Israel at war

Valcazar

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My understanding is that Bibi's government is already extremely unpopular.

I don't think the war is being "persecuted in a bloodthirsty manner". I think the war is being persecuted in the only way it can be if Hamas is going to be removed. I also think that Labour will persecute the war in the same way. My issue is the nutty extremist rhetoric from Bibi's cabinet and the suggestion that the Israelis might start to settle Gaza.
If you think the war is going to be prosecuted the exact same way, then what pressure is there to apply?

See above.
At this point I don't think I follow what you think is going to happen.
Are you just positing that eventually Bibi will lose an election and people will come along who will conduct the war in the exact same manner but without some of the same rhetoric and this will somehow magically lead to a two one state solution? (Sorry, didn't notice the typo there.)

You said this:
I think Israel and the west are also going to pressure for the total abolition of UNWRA and the termination of the extended definition of "refugee" in the Palestinian context in an effort to normalize Palestinian-Israeli relations and then push for a 1-state solution with pressure on Israel to remove far right zionist elements from the cabinet.


So Bibi and the West get rid of UNWRA and then push for a 1-state solution but pushing for this 1-state solution will result in the right wing government that wants a one state solution leaving the cabinet.
This "pressure on Israel" for purging the right wing zionist elements is going to come from... where exactly?
How does getting rid of UNWRA help with any of this?

I just don't see how any of this connects up with what's actually happening right now.
 
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mandrill

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If you think the war is going to be prosecuted the exact same way, then what pressure is there to apply?
At this point I don't think I follow what you think is going to happen.
Are you just positing that eventually Bibi will lose an election and people will come along who will conduct the war in the exact same manner but without some of the same rhetoric and this will somehow magically lead to a two state solution?
Not sure about the 2-state solution.

You said this:
I think Israel and the west are also going to pressure for the total abolition of UNWRA and the termination of the extended definition of "refugee" in the Palestinian context in an effort to normalize Palestinian-Israeli relations and then push for a 1-state solution with pressure on Israel to remove far right zionist elements from the cabinet.


So Bibi and the West get rid of UNWRA and then push for a 1-state solution but pushing for this 1-state solution will result in the right wing government that wants a one state solution leaving the cabinet.
This "pressure on Israel" for purging the right wing zionist elements is going to come from... where exactly?
How does getting rid of UNWRA help with any of this?

I just don't see how any of this connects up with what's actually happening right now.
Either Labour or Bibi's coalition will wipe out Hamas and likely re incorporate Gaza back into Israel. Labour will tone down the wacko zionist rhetoric.
 

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You said this:
I think Israel and the west are also going to pressure for the total abolition of UNWRA and the termination of the extended definition of "refugee" in the Palestinian context in an effort to normalize Palestinian-Israeli relations and then push for a 1-state solution with pressure on Israel to remove far right zionist elements from the cabinet.


So Bibi and the West get rid of UNWRA and then push for a 1-state solution but pushing for this 1-state solution will result in the right wing government that wants a one state solution leaving the cabinet.
This "pressure on Israel" for purging the right wing zionist elements is going to come from... where exactly?
How does getting rid of UNWRA help with any of this?

I just don't see how any of this connects up with what's actually happening right now.
The one state solution is in place right now as there is no state of Palestine, just apartheid Israel.
What Netanyahu wants is to eliminate any chance of losing the demographic battle to the 5 million Palestinian refugees being represented by the UNRWA.

The issue is that they have already lost the demographic battle, even with the genocide there are more Palestinians in the one state Israel than Jews.
That leaves Netanyahu pushing to ethnically cleanse Gaza with a last push on the one million refugees presently in Rafah and about to come under attack.

The attack on Rafah may finally be too much for the west to back, even among zionists like Biden.
 
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Valcazar

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Either Labour or Bibi's coalition will wipe out Hamas and likely re incorporate Gaza back into Israel. Labour will tone down the wacko zionist rhetoric.
What are you basing this on other than wishcasting and what does "pressure from the West" have to do with it?
 

mandrill

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What are you basing this on other than wishcasting and what does "pressure from the West" have to do with it?
Hamas is toast. Israel has Gaza, unless Egypt moves in (see above).

Bibi is extremely unpopular. He has already turned down 2-state and I suspect Labour will do the same.

WHAT pressure from the west?!
 

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Saudi Arabia warns Israel of "very serious repercussions" for storming Rafah

Saudi Arabia's foreign ministry warned Saturday of "very serious repercussions of storming and targeting" the city of Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip.

"The Kingdom affirms its categorical rejection and strong condemnation of their forcible deportation, and renews its demand for an immediate ceasefire," the ministry said in a statement.

Remember: Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has directed Israel's military to plan for the “evacuation of the population” from Rafah, meaning an estimated 1.3 million people, many of whom were already displaced from other parts of the enclave and say they have nowhere to go.

Call for UN meeting: The Saudi ministry said targeting Rafah amounts to a violation of international law and "confirms the need for an urgent convening of the UN Security Council to prevent Israel from causing an imminent humanitarian disaster."
 
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