Will NATO bomb the Houthis??

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China also operates mostly Russian equipment or copies of (license produced) versions of the same. Recently, it was found that apparently due to corruption, their ballistic missiles were filled with water, instead of rocket fuel. LOL.

IMO they would fail similarly to the Russians along with the fact that they are not a very combat experienced army. Their troop morale is nothing to write home about either. However all that said, they are still a very large army, from a very large country, with massive financial and natural resources.

I am not sure how much shock and awe will really have an impact, or if that even is feasible with countries like Russia and China. Shock and awe is possible only when you have air superiority, which the US had with Iraq. However with the massive airforces of China and Russia, along with multi-layered air defences, long range radars, long range SAMs, satellites and their own GPS systems, ballistic missiles that can reach every corner of the globe etc., you'd have to press massive military assets against them. That is very cost prohibitive. So even if the US is able to establish air superiority, I think they will only be able to do so with massive losses, to the point shock and awe will not be feasible. Anyway, I am not a military analyst, but this is my reasoning.
I'm not sure what your point is here. Russia has been held to a standoff by the Ukraine. The Russian strategy seems to have devolved into a long war of attrition that they hope their leader and economy can stagger through. I don't see how Russia emerges strong from this senseless war even if they conquer the Ukraine or get favorable terms in a peace negotiation.

If U.S. and NATO air power and missile firepower were engaged, it would seem certain that Russia would hightail it back to Russia.

If you jump to China, you have to look objectively at the Taiwan Strait where any conflict with China if ever is likely to occur. Without trying to be glib, it would appear a Chinese amphibious invasion across the strait would be like "shooting ducks in a barrel" for U.S. and Taiwan naval and air power.

No one is going to get into a land war with China which would favor their numbers in boots on the ground. This also ignores the fact that the Chinese economy is built as an export machine with the rest of the world. China doesn't have a truly diversified and integrated economy.
 

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I'm not sure what your point is here. Russia has been held to a standoff by the Ukraine. The Russian strategy seems to have devolved into a long war of attrition that they hope their leader and economy can stagger through. I don't see how Russia emerges strong from this senseless war even if they conquer the Ukraine or get favorable terms in a peace negotiation.

If U.S. and NATO air power and missile firepower were engaged, it would seem certain that Russia would hightail it back to Russia.

If you jump to China, you have to look objectively at the Taiwan Strait where any conflict with China if ever is likely to occur. Without trying to be glib, it would appear a Chinese amphibious invasion across the strait would be like "shooting ducks in a barrel" for U.S. and Taiwan naval and air power.

No one is going to get into a land war with China which would favor their numbers in boots on the ground. This also ignores the fact that the Chinese economy is built as an export machine with the rest of the world. China doesn't have a truly diversified and integrated economy.
There are actually several YT videos which play through the Chinese amphibious assault on Taiwan. None of those I watched a while back factored in that the PLA might be a toothless tiger due to corruption even worse than Russia.
 

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China also operates mostly Russian equipment or copies of (license produced) versions of the same. Recently, it was found that apparently due to corruption, their ballistic missiles were filled with water, instead of rocket fuel. LOL.

IMO they would fail similarly to the Russians along with the fact that they are not a very combat experienced army. Their troop morale is nothing to write home about either. However all that said, they are still a very large army, from a very large country, with massive financial and natural resources.

I am not sure how much shock and awe will really have an impact, or if that even is feasible with countries like Russia and China. Shock and awe is possible only when you have air superiority, which the US had with Iraq. However with the massive airforces of China and Russia, along with multi-layered air defences, long range radars, long range SAMs, satellites and their own GPS systems, ballistic missiles that can reach every corner of the globe etc., you'd have to press massive military assets against them. That is very cost prohibitive. So even if the US is able to establish air superiority, I think they will only be able to do so with massive losses, to the point shock and awe will not be feasible. Anyway, I am not a military analyst, but this is my reasoning.

China would stand a better chance vs the US, not a good chance, or pretty much any chance. Pretty much 0 chance, but as a rounding error to 0, it's not quite as close to 0 as Russia is.
They have all the problems of Russia, but some of their equipment is newer and they are large.

Also there is a question about their ballistic missiles being filled with water, as noted by one western commentator who is pretty solid. Doesn't seem likely with solid fuel missiles and liquid fuel missiles at least the Chinese and Russian ones can't be kept fueled because the liquid is corrosive as fuck, so normally they would be empty. Maybe it was a reference to the fuel storage systems or something else, but IIRC the sources are anonymous and details are sparse. Quite frankly with both Chinese and Russian nukes, I am surprised the copper wiring hasn't been extracted for sale on the African American market, fuck that happens with crackheads here in North America stealing wire and ripping catalytic converters off of cars. Also the Russian military and the Soviet industry has a long tradition of stealing everything that isn't nailed down for resale. Chinese issues have to be just as bad.
More likely the story that the doors of the silos won't open are probably true, China has massive build quality problems and there is no reason to expect better with the military, if not worse. One speculation is that filled with water might mean the silos and it's just the message got garbled along the way. There is also a Chinese idem something about fill water which could mean not literally water.

Also you started off strong shitting on the Chinese military but then went off when suggesting the US "if" it dominates the skys over China and Russia. It wouldn't even be close. It would be a replay of the Allies over Iraq again.

China has such problems and we have seen with Russia how bad ex communist regimes who haven't really moved on perform that at this point I think Kpop Korea could hold off Best Korea and West Taiwan and start winning. They might... might struggle a bit if the entire PLA lined up at the border at the start. However I have utterly no faith in their ability to perform without nukes.
 
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There are actually several YT videos which play through the Chinese amphibious assault on Taiwan. None of those I watched a while back factored in that the PLA might be a toothless tiger due to corruption even worse than Russia.
When I look at pink Bentleys in North York I believe their corruption is going strong :)
 

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If you jump to China, you have to look objectively at the Taiwan Strait where any conflict with China if ever is likely to occur. Without trying to be glib, it would appear a Chinese amphibious invasion across the strait would be like "shooting ducks in a barrel" for U.S. and Taiwan naval and air power.

No one is going to get into a land war with China which would favor their numbers in boots on the ground. This also ignores the fact that the Chinese economy is built as an export machine with the rest of the world. China doesn't have a truly diversified and integrated economy.
It's worse then that, Taiwan has islands off the coast of West Taiwan and in the straits, if those are taken out first, reserves get mobilized, if not... your taking shots from the front and I assume the back.

Nobody is going into a land war vs China, just not worth the effort, but their army is big, but it isn't THAT big and their male population has similar problems to ours. Americans are fat and out of shape, Chinese kids are chubby out of shape and raised as even more spoiled "little emperors" than we are and then you toss in the fieal piety of the only sons, and a weak social insurance system that won't take care of the parents if they die.., They don't make them like they used to. If there was a ground invasion I doubt there would be a successful rising of the masses.
Also the Chinese population is only 4 times the US and that doesn't take into account a drastically lower fertility rate if you don't trust official numbers and why would you.
 
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Of course you can't see why.
Maybe if the Hooties didn't attack western shipping, I might be more respectful about them and called the "Mister Hooties" instead.
 

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Maybe if the Hooties didn't attack western shipping, I might be more respectful about them and called the "Mister Hooties" instead.
Yeah why be respectful about them? They anre nothing but khat chewing enemies of civilization as we know it.
 

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Maybe if the Hooties didn't attack western shipping, I might be more respectful about them and called the "Mister Hooties" instead.
If I am not mistaken, the Houties only blockaded ships going to Israel, and did not kill anybody.

Is that worse than Israel blockading Gaza and killing people on ships trying to bring supplies to Gaza?
 

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You really can't understand sarcasm?
LOL. If you're as smart as you claim to be, you would know sarcasm does not translate well on line. Are you now telling us that you're so stupid so as not to understand this?

You sound like trump trying to walk back statements that he made and meant at the time he said them. Like when he tried to say that he wasn't serious about that statement about swallowing bleach (or whatever it was) to get rid of a covid infection. Are you saying that you believed him?

You called them "lesser humans". Own it.
 
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