Hamas murders 2 hostages for no apparent reason

Darts

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Back in the old days wars were fought mano a mano and be over in 6 days.
 

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Zionists being colonists is what all the rounds of fighting and outfits like Hamas are basically about...
Hamas wants the land of Israel back, so they can colonize it with Muslims.

Basically, they are Arab Zionists. Thanks for reinforcing my point.
 

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Somebody's been looking at to many conspiracy theories. Ever hear of Occam's Razor???
Why would they not do this?

Given everything else that they have done?
 

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Hamas says two Israeli hostages are dead, as IDF calls videos ‘psychological torture’ of captives’ families (msn.com)


Israel said Monday that Hamas is carrying out “psychological torment” as the militant group released a third video in the space of 24 hours featuring the same three hostages being held in Gaza, the last of which appears to show two of the hostages dead.

“Hamas are hit badly by the IDF and all that is left for them is to bring psychological torment to the families [of the hostages], leaving the IDF to clarify things for the families later,” Israeli Defense Minister Yoav Gallant told reporters on Monday.


The first video, released Sunday, showed clips of the three hostages – Noa Argamani, Itai Svirsky and Yossi Sharabi - speaking to a camera. It ended with a caption saying, “Tomorrow, we will inform you of their fate.”

A second video, released Monday, in an apparent attempt by Hamas to ramp up concerns, repeated the message that the fate of the three hostages would soon be made public.

The third video, released later Monday, appeared to show the dead bodies of two of the hostages, Svirsky and Sharabi. It also featured Noa Argamani saying both men had been killed by Israeli bombing.

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Yossi Sharabi, 53, was apparently shown dead in the third video released by Hamas. - Hostages and Missing Families Forum

Yossi Sharabi, 53, was apparently shown dead in the third video released by Hamas. - Hostages and Missing Families Forum© Provided by CNN
It is not clear if Argamani was speaking under duress. The video is also highly edited, with the adding of audio effects and the looping of some of her words.

IDF chief spokesperson Daniel Hagari addressed the videos in his Monday evening briefing saying Itai Svirsky had not been hit by Israeli forces as the third video claimed. He said the IDF had not struck the building where the three were being held, as the video also claimed, but had hit nearby.



“We do not strike in places where we know there may be hostages,” Hagari said. “In hindsight, we know we struck targets near to the location where they were being held. We are investigating the event and its circumstances, examining the images distributed by Hamas, alongside additional information at our disposal.”

The army spokesperson added that IDF representatives had met with the families of the three hostages and updated them on the latest information they had, adding the IDF “expressed grave concern” for the fate of two of the captives.

CNN is not airing the videos, and it is not immediately possible to verify when and where they were filmed.

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Noa Argamani was kidnapped from the Nova festival alongside her boyfriend on October 7. - Handout

Noa Argamani was kidnapped from the Nova festival alongside her boyfriend on October 7. - Handout© Provided by CNN
‘Please know that I love you very much’
Hamas and other groups took around 240 hostages into Gaza on October 7. More than 100 Israeli and foreign hostages were freed during a weeklong truce in late November, with Palestinians held in Israeli prisons being released in exchange for the Israelis.

Israel believes 132 hostages remain in Gaza, with around 107 thought to still be alive.


Argamani, 26, who was seen speaking in two of the videos, was kidnapped from the Nova festival alongside her boyfriend Avinatan Or. Argamani was seen in a video, released by Hamas at the time, being dragged away on a motorbike.

Her mother Leora has stage four brain cancer and in a video that she recorded at the end of last year, she pleaded for the safe return of her daughter, saying: “Noa, I want to tell you that if I don’t see you please know that I love you very much.”

Svirsky was kidnapped while visiting his family on Kibbutz Be’eri from his home in Tel Aviv. The 38-year-old dual Israeli-German citizen had been at the house of his mother, Orit Svirsky, a committed peace activist.

Orit was gunned down in front of him, and it later emerged that her ex-husband Rafi – Svirsky’s father – was also murdered, alongside his three dogs. Svirsky’s 97-year-old maternal grandmother, Aviva Sela, survived the attack, but her Filipina carer, Grace Cabrera, 45, was killed.


Svirsky has a degree in psychology and economics and had recently begun working as a life coach, his family told CNN. According to his family, one of the hostages released in November contacted his sister to let her know he was alive after memorizing her phone number. That was the family’s last “proof of life.”

This story has been updated to reflect the IDF naming the third hostage shown in the videos, Yossi Sharabi.

CNN’s Amir Tal and Ivana Kottasová contributed to this report.


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Why would they not do this?

Given everything else that they have done?
Because it would be idiotic.
You used to claim you've studied military history so should understand that nobody would ever just destroy their only negotiating chip.
 

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“We do not strike in places where we know there may be hostages,” Hagari said. “In hindsight, we know we struck targets near to the location where they were being held. We are investigating the event and its circumstances, examining the images distributed by Hamas, alongside additional information at our disposal.”
The IDF killed them.
If they knew where Hamas was hiding the hostages they would have tried to rescue them.
Instead they just keep bombing everything.


 

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He claims a lot of things. Studied military history. Wrote papers decades ago. Can kick anybody's ass on 20th century history, but routinely gets details wrong. Just give it a week, before the latest IDF propaganda is exposed and they move on to something else, to get their foot soldiers on TERB yapping. 😂
Perhaps we should challenge him and see if he can pass this quizz.

 

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Isn't that a war crime?

BTW: Back in the old days we fought wars mano a mano. Now the enemy doesn't even wear uniforms and they grab hostages.
Hamas don't care if it's war crime or not...they've committed war crimes since their inception....how many suicide bombings have they carried out throughout history? says a lot about that organization....
 
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Perhaps we should challenge him and see if he can pass this quizz.

As expected, it was almost impossible to distinguish between the two. One of he "wong" answers even stated something along the lines of - We knowZionists are currently saying things the same as this, but AHA, this was Goebbels. Was genuinely surprised about the racist quote from Winston Churchill, but he was a guy who was under a lot of stress...
 
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Because it would be idiotic.
You used to claim you've studied military history so should understand that nobody would ever just destroy their only negotiating chip.
No. They've got many other hostages.

The latest buzz is that Yahya lives in an underground bunker surrounded by chained Israeli hostages.
 

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Couldn't access the quiz, not a registered twit, I think. It's going to be all trick questions anyway. No real difference between the way the two groups think and speak and act...
Here's the real difference.

I assume you can get extremist zionists who say all sorts of dumb shit. But most Jews find those statements repugnant.

But most Palestinians under Hamas say similar things about Jews and learn them in school. As do most Hooties. And then act on them.
 
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Here's the real difference.

I assume you can get extremist zionists who say all sorts of dumb shit. But most Jews find those statements repugnant.

But most Palestinians under Hamas say similar things about Jews and learn them in school. As do most Hooties. And then act on them.
I don't get it. The quiz was Zionists vs. Nazis and you change to Zionists and Palestinian Jihadists. Guess it's all the same poisoned rhetoric though, right???
 

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No. They've got many other hostages.

The latest buzz is that Yahya lives in an underground bunker surrounded by chained Israeli hostages.
Wow, it took 100 days of bombing and invasion to figure that out?
Netanyahu has destroyed Gaza and killed 12,000 kids but Hamas is still around.
He's on his last legs for support and the ICJ ruling will end support for Israel forever.
Congrats.


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Here's the real difference.

I assume you can get extremist zionists who say all sorts of dumb shit. But most Jews find those statements repugnant.

But most Palestinians under Hamas say similar things about Jews and learn them in school. As do most Hooties. And then act on them.
You should take the quiz or better yet, read the quotes on the ICJ charges.
The quotes come from all of Israel's leaders.
And Israelis support them.

You really should look closely at what you are supporting.
 

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Israel killed them.
Hamas wouldn't, they are far too valuable in negotiations.
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I called for the immediate and unconditional release of all hostages taken by Hamas and other terror organisations. There can be no justification for the holding of any hostages, and in particular the egregious breach of fundamental principles of humanity through the taking and continued holding of children. Hostages cannot be treated as human shields or bargaining chips.
 
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