blah...blah...calling people trolls when you've lost another argument tripping over your own hypocrisy. Same old desperation and tactics.
If Liberals don't have pharmacare bill by March 1, pact with NDP will be void: Singh
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Depends on what they think the breaks are going to be.
Right now they are polling to win about 26 seats... which is pretty much no change.
But if they think Trudeau is dropping hard and they can frame it as "he brought it on himself" for not following through and because people are mad at him they just agree with that narrative, the NDP could pick up a lot of disgruntled libs and get on the high end of their current polling, maybe even more. Say 40s to even 60s.
In a miracle world where things just completely collapse for the Libs, maybe they roll in with 2011 numbers (unlikely if the BQ doesn't collapse and there seems to be no sign they would).
So if they know they aren't gonna be the government either way and they don't feel like they got much for this deal this time, why not go for a better position in opposition. Hell, if the Libs implode completely, the NDP could end up official opposition again.
All that said, if people resent the early election, and if PP actually campaigning instead of taking pot shots from outside results in people worrying or freaking out about what Con rule would look like, maybe people go flooding back to the Libs in an anti-Con vote and the NDP (having a much weaker regional base) drops further.
I think Singh had to do something. Trudeau is weak right now and if the NDP doesn't push for some stuff they want then what are they even in the agreement for?
I think the risk of it backfiring massively for the NDP is rather low, they are more likely to end up with about as many seats as they have now than drop massively. The upside of more seats or even official opposition probably looks good - and "we got the Libs to give us shit we need" is a good reason to not pull the trigger and try to ride things into a better situation next year as "coalition is smart and we got things done".
So why not make this move and see what you can get out of it?
I don't see how Singh would get PR out of it.
It would take ages to come up with a PR system people would get behind, and if you just say "PR" and accept whatever nonsense the Libs threw together in a month or two, it would probably be awful and also badly received by the public.
If you give enough time for a real system to be worked out, the fixed date for the election shows up and all your leverage is gone.
It'll never happen as it would require the party ruling to essentially make it near impossible to do so again with a majority.
If there were somehow an NDP/Bloc controlled minority maybe....
interesting, because the last poll I saw had them at 23%. Basically right beside the Liberals.
I guess he's lucky he has members who are actually good in their ridings. I can't see how they picked this idiot to be their leader. But then again Trudeau and Ford were also picked to be leaders.
interesting, because the last poll I saw had them at 23%. Basically right beside the Liberals
Look at some provincial and federal electoral maps. But also where are Singh and Layton from? Or for that matter O’Toole and Lewis?
This is Ontario 2014. So we think N Ontario are far left or commies?
2014 Ontario general election - Wikipedia
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"The NDP are kinda boned."
That's what happens when you make a partnership deal with a corrupt moron.
it is impossible for Singh to ever claim any moral superiority vs. Justin Trudeau
if he tries, the obvious question is why did you prop up a corrupt govt ?
instead he can only claim that a corrupt Justin Trudeau broke his agreement with Dead meat Singh.
the obvious question is why did you do a deal with a corrupt Justin Trudeau ?
why did you believe a promise from any corrupt person has any value ?
why did you did you prop up a corrupt govt for an empty promise ?
there is no way to detach himself from Justin Trudeau's corruption
Singh painted himself into a corner
I wasn't very clear, but the danger is, if they pull an election with the current polling numbers and they hold, they could take the blame for bringing in a Cons majority from some of those on the left, in particular those who think having Pierre Poulet with a majority would be worse than being sent to hell, or going to a Justin Beiber concert. They would probably think, better to wait and hope for the numbers to reverse, anything to avoid giving a majority to "those people"
But by the same token, he has an “out”. I’ve listened to Canadians , and have decided we can longer support a government that ( rhyme off some things) its own citizens.
What Canadians surveyed think about the timing of the next federal election
Nearly one in two Canadians would prefer the next federal election take place before 2025, according to a recent survey conducted by Nanos Research. When it comes to their preference for the timing of the next national vote, 46 per cent of survey respondents indicated they either wanted the next...
Consider also.
when was the last time the Cons or Libs got 50% of the popular vote. Aka a good number of people who are not on the right, want them flushed too.
Will he?
who knows. But if anyone thinks giving them an ultimatum he can’t back down from and just weeks to put something massive together and just days after tabling election reform……
Is an accident, not sure what to say. What is it woke and enlightened Lefties say? Be that this or the GTAs massive growth, or PPs freight train? Everything happens for a reason? Maybe the reason…Is them.
It’s also worth noting all the denials and what not from the diehards the past few weeks. The writing is on the wall whether Singh plays it safe or goes for it. “Fear and greed”
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It's because Singh is even more morally corrupt than JT. It was very obvious when he first became the NDP leader.
I think that's the trade off and the risk, absolutely.
I just think that even if they get blamed for the election, they won't lose that many seats.
It looks to me like they think the downside risk is lose 5-10 seats, upside is gain 10-20 and maybe even catch lightning in a bottle, and the most likely "bad" result is them sticking around the number of seats they have now.
I do think that if Trudeau looks like he is giving them what they want, the NDP will wait it out for the year so any Con majority can be blamed fully on Justin.
Well, yeah, I suppose the seats they have are pretty solid short of a massive shift.
To NDP supporters he's one of the more successful.
He's managed to use the minority status to pressure the libs to do dental and $10/day day care.
Those are big wins for the NDP.
Now he's still making use of the power of his position.
That's way more than PeePee has ever accomplished in his entire political career.
So did 80% of the country.
The use of the Emergency Act wasn't and still isn't clearly illegal, it was a debatable use but not clearly wrong.
Lightning in a bottle and FPtP.
Rae basically won by acccident.
The first poll I found says 66%. I have seen polls that put support of the anti vaxxers at less than 20%.
Majority of Canadians favour Emergencies Act invocation, poll shows
Sixty-six per cent of respondents either supported or somewhat supported the government’s precedent-setting decision to invoke the Emergencies Act in response to the convoy protests
www.theglobeandmail.com
For someone that howls about the ICJ so much, and very very very um…unclear wording.
Do you know how to spell hypocrisy? Hypocrite. Especially given the wording is very clear and is very strong?
Do you ever pause to think for 1 second?
Face plant number 1B 105.
