, women aren't ruled out to join the racing game...ask Danica...

 

[Leimonis]

Yeah, we are not pulling women off the streets but how many do you think are involved in auto mechanic that are females? equal opportunity is right...and F1 hires the best of the best, that trade is dominated by male and pit stop requires speed and precision....not just for having a penis and vagina...for an application of 100 people trying to get into F1, how many do you think are females? You are basically asking for these firms to hire to fill a quota...

Even more interesting question is why women are playing in separate category in chess. Presumably, brains should be the same. I recall an explanation that a lot more boys are striving to be good at chess wish results in a bigger pool of capable male chess players which in turn results in a situation where best male players are so much better than females that females don’t even play with them to keep it fair.

 

[richaceg]

They dont have to "dominate" anything. We are not talking about enabling female domination in F1. We are talking about providing equal opportunities. I know more about F1 and the related engineering than you do, so I know it is not just about steering a car. It is more about building women up from the initial stages of karting. Encouraging them, providing appropriate training, cultivating a welcoming atmosphere, providing sponsorships etc., that will ultimately help them succeed.

What are you even talking about dude...you are solely dwelling on F1 to win an argument you are clearly losing....LOL....biological male shouldn't be competing in women's sports and women won't be able to compete in men's sports....even Danica Patrick, Serena Williams debunk this....nobody is saying we don't encourage women to compete in sports, get sponsorships....it's a defeating purpose to compete in male dominated sports vs. Male....they won't get recognition if they are losing, they won't get sponsors....and you support biological males to compete in their sports?

 

[richaceg]

Are you just pretending to be slow or were you born like this? The only one losing the argument is you because you cant even keep track of where we started and what we are discussing.

There is no men's sports or women's sports. It is just sports. Soccer is soccer. Tennis is tennis. The only reason we separate the male and female divisions in certain sports is due to the obvious strength requirements.

I said in my very first post that IT DEPENDS. It depends when women and men should be allowed to compete together, and when they shouldn't. In sports like soccer, tennis, MMA or weightlifting there is a clear strength requirement that prevents women and men from competing together.

I said however if it is Formula 1, then women and men can compete together, because it is proven via studies that strength and endurance requirements are not holding women back. The only thing holding them back is the lack of sponsorships, representation in karting, training and so on. So it is important we provide equal opportunities for them, so they can succeed. And you are sitting here rambling incoherently.

Obviously you are not getting it...I never said, women can't compete in F1 or racing...it's that they won't excel vs. male counterparts....no the studies you brought up only states they can pass the benchmarks in order to compete....and I agree they can, but who would want to sponsor someone who are "good enough"? sponsors want to sponsor a winner...you're the one rambling here buddy....you even went out of your way and also include pit stop workers which was dumb....hey if you don't get it, you don't get it.

 

[squeezer]

I would never set foot in the place. Pretty simple solution.

So you would never step foot into Yorkdale Mall? LOL Let's say you do and you get that urge to piss. I'm going to assume you are over 55 and you know when that feeling to piss hits, you don't exactly have that control of when you were in your 20's so what will you do. Wear Depends so you don't have to go into the public washroom.

I had to use it a few weeks ago. What killed me was a I had to go into the stall of a hottie walking out. I worried that she created a smell because it would ruin my belief that hot women don't shit and fart. Luckily the stall smelled like roses. Then once I came out I had to wash my hands. On one side I had a Muslim woman wearing a hijab and on the other side, I had some burly biker-type dude who just kept looking down like he was in fear. HAHAHAHAHA....

 

[Not getting younger]

I am not. I am trying to point out why your statements are not logical.

You'd know why if you read the article I posted. For the following reasons:

The cost of competing is also a major concern, with investors and sponsors often reluctant to back female drivers early in their careers. Other barriers outlined by the study include no tailored training available to female drivers; persistent doubts over women’s ability to drive fast; less track time; fewer role models, and a culture that’s either ‘unwelcoming or inappropriate’. As a result female drivers tend to drop out of motorsport within one to five years, while men’s careers are more likely to last more than 12 years.

You could apply the same rule to anything. Ask yourself. Why does India with a population of 1.4B, and an average age of 28, is able to do fuck all in the Olympics, but excels in cricket (including women's cricket)? It is because of culture, funding, training facilities, sponsorships, role models (some of the greatest cricketers are Indians), and so on.

You enable and encourage people, excellence will follow.

Golf?
While I don’t know the answer how do the women’s cricket teams fare when competing against men?

Baseball?


F1 which is largely a test of endurance and reaction times. Women are way behind on RTs. I see this first hand at work. Doesn’t mean they are less capable, it just means they are slower to react.

A comparative study of visual and auditory reaction times on the basis of gender and physical activity levels of medical first year students

Reaction time (RT) is a measure of the response to a stimulus. RT plays a very important role in our lives as its practical implications may be of great consequences. Factors that can affect the average human RT include age, sex, left or right hand, central ...

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

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^^^^ that alone would Im pretty sure make a huge difference in many sports that don’t involve contact or pure strength. Like getting off starting blocks, table tennis, badminton ( maybe) and far more

Then there is hand eye coordination. Again, females score significantly lower.

https://www.jcdr.net/articles/PDF/17430/59208_CE[Ra1]_F[SK]_PF1(AB_KM)_PFA(SS)_PB(JY_SHU)_PN(SHU).pdf

 

[onomatopoeia]

So tell me when was the last time a female champion dominated F1? It isn't a blanket statement...it's a fact...sadly you try to avoid the real topic...male and female aren't equal when competition requires physical attributes....Chess would be a possibility but even that male dominates....

Lella Lombardi is the only woman to score in the Formula 1 World Championship.

At the 1975 Spanish Grand Prix, Lombardi, who qualified 24th on the starting grid, was in 6th place. two laps down when the race was red flagged after 29 laps, (of 75 scheduled). Lombardi was credited with one-half of one World Championship point, as the race ended before half of the laps had been completed.

 

[onomatopoeia]

 

[bazokajoe]

So you would never step foot into Yorkdale Mall? LOL Let's say you do and you get that urge to piss. I'm going to assume you are over 55 and you know when that feeling to piss hits, you don't exactly have that control of when you were in your 20's so what will you do. Wear Depends so you don't have to go into the public washroom.

I had to use it a few weeks ago. What killed me was a I had to go into the stall of a hottie walking out. I worried that she created a smell because it would ruin my belief that hot women don't shit and fart. Luckily the stall smelled like roses. Then once I came out I had to wash my hands. On one side I had a Muslim woman wearing a hijab and on the other side, I had some burly biker-type dude who just kept looking down like he was in fear. HAHAHAHAHA....

Why would I go to Yorkdale Mall when I live in the Niagara Region? Plenty of malls and stores I need down here.
See, simple solution.