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Frankfooter

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mandrill said:
Basket has never said any of things that you allege he says.

Again, you have little, sad imaginary battles in your head with people that don't match the far more sophisticated and reasonable things those people actually post on this board.
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'Sophisticated and reasonable'?

You refuse to read reports by HRW, Amnesty, B'tselem and the UN. You refused to read the charges laid at the ICJ and the full ruling by the ICJ.
You refuse to discuss any issues raised by internationally recognized sources and instead accuse everyone who is non Israeli of being 'Hamas supporters' and now claim your views are reasonable and sophisticated?

Your 'reasonable and sophisticated' response to every single report or direct video of war crimes, apartheid and genocide has been this:
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It's a war, Frankie. Not a game. Israel's got to do what it must.
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This is an admission that you support all war crimes, apartheid and now genocide as you think Israel has to 'do what it must'.
Instead all you gave in your defence is a veiled threat towards all human rights organization.

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Amnesty, HRW, UN, B''setlem actually are all 'pro Hamas'.
There will be a reckoning when this is all said and done.
Amnesty also supported the Russians in Ukraine btw.
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Sophisticated and reasonable?
 
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Frankfooter said:
Hamas are no more religious extremists than settlers...
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I agree. That's why unlike you, I condemn both. You on the other hand keep defending Hamas and freak out whenever anyone dare criticize their actions.

Their entire agenda as reiterated by Haniyeh last week is the elimination of the Jewish presence and installing am Islamic Caliphate. Of course in your ridiculous racist elitism, you refuse to even listen to what they want or even consider them worthy to criticize.


But you do know about the anti-immigrant views and antisemitic conspiracy theories of the white supremacists.
 
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Frankfooter said:
So the US can't stop one of the poorest nations in the world?
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China can push Iran and Iran is the Houthi's only backer. Most of China's oil traditionally passes through the Red Sea.
And I notice that it's yet another case where you feel Arabs are too far beneath you to criticize.

p.s. Why are you unwilling to discuss who the Houthis are and what they represent?
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And your own sources:
www.amnesty.org

Human rights in Yemen

Stay up to date on the state of human rights in Yemen with the latest research, campaigns and education material from Amnesty International.
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unipath-magazine.com

Watchdog Criticizes Houthi Human Rights Abuses - Unipath

A Yemeni human rights group condemned the Houthi militia for torturing more than 17,000 detainees since the militia took control of Sanaa in September 2014. In honor of the International Day of Victims of Enforced Disappearance, held in Vienna in August 2022, the Yemeni Organization for...
unipath-magazine.com unipath-magazine.com
www.hrw.org

World Report 2022: Rights Trends in Yemen

www.hrw.org www.hrw.org

And for some reason, you never seemed interested in discussing the 4 million refugees and 350,000 dead of the Yemeni fighting.
 
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basketcase said:
And Hamas is a religious extremist group. Groups like them have a massive problem with communists. This was seen in Afghanistan and Iran.

Frank's issues come from a few things. There's an anti-Western bias ignoring the cognitive dissonance of supporting groups that are against all the western rights he supports. Throw in a little bit of human nature wanting to cheer for the underdog. Add in some racial elitism that has him showing old school conspiracy theories about Jews while also treating Arabs as children who can't be accountable for their actions or be worth listening to. Finally he's the epitome of Dunning Kruger who thinks he way smarter than he is and therefore is afraid to even consider how inconsistent his views are, both to the values he claims to support but also compared to his own posts.
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We live in a world with more than fifty shades of grey (for most us that is). i agree a religious-oriented group like Hamas doesn't have any interest in Communism/Marxism. However in this conflict, Marxists and radical progressives view Hamas as the oppressed. The Israelis are the settler colonists which depending on your perspective is a black and white historical atrocity that needs to be rectified at all costs.
 
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mandrill said:
Earp, a "marxist" is a specific type of beast. "Marxists" are not necessarily pro Israel, or vice versa.

Being anti Israel attracts people who feel that the western governments are "unethical" and "unequitable" and improper in various poorly reasoned ways. They attract those who want perfect solutions and are impatient with anyone's else's ideas - i.e. Danmand and Frankie. The "anti climate change" movement feeds on the "tree hugger" subspecies of the same personality type. That's why Greta Thunberg has extended her grift to the pro Pali movement.

The anti Israel movement also attracts many expat Arabs, perhaps more reasonably.

I despise Trump and the GOP - although much of that is the vast Third World incompetence and corruption of the current GOP. But I support what Israel is currently doing in Gaza. And I'm not a "marxist". Neither is Frankie, from what I can see.

So put the comic books away and try and move up into Grown Ups World.
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I guess I should have expected an attack instead of an acknowledgement. Still, there's a conversation here if you can have one.

First off, Marxism isn't always a "specific type of beast". It's a manifestation of extreme idealism regarding how the world and society should be organized.

Second, I can't say a lot about danmand other than he expresses his views, there's an exchange and we move on. There's no stalking all over TERB with a white knight jumping into the discussion. It's all fairly respectful. I think our disagreements have mostly stemmed from are views on who had rightful agency in various matters around the world.
 
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danmand said:
Unfortunately, but not unexpectedly, Canada has sided with Israel and USA in fully supporting the war crimes and genocide. It will cost Canada dearly in reputation around the world.
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Maybe the shithole countries. Aside from France and Norway, pretty much every every major western democracy pulled their funding.
 
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Frankfooter said:
Inciting genocide.

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In your insanity do you have to pretend this Marco clown as an Israeli and part of their government or is this just you using any excuse to push your hate campaign?

BTW. You still refuse to accept Hamas statements genocidal statements and reject the that the ICJ explicitly ordered hamas to immediately release the hostages?
 
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Frankfooter said:
For now.

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1751480836682399772
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Can you provide context?

I think it's reasonable to remove an "aid NGO" that funnels money to a major terrorist group and facilitates its control of a power base of over 2M people.

And this idea that Palestinians are still "refugees" when their grandparents were forced out of their homes 75 years ago is dumb and simply gets in the way of finding a way forward.
 
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WyattEarp said:
I guess I should have expected an attack instead of an acknowledgement. Still, there's a conversation here if you can have one.

First off, Marxism isn't always a "specific type of beast". It's a manifestation of extreme idealism regarding how the world and society should be organized.

Second, I can't say a lot about danmand other than he expresses his views, there's an exchange and we move on. There's no stalking all over TERB with a white knight jumping into the discussion. It's all fairly respectful. I think our disagreements have mostly stemmed from are views on who had rightful agency in various matters around the world.
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There's this little thing you do when you call my attempts to have conversations with you "attacks".

And you're wrong about Marxism. If you want to call people "self righteous, overly idealistic, non-pragmatic, intolerant egalitarians", feel free. That's a nice, inclusive term that covers tree-huggers and pro Pali demo idiots alike. But Marxism is a specific something in particular.

It's like me calling MAGA Republicans "nazis". You can force a parallel, but they're not the same beast.
 
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basketcase said:
In your insanity do you have to pretend this Marco clown as an Israeli and part of their government or is this just you using any excuse to push your hate campaign?

BTW. You still refuse to accept Hamas statements genocidal statements and reject the that the ICJ explicitly ordered hamas to immediately release the hostages?
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How are they any different from you, shack or mandrill?
How are they different from the government?

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1753063903393907000

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1750214962075533705

https://twitter.com/i/web/status/1752017185789075567
 
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