More charges going to the ICJ.
this time Biden and Trudeau (or at least the US and UK) are listed.
this time Biden and Trudeau (or at least the US and UK) are listed.
INTERNATIONAL COURT OF JUSTICE: LATEST
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Un statement does t mention Israel....looks like they can't even say its Israel's fault....hamas is the problem...
You need to stop taking the provisional measures in isolation from the order.
That's not how to read things, no matter how much you want it to be.
You made an unequivocally clear statement: "The hostages are not important." You can't walk that back.
Clearly what you are not saying, is that you are not saying that Hamas is disregarding the ICJ ruling. Instead, what you ARE saying is that when the ICJ does not tell Israel to STOP, it means that they are telling Israel to STOP.
You are so vehement on making sure Israel complies with your (ludicrous) interpretation of the ICJ ruling, you are totally silent on Hamas not complying with the ICJ ruling. The first time you spoke up about the hostages was when you said, and I quote, The hostages are not important.
You are showing us who you are and we believe you.
No, the Provisional Measures are the orders filed with urgency.
They are the important part.
You need to read the full ruling.
And you should apologize for quoting point 78 without acknowledging the Provisional Measures stated in point 86.
A provisional measure of protection is the term that the International Court of Justice (ICJ, World Court) uses to describe a procedure "roughly equivalent"[1] to an interim order (which can be either a temporary restraining order or a temporary directive order) in national legal systems. The order has also been termed in the press as preliminary measures.[2] The carrying out of the procedure is termed indicating the provisional measure of protection.[1] Requests for the indication of provisional measures of protection take priority over all other cases before the ICJ due to their urgency.[1]
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The important part is the 'Provisional Measures', they take priority over others due to 'urgency'.
They say Israel is to prevent killing Palestinians in Gaza.
You've got it back assward.
A direct and unequivocal order takes precedent over a "provisional" ruling that could be withdrawn. Returning the hostages was commanded to be done immediately and unconditionally. Immediately and unconditionally means the ICJ is saying that that order is more urgent. You should try reading that part.
Where in the ICJ ruling were their orders that were higher precedent then the 'urgen't Provisional Measures?
Quote them.
You were the first to claim that a Provisional ruling is more urgent than one that isn't provisional. Step right up to the plate with your evidence.
IMO, as I've already given you with a lexicology lesson, something that's "provisional" is not written in stone. It's a qualified ruling depending on what may or may not happen. It's rather nebulous and could evolve different ways. They may have to invoke certain sanctions, bet then again, they may not have to.
The ICJ's ruling, however stated that there was no question that the hostages were taken by Hamas and are still being held. The ICJ ruling says that they already have all the information they need and made an order on the spot based on that information. They don't have to wait to see how things play out. They are saying that they know right now what needs to be done. (Mind you, one thing that may change things is that if all the hostages are already dead. I wouldn't be surprised and neither would you. We both know that they are vicious, brutal vermin. But you'd just say that they IDF killed them using Hamas weaponry.)
You're arguing that getting a warning from a cop about speeding is a more serious matter than actually getting a ticket.
Anyways, I don't need your (anti-Semitic bias twisted) opinion, show us where a Provisional Measure is more urgent. You made that claim without substantiation and started this discussion and I challenge you to back up that claim.
I've explained my reasoning but all you are doing is repeating your claim over and over again without any substantiation.
OK. So you're sticking by your original statement in the first post that you said it, it is your now admitted opinion that:
Kautilya "The hostages are not important."
I'm not twisting or interpreting your statement. Those were your exact words.
Who made you the authority on what's more important? Who made you the arbiter? It seems like you're self appointed. A self-appointed arbiter who openly admits that he is not neutral in this conflict. He has taken sides. And we're supposed to believe you?
Another joke of a post by you.
Not only will you not read the ICJ ruling itself you won't even read the wiki posts stating that Provisional Measures are 'urgent'.
A provisional measure of protection is the term that the International Court of Justice (ICJ, World Court) uses to describe a procedure "roughly equivalent"[1] to an interim order (which can be either a temporary restraining order or a temporary directive order) in national legal systems. The order has also been termed in the press as preliminary measures.[2] The carrying out of the procedure is termed indicating the provisional measure of protection.[1] Requests for the indication of provisional measures of protection take priority over all other cases before the ICJ due to their urgency.[1]
These orders get to the top of the list of ICJ orders.
Your ignorance is astounding, its willful.
Israel will go to trial for genocide and once Biden is gone no leader will ever back Israel again.
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If 27,000 people were holding your 10 year old daughter hostage in their underground lair and threatening to kill her, would 27,000 still be greater than 1 to you?
Consider this an honesty and integrity examination.
I trust nothing that comes from you.
In the meantime, what is preventing Hamas from obeying a clear order from the ICJ, even if another order is more urgent. It's not a sequential thing where orders have to resolved in a certain order. The court ruled that the hostages must be returned immediately and unconditionally. It is not contingent on what Israel does or does not do.
Why is Hamas not obeying the court and returning the hostages? Do you feel that they are acting properly? If you have no problem with Hamas defying the court, then a precedent is being set that Israel can also defy the court.
Disgusting anti Christian hate. Racism is normalized under Zionism.
