Will NATO bomb the Houthis??

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There's obviously a lot of overlap between Socialism, Progressivism and Marxism....
And Hamas is a religious extremist group. Groups like them have a massive problem with communists. This was seen in Afghanistan and Iran.

Frank's issues come from a few things. There's an anti-Western bias ignoring the cognitive dissonance of supporting groups that are against all the western rights he supports. Throw in a little bit of human nature wanting to cheer for the underdog. Add in some racial elitism that has him showing old school conspiracy theories about Jews while also treating Arabs as children who can't be accountable for their actions or be worth listening to. Finally he's the epitome of Dunning Kruger who thinks he way smarter than he is and therefore is afraid to even consider how inconsistent his views are, both to the values he claims to support but also compared to his own posts.
 
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Sure, Mandy.

It could not possibly be because israel slaughter 25,000 people in a concentration camp. No, that is not likely.
What are you actually trying to say here, my tantrum-throwing little friend?
 

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Earp, a "marxist" is a specific type of beast. "Marxists" are not necessarily pro Israel, or vice versa.

Being anti Israel attracts people who feel that the western governments are "unethical" and "unequitable" and improper in various poorly reasoned ways. They attract those who want perfect solutions and are impatient with anyone's else's ideas - i.e. Danmand and Frankie. The "anti climate change" movement feeds on the "tree hugger" subspecies of the same personality type. That's why Greta Thunberg has extended her grift to the pro Pali movement.

The anti Israel movement also attracts many expat Arabs, perhaps more reasonably.

I despise Trump and the GOP - although much of that is the vast Third World incompetence and corruption of the current GOP. But I support what Israel is currently doing in Gaza. And I'm not a "marxist". Neither is Frankie, from what I can see.

So put the comic books away and try and move up into Grown Ups World.
And the pro Israeli crowd attracts racial supremacists and old school western colonialists who argue about exterminating vermin, children of the dark and controlling savages.

They tend to be right wingers, but its not tied to economics. But while they say they despise right wingers their actual policies are not any different.
 

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And Hamas is a religious extremist group. Groups like them have a massive problem with communists. This was seen in Afghanistan and Iran.

Frank's issues come from a few things. There's an anti-Western bias ignoring the cognitive dissonance of supporting groups that are against all the western rights he supports. Throw in a little bit of human nature wanting to cheer for the underdog. Add in some racial elitism that has him showing old school conspiracy theories about Jews while also treating Arabs as children who can't be accountable for their actions or be worth listening to. Finally he's the epitome of Dunning Kruger who thinks he way smarter than he is and therefore is afraid to even consider how inconsistent his views are, both to the values he claims to support but also compared to his own posts.
Hamas are no more religious extremists than settlers or Israeli government types like Ben Gvir. Its not about religion so much as it is about racial supremacy. Your issues come from KKK like racial supremacy, where you, like Churchill and Ben Gurion think the indigenous population are sub humans who don't deserve the same basic rights as the foreign colonial movement you support. Hamas, in all their public statements, talk about ending an illegal occupation. Israel, in all their public statements try to argue Palestinians are sub human 'terrorists'.

The racial elitism goes so far that you have become a holocaust denier, refusing international law, reports and rights.
Like a rump supporter that claims they aren't racist its just about 'immigration' you try to justify your support of genocide by trying to claim that Israel are the victims of their own 75 year old occupation.

I'm sure its no different that the KKK and nazis who thought they were morally right in their own views.
 

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So the US can't stop one of the poorest nations in the world?
The Houthis are costing the US and EU big time while China gets a free ride for supporting Palestine.

Biden's support of the Israeli genocide looks more and more stupid every day.
There is zero upside for the US and Biden's legacy is now Genocide Joe.

You can whine about the Houthis but they now have the moral upper hand.
They are trying to stop genocide.

  • “immediate risk of death by starvation, dehydration and disease as a result of the ongoing siege by Israel, the destruction of Palestinian towns, the insufficient aid being allowed through to the Palestinian population and the impossibility of distributing this limited aid while bombs fall”.
 
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So the US can't stop one of the poorest nations in the world?
The Houthis are costing the US and EU big time while China gets a free ride for supporting Palestine.

Biden's support of the Israeli genocide looks more and more stupid every day.
There is zero upside for the US and Biden's legacy is now Genocide Joe.

You can whine about the Houthis but they now have the moral upper hand.
They are trying to stop genocide.

Unfortunately, but not unexpectedly, Canada has sided with Israel and USA in fully supporting the war crimes and genocide. It will cost Canada dearly in reputation around the world.

Gone are the days of Lester Pearson, when Canada was known for peacekeeping and had a high moral reputation around the world.

I wonder how long it will be before it will be too dangerous for Canadians to travel.
 
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I wonder how long it will be before it will be too dangerous for Canadians to travel.
So you think threatening to hold the world for ransom, whether or not you believe in the cause, is a good or acceptable strategy? Interesting.
 
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So you think threatening to hold the world for ransom, whether or not you believe in the cause, is a good or acceptable strategy? Interesting.
It matters not at all what I think. I am only predicting what the effects of Canada's complicity in genocide may be.

But as you raise the issue of the Houties blockading Israel, I will tell you my understanding of the conflict.

As I understand it, the Houties were only blockading Israel, not holding the world for ransom.
When USA and UK started bombing Yemen, is it surprising that the Houties will attack US and UK ships?
My understanding is that Chinese and Russian ships are not targeted by the Houties.

Did Israel not blockade Gaza in 2015?
 
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So the US can't stop one of the poorest nations in the world?
The Houthis are costing the US and EU big time while China gets a free ride for supporting Palestine.

Biden's support of the Israeli genocide looks more and more stupid every day.
There is zero upside for the US and Biden's legacy is now Genocide Joe.

You can whine about the Houthis but they now have the moral upper hand.
They are trying to stop genocide.
The US will continue to bomb the fuck out of the Hoots until the Hooters stop doing shit. That's where it will go and how it will end.
 

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It matters not at all what I think. I am only predicting what the effects of Canada's complicity in genocide may be.

But as you raise the issue of the Houties blockading Israel, I will tell you my understanding of the conflict.

As I understand it, the Houties were only blockading Israel, not holding the world for ransom.
When USA and UK started bombing Yemen, is it surprising that the Houties will attack US and UK ships?
My understanding is that Chinese and Russian ships are not targeted by the Houties.

Did Israel not blockade Gaza in 2015?
The Hooters were shooting missiles at anything that floated and attacked a couple of Russian ships by mistake.
 
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It matters not at all what I think. I am only predicting what the effects of Canada's complicity in genocide may be.

But as you raise the issue of the Houties blockading Israel, I will tell you my understanding of the conflict.

As I understand it, the Houties were only blockading Israel, not holding the world for ransom.
When USA and UK started bombing Yemen, is it surprising that the Houties will attack US and UK ships?
My understanding is that Chinese and Russian ships are not targeted by the Houties.

Did Israel not blockade Gaza in 2015?
The houties are restricting international waterways and disrupting worldwide shipping not blockading Israel Israel has ports on the Mediterranean. If fact they just attacked a ship carrying Russian oil.

The Israeli blockade of Gaza was intend to stop the flow of arms and material used for building among other things tunnels etc rockets etc. Goods bound for Gaza could always enter through Ashdod.
 

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So far this year, HMCS Margaret Brooke is the only Royal Canadian Navy ship deployed on operations abroad. The ship’s company is supporting Operation CARIBBE, a US-led counter-narcotics operation, currently deployed in the Caribbean Basin. We do not have warships operating in this area of the world and claims of Royal Canadian Navy warships currently deployed in the Middle-East are false.
It's too bad the HMCS Margaret Brooke is in the Caribbean.

How cool would it be to have Margaret Brooke bombing these misogynistic assholes?
 

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The US will continue to bomb the fuck out of the Hoots until the Hooters stop doing shit. That's where it will go and how it will end.
So you support bombing people to support faster access to shipping containers.
You think that the US can do what Saudi Arabia couldn't do in 6 years.
You think that the US bombing yet another country will somehow lead to peace.

If you're worried about getting those amazon deliveries on time it would be far easier to just get Israel to ceasefire than try to bomb one of the poorest countries around, one that doesn't have the infrastructure that you'd normally hit with bombs.

Stupid strategy for an immoral solution to an immoral problem.
 

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And the pro Israeli crowd attracts racial supremacists and old school western colonialists who argue about exterminating vermin, children of the dark and controlling savages.

They tend to be right wingers, but its not tied to economics. But while they say they despise right wingers their actual policies are not any different.
No. No one in this thread is an "old school western colonialist". Do you hear anyone rant on about how Britain should still be running the Third World??

No one talks about "vermin" or "savages" - except perhaps with very specific reference to individual / groups of rapists or killers. Again, you badly want that sort of cartoonish stand-off that you feel you could triumph in. But no one is actually posting any of that stuff.

No one here thinks that Arabs are any less worthy than Jews or Europeans. You imagine this because it makes you feel strong and correct and powerful.
 

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So you support bombing people to support faster access to shipping containers.
You think that the US can do what Saudi Arabia couldn't do in 6 years.
You think that the US bombing yet another country will somehow lead to peace.

If you're worried about getting those amazon deliveries on time it would be far easier to just get Israel to ceasefire than try to bomb one of the poorest countries around, one that doesn't have the infrastructure that you'd normally hit with bombs.

Stupid strategy for an immoral solution to an immoral problem.
We've been through this little rant before, Frankie. This is exactly why I ignore most of your posts.

You try to have the same little posturing, silly battles again and again and you ignore what people said to you the first couple of times.
 

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Hamas are no more religious extremists than settlers or Israeli government types like Ben Gvir. Its not about religion so much as it is about racial supremacy. Your issues come from KKK like racial supremacy, where you, like Churchill and Ben Gurion think the indigenous population are sub humans who don't deserve the same basic rights as the foreign colonial movement you support. Hamas, in all their public statements, talk about ending an illegal occupation. Israel, in all their public statements try to argue Palestinians are sub human 'terrorists'.

The racial elitism goes so far that you have become a holocaust denier, refusing international law, reports and rights.
Like a rump supporter that claims they aren't racist its just about 'immigration' you try to justify your support of genocide by trying to claim that Israel are the victims of their own 75 year old occupation.

I'm sure its no different that the KKK and nazis who thought they were morally right in their own views.
Basket has never said any of things that you allege he says.

Again, you have little, sad imaginary battles in your head with people that don't match the far more sophisticated and reasonable things those people actually post on this board.
 

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No. No one in this thread is an "old school western colonialist". Do you hear anyone rant on about how Britain should still be running the Third World??

No one talks about "vermin" or "savages" - except perhaps with very specific reference to individual / groups of rapists or killers. Again, you badly want that sort of cartoonish stand-off that you feel you could triumph in. But no one is actually posting any of that stuff.

No one here thinks that Arabs are any less worthy than Jews or Europeans. You imagine this because it makes you feel strong and correct and powerful.
Everybody who has some knowledge about the parties involved understand that rabid dogs and civilian population need to be divided by a fence of some sort
well yeah the people who are thinking that "apartheid" and "occupation" can end
The plague spreading vermin need to be eradicated and the whole civilized world know it.
Varmin that need to be exterminated. Period.
 
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