Israel at war

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Do you know how stupid you sound saying that? You just admitted that Hamas is fighting a war that they cannot possibly win. All that they are doing is leading the Gazans to the slaughter which was an inevitability from the very start.

So stupid of Hamas to attack on Oct.7, in that case. Don't you agree?

If Hamas had surrendered on Jan.1 how many fewer Gazans would have died. You are an accomplice in those deaths. You are supporting the genocide of Palestinians by Hamas.
Yes, we all know you think that if Hamas surrendered Israel could have properly raped the rest of Gaza with less fuss.

How old are those pics? What war did they come from? What country?

I need to ask because you've already admitted that you've posted pics that are years old trying to pass them off as current. As such, nobody can accept the pics you post at face value. That is the reputation that you have created for yourself.

Have you ever lied in the Politics Forum on TERB? Refusal to answer (AKA hiding under covers) is an admission that you have lied. Only guilty people plead the 5th.
You really should get yourself checked out.
When I post older photos they include the dates and are used to point out that the Israel's slaughter of Palestinians has been ongoing for a long, long time.
 

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Israel kills head of Hamas police's special forces in Rafah (msn.com)


AHamas police vehicle was struck in Gaza's southern city of Rafah on Wednesday evening in what Palestinian media reported as a targeted assassination by the IDF.

According to the reports, Hamas police's special forces head, Majdi Abd al-Aal, was killed in the suspected attack.

Israel has 'no plans' for minimizing Gazan casualties in Rafah
Israel has no concrete plans to minimize civilian deaths in Rafah in the case the IDF decides to launch an offensive into the southern Gaza city, CNN reported on Wednesday, citing a top Israeli military commander.

Brig.-Gen. Dan Goldfuss, commander of the 98th Division, reportedly said earlier this week that his division would work on evacuation plans "if and when" he is told to launch an invasion.

Palestinians at the site of a destroyed police car after it was hit from an Israeli airstrike in Rafah, on February 7, 2024 (credit: ATIA MOHAMMED/FLASH90)
CNN reported that the information divulged by Goldfuss was still relevant as of Wednesday afternoon.

Israel will 'coordinate with Egypt' on Rafah invasion
Earlier this week, an Israeli official said on Sunday that the IDF would coordinate with Egypt and seek ways of evacuating most of the displaced people northward ahead of any ground sweep of Rafah.


However, despite the steady flow of reports in recent weeks that the IDF would immediately take action with ground troops in Rafah, The Jerusalem Post has learned that such moves could still take time and significant negotiations.

Multiple sources have said that an IDF move in Rafah is not on the immediate horizon, even as Israel has made some progress in negotiations with Egypt over the issue.

United Nations Secretary-General Antonio Guterres said on Wednesday that he is "especially alarmed" by reports that the IDF intends to focus next on Rafah in Gaza.

"Such an action would exponentially increase what is already a humanitarian nightmare with untold regional consequences," Guterres told the 193-member UN General Assembly as he again called for an immediate humanitarian ceasefire and the unconditional release of all hostages.
 

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Likely the view of most arab countries in the Middle East, the Egyptians have put up huge fences to keep the Palestinians out.

'Hamas's hands are covered in Egypt's blood,' says Egyptian ex-MP

"The people of Gaza are paying the price for Hamas's stupidity."

Tawfik Okasha, an Egyptian media personality and former MP, heavily criticized Hamas over their actions on October 7 and the consequences that followed in an interview with KAN News on Tuesday.

When commenting on the current war, as well as the October 7 massacre, Okasha said, "I mourn for every death on the Israeli side and every death on the Palestinian side, but I do not mourn Hamas personnel that have been killed because they are a terror organization that has profited from the Palestinian issue. They are an organization that turned Egypt into a no man's land, and its hands are covered in the blood of Egypt. I will not forget it."

He continued in his criticism of the organization, saying, "Hamas corrupted the Palestinian cause as well as led to the loss of opportunities of reaching a two-state solution because of their uprising against the PA in 2007. Hamas profited from the fact that the Palestinian issue hasn't been solved and has harmed the Palestinian people in the most egregious ways.

"They orchestrated an attack on Israel on October 7 and used the same tactics and tools as ISIS and al-Qaeda," he continued, "The people of Gaza are paying the price for Hamas's stupidity."

He also criticized Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu over the war and his tenure as prime minister for multiple terms.

"Someone else that shares a big part of responsibility for the war is the Prime Minister of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu, who led multiple governments in Israel and has supported Hamas, as their presence allowed him to delay implementing a two-state solution."

Tawfik Okasha is an Egyptian media personality and former member of parliament who was expelled from the parliament eight years ago following a meeting he had with the then-Israeli ambassador to Egypt, Haim Koren.

He discussed his expulsion in the interview as well as his relationships with Israeli ambassadors.

"I want to tell you that I do not at all regret that I invited the Israeli ambassador to Egypt at the time, Haim Koren, to my home. Koren respected me, came to my house, and it was a good meeting."

"Ambassador Koren is not my only connection with my Israeli brothers," he said. "The current Israeli ambassador in Egypt, Amira Oron is also a dear friend," he said.

 

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A Look Inside Hamas’s Well-Equipped Tunnels Shows How Its Leaders Evade Capture, Conceal Hostages (msn.com)


KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip—Beneath the rubble of a bombed-out residential neighborhood in Khan Younis lies a sprawling, subterranean complex built to shelter senior Hamas leaders and, for a time, used to hold Israeli hostages grabbed by the militant group, Israeli officers said.



An access shaft hidden in an unassuming family home leads to a sophisticated underground warren with several kitchens, fitted out with gas stoves and refrigerators, as well as sleeping quarters and bathrooms—one decorated with a mosaic of a tropical beachfront scene.

A metal-barred gate blocks the entrance to a chamber converted into a cell. Israeli investigators say forensic evidence, including DNA, indicates that at least 12 people kidnapped by the militants during their Oct. 7 assault on southern Israel were held in the cell or elsewhere in the complex.

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A Look Inside Hamas’s Well-Equipped Tunnels Shows How Its Leaders Evade Capture, Conceal Hostages© Provided by The Wall Street Journal
Hamas, which is designated as a terrorist organization by the U.S., the European Union and others, has constructed a vast underground network of tunnels, barracks, armories and other facilities beneath Gaza’s densely populated cities to hide its fighters, weapons and hostages from the Israeli forces hunting them.


Israel’s military says there are hundreds of miles of tunnels in Gaza. Some, like the one where hostages were kept, appear meant to house militants for long periods. Others are used to transport goods and people, and some are specifically designed to facilitate hit-and-run attacks.

This underground world has bedeviled Israel’s efforts to destroy Hamas, whose fighters poured into Israel and killed 1,200 people, mostly civilians, on Oct. 7—the deadliest day in Israel’s history. Tunnel warfare is treacherous and slow going, Israeli officers say.

As fighting has raged on the surface—with Israeli airstrikes and clashes between Hamas fighters and Israeli infantry and armored units—more than 27,000 people in Gaza have been killed, according to Palestinian health authorities. That number doesn’t distinguish between combatants and civilians.

Meanwhile, for the four months since the war started, Hamas’s senior leaders have managed to evade capture, conceal hostages and protect their fighting forces, primarily by making use of their extensive, hidden underground complexes, Israel’s military says.


The Wall Street Journal explored a tunnel complex below Khan Younis this week in a trip arranged by the Israeli military. The route to the scene was lined by piles of concrete and steel and empty, blown-out carcasses of buildings. Some had Hebrew graffiti, including memorials to fallen Israeli soldiers, scrawled on them.

In the middle of a devastated residential neighborhood, inside the hefty cement foundations of a destroyed house, was a narrow-arch structure—the gateway to an underground compound. The entire block had to be laid to rubble to get to it, said Brig. Gen. Dan Goldfus, who commands Israel’s 98th Paratroopers Division and is leading Israel’s fight in Khan Younis. “My soldiers fought to take this ground,” he said, pointing to ruins all around him.

He said Hamas defended the area with RPG and rifle fire, and by storming tanks and trying to place explosives on their hulls.


There are tunnel shafts all around Khan Younis, Goldfus said. “There is a shaft in every place you can find,” he said. “In the schools, in the mosques, in the supermarkets. Wherever you go there is a shaft going down into the underground world.”

The subterranean web under the neighborhood, in places 15 to 25 yards below the surface, appeared to have been abandoned with relative haste. Dishes remained in the sinks, blankets and mattresses littered the floors. A pink trash basket was filled with discarded medical supplies, including antibiotics and an antifungal cream.


Passageways were dark, dank, narrow and just high enough to pass through in a crouching position. Walls were reinforced with concrete and electrical cables snaked along the tunnels. Steps smoothed the descent underground.

After twists and turns, the tunnel opened into a living complex with tiled floors, walls and ceilings. The vaulted chambers had ceilings roughly the height of an ordinary apartment. Rooms were equipped with electric fans to deal with the stifling heat and humidity of the burrowed complex.


Scattered throughout the complex were empty plastic water bottles. Some passageways were blocked by sandbags made using flour sacks marked with the name and logo of the U.N. Relief and Works Agency, which provides aid to Palestinian refugees.

Living compartments had protective metal doors at their entrances. Their installation, according to Daphné Richemond-Barak, a professor at Israel’s Reichman University and author of a book on underground combat, would be an impediment to Israeli attempts to use drones, robots or dogs to help clear the underground maze.


Richemond-Barak said Hamas’s decision to hold hostages underground has made it harder for Israel’s military to fight in the tunnels and destroy them. “Hostages fulfill a double function—as a bargaining chip and as human shields,” she said.

Military officials say their underground operations now are focused on applying pressure on Hamas to force it to accept terms more favorable to Israel in a deal to return the hostages.

“Our kidnapped civilians held here by Hamas, we will get them either in a direct manner, or an indirect manner,” said Goldfus. “We have to create the leverage for our leaders to bring back the kidnapped.”

Three of the hostages who the military says were held in the complex visited by the Journal, including a 16-year-old girl named Sahar Kalderon, were returned to Israel in November as part of a prisoner-exchange and cease-fire deal.

Sahar, her younger brother and their father, Ofer, were kidnapped from Kibbutz Nir Oz on Oct. 7.

Members of the Kalderon family didn’t respond to requests for comment.

Sahar told Israel’s Channel 12 there was little food in the tunnels she was kept in, she never saw daylight and her guards taunted her saying Netanyahu had abandoned them.

“I felt like I was forgotten,” she said.

Write to Dov Lieber at dov.lieber@wsj.com
 

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A Look Inside Hamas’s Well-Equipped Tunnels Shows How Its Leaders Evade Capture, Conceal Hostages (msn.com)


KHAN YOUNIS, Gaza Strip—Beneath the rubble of a bombed-out residential neighborhood in Khan Younis lies a sprawling, subterranean complex built to shelter senior Hamas leaders and, for a time, used to hold Israeli hostages grabbed by the militant group, Israeli officers said.



An access shaft hidden in an unassuming family home leads to a sophisticated underground warren with several kitchens, fitted out with gas stoves and refrigerators, as well as sleeping quarters and bathrooms—one decorated with a mosaic of a tropical beachfront scene.

A metal-barred gate blocks the entrance to a chamber converted into a cell. Israeli investigators say forensic evidence, including DNA, indicates that at least 12 people kidnapped by the militants during their Oct. 7 assault on southern Israel were held in the cell or elsewhere in the complex.

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A Look Inside Hamas’s Well-Equipped Tunnels Shows How Its Leaders Evade Capture, Conceal Hostages

A Look Inside Hamas’s Well-Equipped Tunnels Shows How Its Leaders Evade Capture, Conceal Hostages© Provided by The Wall Street Journal
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A Look Inside Hamas’s Well-Equipped Tunnels Shows How Its Leaders Evade Capture, Conceal Hostages

A Look Inside Hamas’s Well-Equipped Tunnels Shows How Its Leaders Evade Capture, Conceal Hostages© Provided by The Wall Street Journal
Hamas, which is designated as a terrorist organization by the U.S., the European Union and others, has constructed a vast underground network of tunnels, barracks, armories and other facilities beneath Gaza’s densely populated cities to hide its fighters, weapons and hostages from the Israeli forces hunting them.


Israel’s military says there are hundreds of miles of tunnels in Gaza. Some, like the one where hostages were kept, appear meant to house militants for long periods. Others are used to transport goods and people, and some are specifically designed to facilitate hit-and-run attacks.

This underground world has bedeviled Israel’s efforts to destroy Hamas, whose fighters poured into Israel and killed 1,200 people, mostly civilians, on Oct. 7—the deadliest day in Israel’s history. Tunnel warfare is treacherous and slow going, Israeli officers say.

As fighting has raged on the surface—with Israeli airstrikes and clashes between Hamas fighters and Israeli infantry and armored units—more than 27,000 people in Gaza have been killed, according to Palestinian health authorities. That number doesn’t distinguish between combatants and civilians.

Meanwhile, for the four months since the war started, Hamas’s senior leaders have managed to evade capture, conceal hostages and protect their fighting forces, primarily by making use of their extensive, hidden underground complexes, Israel’s military says.


The Wall Street Journal explored a tunnel complex below Khan Younis this week in a trip arranged by the Israeli military. The route to the scene was lined by piles of concrete and steel and empty, blown-out carcasses of buildings. Some had Hebrew graffiti, including memorials to fallen Israeli soldiers, scrawled on them.

In the middle of a devastated residential neighborhood, inside the hefty cement foundations of a destroyed house, was a narrow-arch structure—the gateway to an underground compound. The entire block had to be laid to rubble to get to it, said Brig. Gen. Dan Goldfus, who commands Israel’s 98th Paratroopers Division and is leading Israel’s fight in Khan Younis. “My soldiers fought to take this ground,” he said, pointing to ruins all around him.

He said Hamas defended the area with RPG and rifle fire, and by storming tanks and trying to place explosives on their hulls.


There are tunnel shafts all around Khan Younis, Goldfus said. “There is a shaft in every place you can find,” he said. “In the schools, in the mosques, in the supermarkets. Wherever you go there is a shaft going down into the underground world.”

The subterranean web under the neighborhood, in places 15 to 25 yards below the surface, appeared to have been abandoned with relative haste. Dishes remained in the sinks, blankets and mattresses littered the floors. A pink trash basket was filled with discarded medical supplies, including antibiotics and an antifungal cream.


Passageways were dark, dank, narrow and just high enough to pass through in a crouching position. Walls were reinforced with concrete and electrical cables snaked along the tunnels. Steps smoothed the descent underground.

After twists and turns, the tunnel opened into a living complex with tiled floors, walls and ceilings. The vaulted chambers had ceilings roughly the height of an ordinary apartment. Rooms were equipped with electric fans to deal with the stifling heat and humidity of the burrowed complex.


Scattered throughout the complex were empty plastic water bottles. Some passageways were blocked by sandbags made using flour sacks marked with the name and logo of the U.N. Relief and Works Agency, which provides aid to Palestinian refugees.

Living compartments had protective metal doors at their entrances. Their installation, according to Daphné Richemond-Barak, a professor at Israel’s Reichman University and author of a book on underground combat, would be an impediment to Israeli attempts to use drones, robots or dogs to help clear the underground maze.


Richemond-Barak said Hamas’s decision to hold hostages underground has made it harder for Israel’s military to fight in the tunnels and destroy them. “Hostages fulfill a double function—as a bargaining chip and as human shields,” she said.

Military officials say their underground operations now are focused on applying pressure on Hamas to force it to accept terms more favorable to Israel in a deal to return the hostages.

“Our kidnapped civilians held here by Hamas, we will get them either in a direct manner, or an indirect manner,” said Goldfus. “We have to create the leverage for our leaders to bring back the kidnapped.”

Three of the hostages who the military says were held in the complex visited by the Journal, including a 16-year-old girl named Sahar Kalderon, were returned to Israel in November as part of a prisoner-exchange and cease-fire deal.

Sahar, her younger brother and their father, Ofer, were kidnapped from Kibbutz Nir Oz on Oct. 7.

Members of the Kalderon family didn’t respond to requests for comment.

Sahar told Israel’s Channel 12 there was little food in the tunnels she was kept in, she never saw daylight and her guards taunted her saying Netanyahu had abandoned them.

“I felt like I was forgotten,” she said.

Write to Dov Lieber at dov.lieber@wsj.com
Hamas announced a peace deal that would allow all the hostages to be returned.
Netanyahu said no, he want's a final solution.
Then he killed 31 more hostages.

Israel has killed 1/5 of them so far.

 

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Israel’s war on Gaza ‘over the top’ – Biden’s comments in full
He's in a presidential campaign. He has to appear balanced.

But in private he's saying for Israel to hurry up and finish the job. It's what all the Western democracies, Jordan and the Saudis want as well.

He's saying "Eliminate the terrorists. Make them surrender."
 

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He's in a presidential campaign. He has to appear balanced.

But in private he's saying for Israel to hurry up and finish the job. It's what all the Western democracies, Jordan and the Saudis want as well.

He's saying "Eliminate the terrorists. Make them surrender."
Netanyahu is a terrorist, so you think he should be 'eliminated'?



 
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He's in a presidential campaign. He has to appear balanced.

But in private he's saying for Israel to hurry up and finish the job. It's what all the Western democracies, Jordan and the Saudis want as well.

He's saying "Eliminate the terrorists. Make them surrender."
Confusing imagination with reality.
 
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